what are the risks for civil perjury in testimony like this? >> well, there are significant risks. and again, particularly where you have a high ranking government official, courts are not going to give mcgahn monetary sanctions -- we had -- civil case. but here, where president trump has shown himself willing to say that we all know or false. i mean, it's not like, it's ambiguous. and in perjury cases it has to be very clear that the will -- but donald trump has made a career out of that. including while he was president. so, it's dangerous, it's treacherous. so it'll be interesting to see what happens. >> ted neutrons, we have a space reserved for you the day you questioned donald trump under oath. in that deposition. please come back.