bureau chief for the washington post. peter, you heard kieran and me talking about this, you can't figure out what the short game is, before you figure out what vladimir putin's long game is. he sends different surges depending on who is talking to, he says different messages to the russian people, to the international community he has his beef about nato expansion, he also talks about rebuilding the russian empire. including going so far to say as to say that russian ukraine isn't really a country, it doesn't really have a real history as an independent country. this is absolutely not true, but it's resonating with some people >> yes, i think vladimir putin is not just at war with ukraine, with the international community, but with history. he is -- in 1991. he is not going to do it all in one grab. but, if he can reverse the loss of ukraine, which isn't it historic residents in russia.