and saying if you are not meeting the threshold? what do you say to that, there is this mark that you have at this point. >> i really challenge that. i don't think that is the case. this is such an unusual cycle. i think we have seen someone like pete buttigieg rise from the candidate we didn't take as seriously to now one of the top-tier candidates. you can't rule out someone like cory booker, a serious candidate, who does not have the millions of dollars to get on stage like tom steyer. and that's why we're asking the dnc to reevaluate the rules and go back to what they originally were, polling or the donor threshold. >> there were no complaints about these rules when first announced. your reaction to get things changed midstream? >> to the credit of the dnc, chairman perez and everyone,