that he is going to be on their side. but i think that as this plays out, as social media continues to pick this up, as our journalists continue to write about this, i think it can be detrimental and it can depress african-american turnout for joe biden. look, i think he needs to show evolution. you're right, rick, that he has a vast experience, but he has to show evolution on his policy stances, and that includes having a proactive african-american policy agenda. he is not the only candidate running, and there are other candidates that do have plans for the african-american community and for african-american empowerment, economic empowerment, educational achievement. he needs to step it up. >> yeah. >> can i just say one thing about that, alex? >> sure. >> that's absolutely correct. and so, here's the binary. the binary is, is there a better candidate for an african-american progressive achievement, success, equality in education and our judicial