behind the curtain. >> and of course, miikka, we're reaching out to those people, pompeo, mulvaney and bolton. mulvaney's lawyer has said this ruling does not affect whether he'll testify. this is robert driscoll, he's the attorney acting for white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. he says mick will continue to follow the instruction of the president based on the doj office of legal counsel opinion with respect to the house subpoena. so anybody hoping that everybody who has been resisting these congressional subpoenas will suddenly cave as a result of tonight's ruling is going to have to wait a little longer. >> yeah, that's right. this opinion is midstream. usually when you have a district court ruling the losing party will run immediately to the appellate court and everything's going to be on pause until the appellate court rules. to come back to your initial question of what this means in the constitutional structure, what judge jackson is saying is congress is the branch that is constitutionally designated to do oversight of the executive