about handing over the election. what do you think trump world is thinking and feeling knowing that in trump world people are talking and thinking? >> there are so many so close to trump that are resisting and obstructing this investigation, they know the more people talk, the worse it's going to be for them. when it comes to mark meadows, this is one of those trust but verify situations. it wouldn't shock me if they do a back and forth with the committee and end up on opposite sides. it wouldn't shock me if it turns out meadows isn't being as corporative as he would like to be and this is a legal tactic without actually compiling. we'll see how that plays out. at the end of the day, the more that comes out, the more people are testifying and cooperating, the worse it will be for donald trump. i mean, we already know innocent people don't act like the way that donald trump and steve bannon and jeffrey clark are acting right now. if you have nothing to hide, you cooperate. the fact that anybody would try to obstruct an investigation