President. All that and the newest last ditch effort to ends obamacare. Nobody knew health care could be so commissioned. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york, im chris hayes, donald trump is still donald trump. After a week of stories about his bipartisan pivot working with chuck and nancy on a shortterm budget deal and on possible protections for undocumented immigrants who are brought to the u. S. As children, today the president reverted to form, responding to an explosion in the london Transit System of firing off some tweets well before all the information was in. Quote, another attack in london by a loser terrorist. These are sick and deemtmented people in the sights of Scotland Yard. Must be proactive. A rebuke from Prime Minister teresa may said it wasnt helpful to speculate on an ongoing investigation. The president made a plug for his travel ban. Its tied up. He tweeted the travel ban into the United States should be far larger, tougher and more specific, but stupidly, that would not be politically correct his kneejerk reaction to the attack in london, which has since been claimed by isis stands if sharp contrast of the president s incidents unconnected to islamic terrorism. Including the bombing in early august of a mosque in minnesota, which the president has yet to comment on at all and the violence in charlottesville, to which he responded with a rare note of caution. I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what i said was correct. So i dont want to go quickly and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. I want to know the facts. You want to know the facts. You dont want to go quickly. You dont want to get out ahead of the information says the man who tweeted after the bomb this morning. Despite having triggered the worst crisis of his presidency by blaming both sides in charlottesville, both white nationalists who oppose him. Yesterday the pre president reiterated that same position. The other side. The president appears to have changed his mind about daca, now favoring protection to the young undocumented immigrants who deportation he, himself, set in motion. Now willing to do it without funding his border wall. The aboutface seems to be driven more by politics and personalities than by a real change of heart. According to politico, after feel tag republicans in congress have largely failed him, trump has died decided that he will work with whoever might give him wins. Later his Reelection Campaign send out a fundraiser to texas telling them contribute 2 if you want all caps the wall. Janet napolitano is now suing the Trump Administration over its decision to end the program. Secretary napolitano, i want to start with you on the london reaction as someone what hasnt dhs. What do you think of teresa mays comments, the president s statements on twitter were inappropriate in the midst of an investigation . I think the Prime Minister was correct. I think the president acted precipitously and got ahead of the facts and didnt act as a good allie and a supporter of Great Britain at a time like this. This is a time when our country should be working together, not pointing fingers. You should know, there are dozens of injuries in that attack so far as yet i believe no fatalities. Heres something that kir simmons said, who is in london, people at Scotland Yard tell me they interpret this as an attack on londons policemen and women by the president of the United States. I want to ask you this, put yourself in a position at the dhs after say a bomb went off, and the president says the fbi had a person in their sights. How would you react to that . Negatively. Like any human being would. The notion that somehow are you at fault for not preventing an act of this sort. It is certainly going to not foster good relations and not foster that spirit of unity of effort that we need so much in these kind of cases. Your now suing the president , over the ending of daca. Which is something thats in motion. People should be clear about this. As the negotiations ongo and the legislative effects, that is going along. What is your case for the lawsuit . Our case is that by rescinding daca, the president violated the administrative procedures act. He violated due process clause of the United States constitution. He made the wrong decision and he did it wrongly. You it appeared when the president fairs made this announcement and pivoted quickly to the possibility of a deal, that that was tantalizing he close. It also appears to me like the president and his people have moved the goal post on that recently. What is your sense of what the state of play is on this issue that i know is very close to you, since you were overseeing its implementation . Well, i think the state of play is confusining in washingt, d. C. , having sent the attorney general out to make a very categorical statement that only congress can save daca. The president then tweeted if congress didnt acted, he would. We hear about a supposed agreement with the democratic leadership in the congress and i hope if such an agreement is reached, it is put into legislative language quickly, so that all of this uncertainty for these 800,000 young people brought here through no culpability of their own, that that uncertainty can be lifted from them. In the meantime, were proceeding with our court case. I want to ask you about some reporting about that meeting that happened the other night at the white house with nancy pelosi and Chuck Schumer. It was a moment, according to people in the room, where nancy pelosi sort of had something to say. I want to read this to you. Because i imagine you have been in similar situations. Pelosi, the only woman at a table of 11 made her point. The