concerned that the house of representatives as an institution is going to be weakened by the extremists who are now part of the republican leadership given what's kevin mccarthy may or may not have done to get this gavel? >> absolutely i think he started out with around 21 holdouts and he negotiated one thing after another to get their buy in i'm really concerned about whether the rules package will make it almost ungovernable. for instance, he may have made it very easy to have himself removed from the speakership by a very small group of people who represent, as you know, a tiny minority of our constituencies. so that's the kind of thing that kid throws into chaos. i'm concerned if he may have put language in the rules package regarding the debt limit. we have not seen this rules package in detail yet.