Difficult wind all day and that -- then the wind stops. it's that kind of very different sensation in what seems to be the same place. >> the day before senator tommy tuberville of alabama had gone to the trial and said it was the most depressing building he'd eever been in and heaped scorn on it and i was -- i take that man's statements with a grain of salt, but it was perfectly nice. it was a good, highly functioning municipal building. it kind of struck me how much a certain class of americans are used to very elite spaces and they're not used to public spaces, municipal spaces, bureaucratic spaces, playly if you're poor you have to spend a lot of time in those kinds of spaces. elite people, people with power and money, they tend to be in grandeur. >> donald trump in that setting, both when he's walking past you -- you know, he walks in and out -- and you kind of see him for the first time. this is the first time i've ever