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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes August 26, 2014

On a punishingly hot day in the st. Louis area thousands of mourners flocked to the Missionary Baptist Church in st. Louis. We call him mike mike. Michael was a big on a day when an article in the New York Times described brown as, no angel, sparking major backlash including a protest hash tag on twitter, those who actually knew the young man, they called mike mike, described him in very different terms. I met mike mike three years ago, and he truly became my best friend. We spent so much time together just talking about god. He was truly curious about what god had to offer. He evolved into a man, a good man. And he just wanted so much. He wanted to go to college, he wanted to have a family. He wanted to be a good father, but god chose differently, and im at peace about that because hes not a lost soul. His death is not in vain. Many of the speakers addressed the deep anguish and sense of injustice brought out by the manner of browns death. Ben crump, attorney for the brown family, invoking the history of Racial Discrimination going all the way back to the notorious 3 5 clause in the u. S. Constitution. An africanamerican was to be considered 3 5 of a man, but we declare here today that we pay our final respects to Michael Brown jr. That he was not 3 5 of a citizen. He was an american citizen. And we will not accept 3 5 justice. Msnbcs own reverend al sharpton delivering an impassioned eulogy urged the audience to turn their grief and anger into action. We cant have a fit. Weve got to have a movement. A fit, you get mad and run out for a couple of nights. A Movement Means we got to be here for the long haul. And turn our chance into change. A demonstration in the legislation. We have got to stay on this so we can stop this. In an emotionally raw interview yesterday, mike browns parents sitting alongside the parents of trayvon martin, told msnbcs craig melvin what it was like to see their sons body at the funeral home for almost the last time. I looked at him. I talked to him. I touched him. Not having a conversation with my son, it really bothers me. Seeing how he feels. Just whats going on in the day. Seeing him in the casket today made it reality. Browns parents told craig they intend to keep their sons legacy alive long after todays funeral. Im planning on not letting anyone forget my son or what happened to him. Because he didnt deserve it. Im going to make sure he will never be forgotten. Never. Reverend al sharpton. Rev, media was kept out of the sanctuary today for good reason, obviously, while the service was observed. Can you tell us what the mood, the atmosphere, in that room was like. I think it was electric. People were energized as well as mourning at the same time. That family was determined to have a dignified and a solemn occasion, but yet, an occasion that was energized. I keep using that word. Because it was something that was emotional, uplifting, hopeful, as much as it was that we were putting to rest an 18yearold child. And i thought that the messages by the religious leaders, we had everyone do prayers for bishop t. D. Jakes, to reverend freddy haynes. All of the leaders that were there, many of whom didnt speak. It was the wishes of the family that i give the eulogy and that the cousin, reverend yule, gave the family eulogy, and i thought it was an impactful testimony to a movement who sees that Michael Brown is not just a victim, but a symbol of what needs to be addressed in this country. You talked about the difference between a fit and a movement. You talked about this being a moment for a movement to take shape. We saw with the eric garner rally in new york on saturday that you were one of the chief organizers of. Where does this go from here . It feels like theres something coalescing here but yet has taken its full shape. What do you see happening next . I think that youre seeing different parts come together. Thats what a movement is. Theres a difference between an organization and a movement. From my studies of the Civil Rights Movement in the 60s, and ive been fortunate enough have been mentored by some of those who led it like reverend y. T. Walker. There was dr. King and others doing other things and the sncc, student nonviolent committee. All of these things made the Civil Rights Movement successful, and i think youre seeing disconnected factions that are moving the same way, addressing the militarization of police, addressing how the federal government needs to have laws, setting a climate. We saw, chris, the first time that i can find in history, certainly in my lifetime, a sitting attorney general come to the scene of a civil rights crisis. We give a lot of credit to Bobby Kennedy, but Bobby Kennedy never went to the south during the Civil Rights Movement when he was attorney general. He sent people. The fact that we have, the president addressing this issue, the fact the attorney general came to the scene of a Police Civil Rights matter, means were being heard. Now we must be determined and disciplined to make our chance lead to change and our demonstrations into legislation. As the families have the right to engage the criminal Justice System for justice. There was a portion in your speech i think will probably get a lot of attention. It was kind of directed inwards about kind of getting our act together. Im speaking in your voice now about africanamericans and acting right and theres a long tradition of this, of course, and there are also critics who hear this and they call it they use the term respectability politics, that this is a way to kind of audition for the outside world and that that kind of respectability politics doesnt end up gaining anything. What do you say to those critics who hear that portion of the speech and feel that that takes the eyes off the ball . Because i think that they dont know what the ball is. The reason i tell our communities to dont act up is theyre acting up against us. So its not about being respectable to others, its about respecting each other. So when i said, dont act in a misogynous way, its not to impress outsiders, its because our women should be respected. When i say dont do petty crimes in the street, its not so others wont think ill of us, its because we shouldnt be doing it to each other. I can care less what the critics say. I think my life has shown that. I care a lot about what were doing to each other and for each other and thats also why i fight so hard when others do something to us. It would be the height of hypocrisy to say that were going to make sure we address what happened to Michael Brown or eric garner in staten island, but were not going to address what some of the same folks in the community are doing ill to each other. Either youre against wrong or youre not. Rev, there was a big profile of you in politico about your relationship with the white house. You spoke about it on meet the press. I got to say, in looking at some of the coverages, theres kind of an obsession with you as a figure in some precincts. I can never quite figure out, have you figured out why, why you remain the kind of point of obsession for some people as they watch this play out . I mean, its amazing to me that they always get to the sensational point. Am i close to the president . Am i too close to those in the streets . Am i too this or that . Why dont they deal with