Man that went into the cocoon as a cheesy star, the nearly want to be dictator. The New York Times is out with new reporting on the effects on the efforts by donald trump and advisors to use the authority of the federal government to seize Voting Machines after the 2020 election. And it reveals that trump was far more involved than previously known. The times reports six weeks after election day with the hold on power slipping, donald trump directed his lawyer Rudolph Giuliani if it could legally take control of Voting Machines in key states. They said giuliani called the acting Department Secretary that said he lacked the authority to audit or impound the machines. Its a reminder trumps attempted coup only failed because of hand full of Government Officials who were willing to put their foot down. And this was not some idea. It was actually put in writing. The plan to seize the machines was the subject of several draft executive orders. One of which politico obtained and while the orders were never enacted, it Cast A Dark Shadow over the democratic process. The idea originated with the retired army colonel and trump advisor who is also famous for his conspiracy driven power point presentation. Which recommend that trump declare a National Security emergency. Worst yet, he was collaborating on the plan to seize Voting Machines with trumps 22day National Security advisor, admitted felon, Qanon Devotee and disgraced Lieutenant GeneralMichael Flynn and trump not only embraced the idea, he pitched it far and wide. According to the times he proposed using local Law Enforcement to seize Voting Machines in michigan and pennsylvania but State Lawmakers refused. He pitched the Justice Department but even trumps hired gone, attorney general william bar refused. He considered using the military but members of his team advised against it. And finally, trump pitched the department of Homeland Security but they also said no. Its another indication of how close we came to a constitutional crisis and yet, republicans have been notably silent about the news. Joining me now is Jill Winebanks, former watergate prosecutor and cohost of The Sisters In Law Podcast what is one year old. Happy anniversary and Michael Steele,msnbc political analyst. One of the things that stood out to me is the plan to seize Voting Machines was even too bananas for rudy giuliani. He said you cant use the military that way. As somebody involved in the investigation of richard nixon, give me your perspective on this alleged plan to try to seize american Voting Machines. To me, and also, remember, i worked in the pentagon so im familiar with the limitations and using the military for any civilian purposes. This was really wrong. It was wrong on every level, and its all part of what i would call an over arching conspiracy. This is a plot to interfere with congress doing the electoral vote confirmation but its a wide spread conspiracy to overturn the election and to overturn the votes of millions of voters. Thats what is so terrible about this. And it goes to not just the pentagon. He tried to get the Department Of Justice. He tried to get department of Homeland Security. He tried to get states. He made phone calls to georgia. He had other people calling and visiting georgia. He had fake electoral slates of electors. That is outrageous and all of that put together shows the intent of the i hope you cant hear my background noise. My doorbell. We love dogs on the show. Theyre always welcome to be on, as well. Anyway, it is a very big conspiracy and all this complaint about is there proof of president trumps intent . Put this together and im sorry, but there is more than enough circumstantial evidence of his intent. Indeed. We dont need him anymore. It is his intent to commit a crime. You know, and it is sort of stunning even though im not surprised anymore Michael Steele that the Republican Party at large is eye quiet, very silent. They are banging, you know, their hands on the table claiming that democrats want to take federal control over State Elections and yet, here you have the president of the United States wanting to take the ultimate federal control, literally take Voting Machines out of his desperation to not be seen to have lost an election and try to cling to power like a sort of tin pot dictator. What do you think it would take to get every republican other than liz cheney and kinzinger to actually have some outrage about this . Oh, i think we need to stop wasting time on that front. I really think that, you know, in the media certainly in the political space sitting around waiting for Republican Party to be enlightened and understand exactly what jill just laid out from both a political, as well as a legal and governmental perspective is just like waiting. Youre just sitting at the Bus Stop Waiting and the bus never shows up, right . So the reality of it is now the question falls back on the American People. Falls back on you, me, and others to decide what are we going to do about this . How are we going to hold this former leadership accountable for the actions that they are thats now being revealed to us that they engaged in to over throw our government, to take control of our electoral process to the extent they could to cheat. They are cheaters. They are liars. And the more were honest about that and less were concerned we are about how republicans feel about it, the better off this country is going to be and the stronger attitudes were going to have about dealing with this because let me tell you, folks, this is a warmup. You now see whats coming. Theyre telegraphing to you what is coming next. You give us the power back, were putting you in jail. You give us the power back, were going to take control of those systems of government that we failed to take control of the last time and get it right for us the next time. Yeah, i mean, just going through here. The hill, silent, minority leader kevin mccarthy, silent, steve scalise, silent. Elise stefanik of new york, just not going to talk about it because they clearly Jill Winebanks want to take advantage of what donald trump created for themselves and should they be able to seize power. You lived through the nixon era his Mental Health was questioned, whether he was drinking and what he was doing spiraling towards the end. Some of these stories are wild. The Washington Post reporting when some of the records, some of the white house records were turned over to the national archives, some of them were ripped in little pieces. Like ripped in little shreds and weve seen that he would have this habit. He didnt like someone to rip the pieces up and turn them up and in some cases they had to take the torn up records and put them back together and paste them back together. You had donald trump giving a Million Dollars to his former Chief Of Staff mark meadows nonprofit after the creation of a january 6th panel. And you have to remember that meadows wrote a book, right, the taxdeductible seven Figure Contributions of the conservative partnership institute. It was to meadows who later repudiated in his book, which sounds like trying to influence him. Your thoughts, jill . Well, i think youve laid out a good case for obstruction of a witness and tampering with a witness, which is what that does sound like. All of these conducts fall together and i think its time for the announcement of a Special Grand Jury. It would assure the American People that the Department Of Justice is actually doing something without violating the grand jurys secrecy. All you have to do is appoint as there was in watergate going back to that era, there was a Special Grand Jury appointed to address only the investigation of the crimes of watergate and taking seriously crimes committed by, at that time, still the sitting president and all of his colleagues and i think people are really fed up getting really worried, the threats issued by donald trump at the last rally and the promise of pardons is terrifying to me. What does it matter even if justice were to go ahead and find crimes and indict people if donald trump wins, hes already said ill violate the pardons. We have to make sure he doesnt get into a position. You said it. This is a forewarning, michael said maybe this is just telling us if you dont stop us now, were going to learn from our past mistakes, okay, we didnt succeed and to the extent any republicans had the courage to say anything, they said well, its a good thing we didnt have people in place that didnt follow his instructions. No, thats not good enough for a democracy. We need to not be able to rely on someone standing up to the president and saying no. Thats a good thing. But its not enough. We need a president who will not make those Pressure Points to make our elections unfair. Because we wont have anybody standing up next time. All of the incentives here michael are to wait for trump to come back and wipe it away. Wipe the January 6th Committee away. Wipe the crimes away. We have the head of the oath keepers. Hell take the fifth. There is no incentive at this point to cooperate with investigating this crime against the country because essentially, hes Telegraphing Trump that i can wipe it away, just put me back in power which is an incentive to cooperate with them. Not with justice. Yeah, this whole process has been about how maga world is incentivize to turn out and keep their mouth shot and how theyre incentivize not to cooperate and the manipulation you see certainly at the rally in texas this past weekend is this idea that what im going to do for you, you give me the power, this is what im going to do for you. The other side of that, though, and i think we need to be keen about this is not so much trump becoming the next president of the United States in 2024, its if he decides not to, who is going to be maga like like him . Who is going to be the closest to him . Desantis or someone else . This is the narrative you have to understand because the pressure now is not coming so much from trump, its going to come from the maga base that has an expectation of how they will corrupt the system or how they think theyre fixing the system to make it better for themselves and their maga world. So i think we need to think broadly about what we see here as well as specifically with respect to trump. Indeed and how they can rule this country regardless of what the majority wants if they get back into power. Thats what we need to think about. Our democracy is definitely in peril. Thank you both very much. Up next on the reidout, the game changer. Covid vaccines could be available for Young Children by the end of the month. The Surgeon General of the United States joins me next. Plus a reidout exclusive, marlin joins me in the first interview since federal charges have been announced against her. Its black History Month. Can we still say that without hurting anyones feelings . 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You can practically hear the sighs of relief by the parents that felt left behind. Those tethered to a covid limbo that only worsened under omicron as shuttered daycares, Child Care Disruptions and hospitalizations have driven them to the breaking point. 70 of americans say its time to accept covid and move on. For those who couldnt move on, relief may becoming. Still, questions remain. Joining me is u. S. Surgeon general and this is great. This is actually good news. General, talk to us about the safety of these vaccines for children 6 months and up because a lot of parents have been stuck because their child is too young to get vaccinated. Theyre vaccinated but stuck. What can you tell parents who are still a little nervous . Theyre fine with getting the vaccine for themselves but still nervous about giving it to a baby or toddler. Well, joy, i would certainly understand parents who have questions about the possibility of a vaccine for kids under 5 or for any age of children. As parents, our job first and foremost is to protect the well being of our kids. To all parents, if you have questions, thats okay. Our job is to help you get the questions answered. I have a daughter that just turned 4. My wife and i have been eagerly awaiting the day she can get vaccinated and asks when she can get vaccinated like her brother. This might bring us one step closer to the day. Here is what is going to happen. The fda is going to do a careful and thorough analysis of the data with an intent to answer two critical questions. Is this vaccine safe for kids under 5 and effective . They will have an Advisory Group that meets publicly to talk about that. The data will also be made publicly available because this will be a transparent process and only then will they opine on the it after which the cdc will weigh in. Several steps in the process. The reason the steps exist is to make sure whatever decision is rendered is when the parents can feel absolutely confident about it. To make parents feel confident, it needs to probably not be an emergency authorization. Is this going to be a full on authorization, not an emergency . Joy, the fda will consider that. Although, its likely they will also look at the emergency use authorization. Thats the approach thats been taken for other vaccines including vaccines for kids older age groups, 5 to 11 and the adolecent age group. The Safety Profile has remained quite strong and the effectiveness is great. Joy, in the last few weeks for example, weve seen data from the cdc about our experience with omicron that has showed that if you are vaccinated and boosted, your chances of not only making it through but avoiding hospitalizations and death are dramatically higher compared to those unvaccinated and i anticipate again if the fda considers this and authorizes this vaccine it will be because its safe and effective. Let me go through some numbers. I mentioned 70 of americans want to move on from covid. 47 of democrats want to move on. Fully vaccinated in this country and thats for age 5 to 11. Its only 28. 1 . Only 18. 8 of children have gotten one dose for the Kaiser Family foundation. Even though 74. 2 of all u. S. Adults are fully vaccinated and the places where its the lowest are places in the south and also in republican states. Are we going to get to the point where were going to have to add covid vaccines to the m