men began talking over her, do the women get to talk around here . Pelosi interjected, according to two people familiar with the exchange. There was at last silence, she was not interrupted again. Have you found yourself from that situation . I have several times. And i have made similar comments. Do you think that ultimately there is a solution that can that basically the time line for the daca explanation gives enough runway for this to be a permanent solution . Oh, i think the permanent solution can come one of two ways, one via judicial order. Thats what were seeking or it could come via congress and thats going to take an act of political will be i the leadership and congress to just get it done. All right, janet napolitano, thank you for joining me. This is my favorite anecdote, josh, about an explanation for why he is turning away the column on ryan basically he finds them boring and unrelatable. In recent weeks, trump has complained in private that its difficult to have any type of relationship or make small talk. He told speaker ryan is a boy scott, dry as well the two a have rapport. How is that a player . The president cares more about personal chemistry and ideology. In a way she malleable. What did you think of fox last night . What did you they of what you saw on a sports game . As someone who can relate to him and talk in terms he understands and ways he understands, has a lot better luck with him than someone who cant. Thats why cluck schumer exploited in sophisticated terms, two guys from new york, theyve known each mother a long time. Mitch mcconnell is as that imturn. And as someone as the president who is verbal and is very, you know, in the kind of an oral tradition. He cares more about the spoken word tan anything. Thats well said, hes in the oral tradition. Yeah. I think Mitch Mcconnell is unscrutable to him. He cant understand how Mitch Mcconnell operates and how Chuck Schumer operates. Thats relatable. How much are they freaking out about the base in daca . There are two ways tore me. Theres one the base will swallow whatever trump dishes out. And the other is that theyre really worried about rebellion and you are seeing in the emails and the attacks about the wall and maybe Sarah Huckaby sanders moving the goal post on this, theyre freaked about rebellion . I think you saw a package of tweets from the president talking about chained migration, talking about making the travel ban even tougher. Some of his comments, you know, cracking down, promising a wall, even though that kind of wasnt a part of the deal when he talked to schumer and pelosi. I think there was some concern there the president famously said on the campaign trail, ki shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue, my supporters would still love me. Along those lines. I think in some ways theyre testing that there. In the eight, nine months of his presidency, its been eight, actually, this is one of the more rebellious moments i seen of his political base. People who have been reliable supporters coming out saying, hold on, wait, what are we doing . We reported this morning that this stephen miller, one of his hard line advisers was actually calling people on the little and trying to figure out how to undermine this. This is one of those deals a lot of people are squirming that are traditional trump supporters. Folks have the highest Approval Rating for him are the most opposed to daca. So there is a correlation in the early trump base that powered him to a victory in the primary, who were this issue is central to them. Right. And you have, you know, a core group of his supporters, as you say, chris, who really care about this. This is one of a central issues, the wall. Building the wall, more tougher immigration reform, more border agents. More patrols. Cutting down on people who come across the border. Sending people home here illegally. Roundups. No amnesty. They care about that a lot. I do think you see a broader polling that shows a lot of the countrys support stocks more than 50 supported pretty who wholeheart wholeheartedly. Thats something the president reflected on several occasions. All right. Josh, appreciate it. Thanks, for having me. Tonight we talk to Tanehisi Coates to talk about trump and the proprietary supremacy. The white house escalated its war against anchor gemel hill. That story in two minutes. Horseheadswivellychair. 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Im not sure if hes aware, i think thats one of the more outrageous comments that anyone could make and certainly something that i this is a fireable offense by espn. After that, hill issued a statement. Espn accepted that apology, but the white house was back at it again today t. Press secretary stood by her position that hills tweets were a fireable offense and the president , himself, tweeted, espn is paying a really big price for its politics. Apologize for untruths. Charlie pierce is a writer for es quakes wrote a piece to get a sense of the take he has there. What do you make of all this . Well, i was willing to just give the whole thing a pass until it somehow hit the white house podium. In which case, you know, i just thought the whole thing had gotten insane. I have been ferociously trying to defend the ability of people in journalism who worked for a large news gathering operations to say what they want on their personal social media platforms, without consequence back in the work room. I, myself, was somewhat of a victim of that once. I think its a classic example of how what we now call the main stream press got caught black footed by what social media really s. I think to discipline somebody for something they do in their off hours is, you know, one step away from