thought with intent to deceive, when you sign that you usually sign under penalty of perjury. >> it's one thing, right, to have the conversations with "forbes" magazine. obviously, the president was already a figure, incredibly astute and aware of his net worth, always talking about it, not only in instances like this, but late night television. why can't trump say this was my accountant. he was the one filing the papers, he was the onal plying for these loans. he was the one inflating my net worth or deflating my net worth, considering what you're talking about. why not that? >> well, first of all, at the end of the day, when you sign a document like your tax return, you're responsible for it, even if it was prepared by somebody else. and donald trump, as i broke the sorry moment five years ago,