withstand is. >> you just put your finger on the basic problem here. they can put more sanctions on russia. they can try to do things to totally cut russia off, like semiconductors, the inputs that you need for smartphones or aircrafts. that requires a lot of multilateral -- that is part of what these consultations in europe and other countries around the world are about. making sure that you can lineup credible pressures on the sanction front. the problem, amen, is that that may not be enough. why vladimir putin has been on a 20-year trajectory of becoming more aggressive. he's been on a trajectory of invading a part of georgia. he didn't want to nato, as you said, he invaded a piece of ukraine in 2014. and so the problem here is that it's court to putin's project to push back against the west to prevent the democracy ukraine. and he just may care about this