under 10%. so it doesn't take that many people to swing a vote. so if people don't participate at any level because they're turned off by the vitriol you get even less participation and a result a lot of people didn't choose, and i think that's very sad for democracy and for the kids, frankly. the kids deserve better. >> you're right. and thanks for sticking it out and for bringing this to our attention because everybody can actually fix this in every town across america tomorrow. so let's do that. erika, thanks very much for being with us. joining s now is democratic congresswoman brenda lawrence of michigan, cochair of the democratic women's committee. representative, lawrence, good to see you. thanks for taking time to be with us tonight. i have to say on one hand i'm listening to erika and thinking i'm glad there are people like her around, but on the other side when she says fewer than 10% show up for these meetings, we now need more than ever for people to be politically engaged. and it has to start at things