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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes July 25, 2014

Gubernatorial candidate throws a bombshell accusation at Chris Christie. Amidst this weeks obamacare chaos obamacare is made of people ahh weve got a Supreme Court shocker that everyone else missed. All in starts right now. Good evening, from new york. Im chris hayes. Tensions are enormously high in the west bank at this moment. As the Israeli Palestinian conflict seems headed toward an even greater escalation. These scenes you are seeing are thousands of palestinians marching in whats being described by israeli radio as the largest such protest in a decade. They started in ramallah in the west bank which falls under the control of the Palestinian Authority and marched toward jerusalem which is under israeli roll. Until now, the Palestine Authority has largely suppressed street protests like what youre seeing. Two protesters were already killed today. The crowds have marched on all the way to the checkpoint between the west bank and jerusalem. A checkpoint heavily manned by Israeli Defense forces and right now there are reports of gunfire and 10,000 protesters clashing with Israeli Defense forces. Joining me now by phone from ramallah, west bank, dr. Mustafa bargudi. Dr. Barghouti, can you tell me whats happening there this evening . We had a peaceful march, about 20,000, or maybe 25,000 people participated in it. We marched peacefully to protest against the assassination and massacre in gaza which has taken 800 the lives of 800 people already. And we marched for freedom. It was a peaceful march, and we were encountered by israeli army and military which started shooting highvelocity bullets at people. We have up until this moment 260 injuries. Six of them are very seriously injured. One died, unfortunately. One was killed by the israeli army. And there are several people who lost their life. Many have bullets in their legs and their chest and their abdomens. Ive just been to the hospital to see the injured people, and what i can tell you is that there is no justification whatsoever for this israeli army violence against the peaceful march. But the whole west bank is boiling, and the main reason is whats happenings in gaza and the fact that israel is blocking us from reaching jerusalem is what is considered the holiest night. Dr. Barghouti, youve long been a very outspoken proponent of nonviolent resistance to occupation. Are you confident that this can remain nonviolent given just what you just said . That the west bank is boiling, tensions are incredibly high, were seeing pictures of fireworks and fires, et cetera. Do you worry about this spiraling into something very violent and very deadly for both sides . Of course i worry. The main reason for this escalation is the fact we are talking about 800 people massacred in gaza. Mostly children and women. And 5,300 injured. 90 of children, women, civilians. You know, ive advocated nonviolence all my life, and each time i meet friends from the west, they will tell me we would like to see you march with thousands of people. Your demonstrations are not that big. Today that dream happened. It was like Martin Luther kings march, or gandhi march. And we had more than 25,000 people marching. Women, men, elderly people, even some children, and it was so peaceful. Then we were encountered with violence by the israeli army. I think the Israeli Government is losing its mind completely because tomorrow, on friday, you will see the whole west bank demonstrating. It is like a full uprising now. Now and that can be stopped only if this massacre in gaza is stopped. Youre using the english word, uprising. The word palestinians has used for that. Theres been much talk for a long time about the possibility of another intifada. Are we seeing the beginning of a third intifada tonight . Of course, it has started, but when you see intifada, people think of military action. That was the case, unfortunately, in the second intifada. Im talking about something similar to the first intifada which was totally popular, mostly unviolent. I hope we can keep it in such a manner, because we dont have what to defend ourselves with and believe a popular nonviolent approach would be more effective. Of course, what complicates the situation is whats happening in gaza and the massacres that are taking place. Today the israeli army, you know, 44 of that small little area which is called gaza, that is only 140 square miles, with 1. 