it basically comes down to trump is giuliani and giuliani is trump in. >> yeah, i don't think the law or the house is going to be quite so aligned in saying that even if president trump didn't know what rudy giuliani was doing that they would hold him accountable. but nonetheless the sole reason rudy giuliani is engaging in these transactions is for the benefit of president trump. and if you look at what bill taylor said today, he puts president trump squarely in the middle of some of those conversations of asking president zelensky of ukraine to put him in a box, to make an announcement about investigations. and so, yes, rudy giuliani is acting as his agent in traveling, but president trump is very much involved according to bill taylor. >> barbara mcquade gets tonight's last word. thank you both for joining our discussion tonight. really appreciate it. tonight, a public servant for half a century, a veteran turned veteran diplomat, plainly