the work . Why dont they deal with the fact that whatever weve been able to do, a lot of people feel weve given voice. Im in st. Louis because the family called and asked me to come to st. Louis. The family asked me to come to staten island. Why . No one analyzes the work and the success that weve been able to penetrate with no government funding at all. The fact that i have access to the white house, every president had civil rights leaders that had access to them. Theres no story there other than you convinced yourself that i would never be able to perform at that level. Thats you misreading me. Thats not me not misreading my role and my purpose. Reverend al sharpton, thank you so much. Thank you. You can catch the reverends show weekdays at 6 00 p. M. Eastern on msnbc. Joining me now, anthony gray, attorney for the brown family. Mr. Gray, thanks for being here. How you doing, chris . Thank you for having me. I have to say, i saw Michael Browns mother rocking back and forth throughout the service and it just, it struck me that to put yourself in her shoes and her familys shoes for a moment, amidst all of this is this individual pain and grief of someone thats lost their kid. I spent the weekend with my kids and the whole time i was kind of haunted by, oh my god, to negotiate the level of grief theyre going through while the whole world is watching this insane situation play out, i just cant imagine what its like for them right now. Right. Its unspeakable. Im not sure if i got the words to express it, but i think youre starting with a good example. If you were to imagine yourself with your own kids and your own family scenario, if it got played out that saturday afternoon the same way it did for leslie, how would you feel . And as you just so eloquently described, it would be very difficult to navigate through their personal feelings while the whole world is watching. Thats what she has to deal with. She didnt prepare for this. I dont think no parent can prepare for Something Like this. This was thrown on her, and shes trying to do the best she can to cope with it. Its a really interesting moment in the service when one Family Member got up there, and i forget who it was. It might have been his cousin. Who said, im hurting, and im angry, but im going to todd. Yeah. Todd said im hurting and im angry, but im in church, and i want and it was just such a human moment because theres, you know, folks are still angry. Its like right, right. Everyones going to pack up their tents and walk away from ferguson because theres no tear gas to cover, but the people who live here are going to go out and get in their cars and get pulled over by the same Ferguson Police that were there two weeks ago and the Family Members are still going to be in ferguson when everyone packs up their tents. Sure, sure. What he was expressing was indicative of a lot of feelings that are here. I was proud of the fact he was willing to admit that. That hes angry, hes upset. At the same time, were going to honor mike brown jr. At this moment during this memorial service. I just thought it was an absolutely excellent dichotomy of emotions that he played out on stage, and, you know, i dont know how to put it in words what is going on right now and whats going to happen in the future. Its just so hard to predict whats going to become of this. All i can do is just remain hopeful, chris. Remain hopeful. What is your role what is your role as an attorney for a family that has lost a son, that has a process thats now playing out in legal channels through the county prosecutor who is investigating the case, has said he wont recuse himself. The governor wont take him off. What are the familys attorneys role in this now . To some degree, i counsel them with respect to how the process is supposed to operate. Not everybody can understand and take in the real slow churning wheels of the Justice System. A part of my role is to give that explanation and let them see how things are from a judicial standpoint. County prosecutor Bob Mcculloch, he had this line where he talked about losing his own father who was a Police Officer and lost his life in the line of fire. And say it made him a victim, an advocate for victims. Has he contacted the family, Bob Mcculloch . He has not. Not that im aware of and i serve on the official channel of communications for the family. To my knowledge, ill qualify that to say, to my knowledge, hes not reached out to the family. All right. Mr. Gray, attorney for the brown family. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. All right. How is it possible that a terror group that commits such horrible acts of atrocity is able to recruit so many people from the west . Thats ahead. Much like these majestic rocky mountains. Which must be named after the. That would be rocky the flying squirrel, mr. Gecko sir. Obviously ahh come on bullwinkle, theyre named after. First president george rockington that doesnt even make any sense. Mr. Uhh. Winkle. Geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on Car Insurance. [ male announcer ] since we began, mercedesbenz has pioneered many breakthroughs. Breakthroughs in design. Breakthroughs in safety. In engineering. And technology. And now our latest creation breaks one more barrier. Presenting the cla. Starting at 29,900. With a new00 volkswagen turbo. 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Officials announced that American Writer peter curtis was freed by a Different Group in syria, not isis, after being held by two years by Al Qaeda Affiliated group al nusra. A horrific video shows a beheading of american journalist. British intelligence officials tell nbc news they have identified the man they believe murdered foley who speaks with a british accent in the video. The white house today warned of the threat posed by isis militants with ties to the west. The other concern that we have and in some ways this is the most significant concern, is that there are individuals with western passports who have taken up arms alongside isil in this fight. And the United States and other western countries harbors a significant concern about those individuals returning to the west to carry out terrorist attacks. There are an estimated 2,000 western recruits to isis and similar Extremist Groups and according to british officials that number includes 70 u. S. Citizens and more than 500 from the uk. Many of whom could return home. This weekend, nbc news keir simmons spoke with british citizens in london who openly support isis mission. There are a lot of people who would feel the Islamic State does have a duty to protect themselves and defend against america. Killing a journalist isnt protecting yourself. The vital question to us, who is really to blame for the death of james foley . I believe its the Foreign Policy of obama its the man who put that knife in his neck, surely. Well, the thing youve got to ask is, why was this particular man chosen . It seems like he was chosen because he was an american citizen. Joining me now, mia bloom, professor of Security Studies at university of massachusetts. Author of bombshell women and terrorism. Professor bloom, we all see the videos from isis and i think unanimously across the political spectrum, muslim, jewish, christian, across all regions of the world, people just gasp in horror at the sheer brutality and yet at the same time, they have been massiv

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