and then on that side there were all these commanders, you would just take american money, not push the footers supplies to their troops, i don't blame the troops there at all for what happened, they were under supplied and under fed. the elites made out, here it is not surprising to me at all, when push came to shove they fled and what happened in afghanistan happened. >> the news media attached great respects sometimes awe and hopes, in various succession of commanders, in these military operations. in both afghanistan and iraq at different times, general petraeus comes to mind. was there ever a command change, or a tactical change in afghanistan, after you served their? that made you think, oh this may work? >> no, i think that this is been inevitable from the very beginning, and i think it was just, a systematic institutional lie in place, that i think perpetuated, just