8 Million People in it, 44 has been announced by the israeli army as nonsafe. People who were forced out of their homes by shelling the homes. Now the people are stuck in a very small area and are going to shelters which are schools, and today one of the honor roll schools was hit by the israeli army and killed people in it and injured 160 people in one hit. Theres no place for people that is safe in gaza and makes people very angry and makes people boil with anger. Dr. Mustafa barghouti on the phone from ramallah in the west bank amidst large street demonstrations at this moment. Thank you very much. Two things i should say about what dr. Barghouti said. The Israeli Government, of course, contends theyre takes all possible precautions, extraordinary precaution if you listen to the Israeli Defense forces. I think he said the majority of the casualties, the dead in gaza are women and children. The majority are not women and children. Women and children constitute a large number. By some figures, the majorities are civilians, however, theres contestation over the men who died there, whether theyre militants or civilians. The protests come at the end of another bloody day in gaza which saw the Palestinian Death toll rise well past 700. Israel has said its trying to avoid civilian casualties by warning palestinians to evacuate before targeting their neighborhoods. Thats exactly what the military said it did in its Northern City of beit hanoun, warning them to evacuate earlier this week ahead of an advance on hamas targets. As a u. N. School sheltering gazans was starting to evacuate today, the school took a direct hit. At least 16 people were killed. We watched the first casualties arrive at the local hospital, child after bloody child. This boy reeling in shock as doctors lost the battle to save a member of his family. Israeli military says it was not targeting the school building. They do acknowledge they were firing mortars in the area. Israel also suggests it could have been a hamas rocket gone astray that struck the school. The u. N. Says it cant definitively say who was responsible, they dont agree on what exactly happened in the runup to the strike. A spokesman for the Israeli Military told reporters it gave advanced warning of the operations in beit hanoun, appeal to the u. N. And red cross on monday to evacuate the school. The United Nations relief and works agency, the group that runs the school and frankly much of Civil Society inside gaza says the Israeli Military actually stood in the way of attempts to evacuate. A spokesman for the agency tweeted over the course of the day, unrwa tried to coordinate with the israeli army a window for the civilians to leave and it was never granted. United nations says at least 72 of its facilities in gaza including offices, schools, and hospitals have been damaged in the fighting and this is the third time a school sheltering refugees has come under attack. The brutal irony is the schools are among the only places the people of gaza can go for safety. Over 170,000 of them staying in improvised School Shelters according to the u. N. Agency that runs them. Israel has noted the fact that the same agency has found hamas rockets in two of its abandoned schools just in the past week. And accuses hamas of using facilities to store munitions. Relations between the United Nations and israel have long been fraught but seemed to have hit a new low in light of todays attack. With the United States providing the only dissenting vote. The reaction to the u. N. Vote from israeli Justice Minister tzipi livni sums it up, i have two words for you, get lost. Standing behind secretary of state john kerry in cairo today, u. N. Secretary general had strong words before both sides. Its morally wrong to kill your own people. Whole world has been watching, is watching with great concern. You must stop fighting. Well, chris, over the course of the past several week tensions have been building up obviously following the killing of three israeli teenagers, followed by the killing of a palestinian teenager. In addition to whats happening here in gaza, there has been a growing anger among the palestinian population which endures so much under israeli population in the west bank. All of these tensions came to a boil as a result of what is happening in gaza and lack of ceasefire and lack of outrage in the International Community that there isnt enough of an effort to stop it. The protest grew in number, grew in strength. As we saw, it led to clashes with the Israeli Military that ultimately led to fatalities. The concern, i think, for both israeli officials and the Palestinian Authority is that this could spiral into more violence on friday. It is a holy day. Thousands of people attend friday prayers in East Jerusalem. So you can expect it to be another flashpoint of confrontation between the Israeli Military, which puts a lot of restrictions on the mobility of palestinians into the holy sites of East Jerusalem and the palestinians who have been angered by what is happening here on the ground in gaza and elsewhere, chris. People are using the phrase at the margins, no one is officially calling it this, i should be clear, a third intifada. Explain the significance of that. Well, if in fact there is a third uprising, it would have a tremendous significance because of a few reasons. One, the last Palestinian Uprising took place in about 2001. It lasted for several years. It was a very violent period that really affected both the israeli Political