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are -- a good friends. you understand it's not absolute. i understood the great progressive writer was asked in a disappointing fashion, by an acolyte, why he liked thomas jefferson. clearly, i suppose because of it ownership of slaves. and stone said, because history isn't melodrama. it's tragedy. which means, to me, that in melodrama, every villain is perfectly villainous, every hero is perfectly virtuous. but life in history, which has recorded life, isn't like that. we have to figure out a way to understand each other, the book is an attempt to do that, all the films were an attempt to do that. and nothing is ever achieved if you run away and put your head in the sand and don't confront the really tough stuff. >> it's so brilliant. it's so brilliantly said. no one is perfectly good unknown is perfectly evil, but it seems there is a faction in this country that is demanding that, for instance, the founding fathers be portrayed is perfectly good. otherwise, they won't allow

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