you'd have to ask rudy. i just don't know. >> okay, so, they had dinner at the white house. that same month, they meet with donald junior. do you buy that the president doesn't know who these people are? >> the president has a long tradition of giving that answer whenever he's confronted with questions about people who can be embarrassing to him. he did it with felix seder. he's done it with many other people over the years. when confronted about his associations that are raised questions, his first default is i barely know the guy. i wouldn't know him if he walked in the room. look, the really intriguing question to me when you look at the totally of this is rudy giuliani's flying all over the world. he's flying to madrid, to paris. he's conducting this worldwide investigation on behalf of the president. who's paying for all that?