Landscape as well as the palestinian Political Landscape. But more, i think, of a concern for humanitarian reasons would be that a violent Palestinian Uprising, a confrontational one, would certainly bring about more loss of life, more strict israeli measures on the west bank, as weve seen in the past. There is always a disproportionate number of palestinians killed as a result of the israeli measures taken in the west bank. So i think there is the concern that a third Palestinian Uprising could bring about the kind of violence we saw in 2001 and in the late 80s when the first Palestinian Uprising broke. But i think the underlying concern here among Many International observers is that this status quo has to change in this part of the world. The Israeli Palestinian conflict. A lot of political analysts and others are saying it is time for a new paradigm shift in trying to solve this problem. That the way this Peace Process has been unfolding for the past 20 years is not producing the desired results for either state. For the israeli state its not getting their people or the palestinian people, their rights or selfdetermination. What have we learned about the latest in gaza, particularly what appears to be artillery shelling of a u. N. Run school that was serving as a shelter . Well, weve heard from u. N. Officials who have not pointed the finger directly at the israelis, but have hinted that it is the israelis for a few reasons. One, there was intense fighting taking place there. The style and the type of the shelling was very consistent with what they believe to be israeli shelling of the area. And in addition to that, theyve also blamed israel because of the fact that all the u. N. Facilities in gaza, their gps has been given to the Israeli Military so there should not be shelling taking place around u. N. Schools or shelters. The Israeli Military has countered that by denying responsibility but not claiming responsibility. They also hinted that it may be hamas fault for firing rockets from the vicinity of the school and that they were simply returning fire. So a lot of questions, but in the eyes of the United Nations, on the ground, and in the eyes of the palestinians that weve been speaking to at the u. N. Facility and elsewhere, they belief that it was the israeli shells that landed in the vicinity of the school that killed those 15 palestinians including women and children, chris. Nbc news Foreign Correspondent ayman mohyeldin, thank you. Ted cruz is vowing to block confirmations of key state nominees to keep the faa, blocked flights flying into israel this week. You heard that right. That story is ahead. Summer eve. Now get the unmistakable thrill. And the incredible rush. Of the mercedesbenz youve always wanted. [ tires screech ] but you better get here fast. [ daughter ] yay, daddys here here you go, honey. Thank you. [ male announcer ]. Because a good thing like this. Phew [ male announcer ]. 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The faa put out a statement saying they made the decision after a careful review of the security situation at the airport in cooperation with u. S. Officials. Heres how president obama described the process. We have not made decisions when it comes to Airline Safety based on not just politics but even our Strong Alliance with israel. We have to just look at the facts. The initial ban that was imposed by the faa was based on israel needing to show us that, in fact, it was safe for commercial airlines to fly in. They worked through a checklist of concerns and mitigation measures that needed to be taken. Having completed those and convinced the faa, we move forward. In light of some scary moments a couple of days ago, the faa took some prudent action, but also engaged with israel and israel was able to answer those questions. Despite faas reversal, senator cruz is continuing to cast dispersions on the administrations motives doubling down on his vow to block confirmations of Key State Department nominees today. If it seems like that makes ted cruz look crazy, its crazy like a fox. Here to talk about what his motives might be, mckay coppins, Senior Writer for buzzfeed. What is ted cruz up to . You have to understand the politics and shadow primary going on in the Republican Party for the last year or so. Ted cruz has widely been seen along with rand paul as the primary contender for the rightwing base in the Republican Party ted cruz and rand paul. Rand paul. They were the main competitors for the tea party, right . Where ted cruz has tried to distinguish himself from rand paul over the past few months is on Foreign Policy and national security, right . Theres a specific weakness rand paul has on israel. On israel. Right. Rand paul has actually for months, you know actually basically his whole career been the pariah within the Republican Party when it comes to israel saying, you know, too much of the republican Foreign Policy has revolved around israel. He wants to

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