having a giant company town. You, there seems to me that part of the issue here is that now the white house is calling for this person to be fired and we should note the irony here. This is president obama, himself, when he was a big tv star calling the president racist. He tweeted is obama a total racist . Also tweeted about the president obama being racist multiple times. Right . So this is someone doing the exact same thing that theyre calling a fireable offense when he. Was a tv star. That aside . Yeah, i dont remember josh earnest asking nbc to fire donald trump. Thats right. For the birther stuff when he was doing the apprentice. I dont recall that. Maybe josh did, i dont remember, it would be out of character. It else to me once the white house is calling for it, espn cannot do it. Now you are up to serious constitutional issues. The president is calling for a critic to be fired for something they said is critical, knuckleing under that is very dangerous. I agree, i think espn should have been much stronger in pushing back on that particular issue. You know, this is our employee, were handling it internally. We are doing what we think is right. Its none of your business, please go back to worrying about the fact that north korea is firing missiles over japan and that we have been hit by two major hurricanes in the past three weeks. You have Better Things to do with your salary, Sarah Huckaby sanders than talking about this nonsense . Yeah, i think thats a good point. Part of the issue here for espn it seems theyre now caught in the crossfire of the culture war. They cant escape it. I mean, they had a whole thing with kurt schilling. Kurt schilling had multiple infractions, in things he said on a talk radio show about hillary should be buried under jail somewhere, social media post. Ultimately after several of these, he was let go. Theyve got the Colin Kaepernick phenomenon and all the social currents of that squarely in the thing they cover. They want desperately to avoid politics, but ultimately they cant. Right . Thats their problem. No, you this is a you know in a participatory democracy, you cant avoid politics. If you do, are you failing as a citizen on an individual basis and are you failing as an institution within the economy. Of course, theyre political. They have to be political. There has to be politics involved. You cannot discuss Colin Kaepernick without discussing the politics of White Supremacy. You cannot gainsay what gem el hill said, although i agree with every word of it. You cant gainsay that without being involved with politics. Espn is a huge, absolutely huge operation. Its, you know, its a part of the disney corporation, which has a total of i think they made like 4 billion last year. What are they afraid of . Are they afraid of, you know, the three dolts on the die band and fox in the morning or clay travis or Tucker Calson . What are they so afraid of . Charlie pierce, great article, thank you for joining us. Thank you. Stick around, after the brake, i will talk with an award you a her to Tanehisi Coates, why he called President Trump the first white president. Join the conversation in tonights open thread, right back after this short break. Dont go away. Been trying to prepare for this day. And im still not ready. The reason im telling you this is that there will be moments in your life that. Youll never be ready for. Your little girl getting married being one of them. And lifes beautiful moments. Ns get between you flonase outperforms the 1 nondrowsy allergy pill. It helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause symptoms. Pills block one and 6 is greater than 1. Flonase changes everything. A few days before anchor gelel hill tweeted the president is a white supremacist, she shared on her facebook page, Tanehisi Coates piece in the atlantic ielted the first white president he says. Joining me now is Tanehisi Coates, we were eight years in power, which people should read to find the source of that quote, which is chilling and unnerving, one of the favorite things in the book. Good to have you here. Good to be here. I want to talk about the gemel hill thing, im not saying this came from you. She posted your article and says we were joking if you publish this on the cover of one of the oldest magazines in america. Its fine. People debate it. Few tweet it, you are gemel hill, you might get in trouble. I dont know what espns policy is with regards to politics. I cant speak of apointiateness. I can speak to the audience of Sarah Huckaby sanders and now donald trump, himself. This is characters, its all of it is truculent white supremacist powers. This is when White Supremacists go back to slave holders. Its always the white supremist who is being offended. I think its pretty characteristic. I want to talk about that term white supremacist in a second. Layout the conceit of the peace, which is that donald trump is the first white president. Right. Is a really gripping one. Whats the basic idea . Well, i wanted to attack the basic notion that whiteness is about phenotype its by logically and inher at the timed. Its an idea, not a real thing, in fact. So whiteness actually has to come from a certain place and throughout American History, what its cool from is it negates the blackness, the idea of not being a word i cant say here in the essay. One of the fascinating things about trump is not so much that, you know, he has a history of racism, has a history of being a white supremacist. Weve had other president s look that, weve had other White Supremacists who checked white on the census form. We never had a president who so much defied himself by the president that was before him who just so happens to be our first plaque presiden