Chris Hayes discusses the days top news. Of these things is still playing out. One of the things that has happened is we have seen an escalation against mueller. This was crossing a line he has not crossed before. This is the closest he has come to a direct order to stop an investigation into himself and the campaign. And not only that, he is doing it as an fbi agent is on the stand testifying. It is still amazing and i dont think we should lose track of either of those things, they are both remarkable and both frankly what we have seen before. It has been hard. And we are looking through the Mueller Investigation through a straw and we get the king of unreliable narrators. What do we know in terms of the back and forth. A lot of today was about
gam gamesmanship. They dont want to say absolutely not we will not do an interview. So this is part of the gamesmanship. Mueller is saying, okay, we will take some of the questions off the table. Would you please sit down with us. And frankly i think a lot of lawyers dont expect this interview to ever happen. Not under, i mean, or it might happen under compelled terms. Under voluntary terms everybody doesnt think this will happen. As much as a good faith effort to make this happen under voluntary terms. Absolutely. I think that is a very important point for them. If this ever does come before a judge who has to make a decision
take your pick and what is it that trump wants undone here . That is one interesting aspect of in this. The other interesting matter for us to consider is the language and the statute itself that makes it a crime. It is not just a crime to successfully obstruct a legal proceeding, it is a crime for someone to endeavor, to obstruct that sort of proceeding. And so this tweet is very hard i think to rationalize in any manner other than as an effort by the president to put up roadblocks for this investigation Weathhether Direc or not and certainly a great piece of evidence as it applies to obstruction. That likely happens in the course of Impeachment Proceedings on the hill rather than in the form of indictment. But this is something that if
the president were your client, you would be very unhappy to see him doing. I want to play you the defense of sar the Press Secretary. The launching of the witch hunt, the president has watched this process play out and also wants to see it come an end which he has stated many times. She seems to be furthering the sub text, of the tweet in her response to it. I suppose it is not surprising that the president who seems to have less respect for the First Amendment than any other president in the country history would have a Press Secretary who engages in this sort of word salad trying to
justify the president tweet. It is not an exercise of his First Amendment rights. Not a statement of his opinions, it is a direction to his attorney general. Thank you for joining me. Thanks for having me. Democratic Congress Member of the House Intelligence Committee joins me now. I want to play something about what senator blumenthal had to say about this today. These tweets adding to each other amount to evidence of criminal intent. There is now right now, a clearly credible case of Obstruction Of Justice against the president of the United States. Do you agree . Yes. I think it is a pattern of behavior. Rarely in these prosecutions do you have one big bombshell act. Especially post enron where we beefed up the laws allowing for this sort of prosecution. They understood it was going to be a pattern of behavior, accuracies, activities, clearly the president , not just in his tweets, but the talk of pardons of people who are on trial right now, implying if they didnt go along and cooperate with the investigation they could be pardoned. The sheriffs pardon in arizona clearly telling folks you dont have to abide by lawful subpoenas. Firing comey, and asking for his loyalty, threatening to fire mueller previous time. You put it all together and i think we have met the burden. This investigation is going to take much longer and we need to be patient. Two ways of looking at it, one is frog boiling in the water. He is testing his limits. The other is a sign of how impotent he is. This is something who is wining
because he knows he cant take the steps. The legal term is he is actually freaking out. His Campaign Chairman is on trial, his National Security adviser has already pled guilty and is cooperating. And his personal attorney, the person who was so important why, why do we know cohen was important . Because President Trump thought he was important. He gave him as you know, his most Sensitive Task and right now, there is a real possibility that he is going to follow flynn and cooperate. You know, you are on the House Intelligence Committee and you guys have the investigation that was i think i will editorialize, pre maturely cut short by the majority. Do you think i think to myself, do people on capitol hill feel confident they know what the president did and what will come out. And are you walking around. Some of my republican
colleagues witch they wou colleagues wish they would go away. And others are Company Conspirators in a sense. They taint the investigation and they shut it down. They work hand in glove with the president of the United States to obstruct this investigation. Do you think that is going, when you guys get back from recess in the fall and it will be months from midterms, do you expect more on that front . You say we look at this investigation through a straw, the Mueller Investigation has been careful about leaks. And they have been careful to stay away from our investigation and vice versa. But knowing the type of person he is, my assumption is that if he doesnt do something pretty soon, he is probably going to put off anything until after the
election. Because of that window of interfering of the election yeah, what we learned from comey all too well before the president ial election of 16. What are your conversations back in the district or does it come up . Is. It comes up all the time. I get stopped in coffee shops, riding my bike, walking my dog. Most people say please continue this. Find out what took place. Remind them on the Intel Committee and all i can tell them is that we are doing the best we can. I think most people recognize for what it is. This is more important than watergate and more complicated. Why is it more important . Because it involves a foreign adversary, and a real
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particular witness to introduce a document. The judge said why are we, are you going to, your going to offer mr. Gates, arent you . Had been described as many observers as the prosecutions star witness. To help sort through the cases fast second day, joined by nick ackerman. And News Intelligence and National Security reporter ken delainian. Much to the annoyance to prosecutors, judge ts ellis
likes to make himself a part of the theater. Luxury goods paid for by wire transfers. And as you said, this is money that prosecutors say he parked there to avoid taxes. He then used it to pay for example a Million Dollars, a Million Dollars for suits over a period of four years. 3 million paid to a contractor who is doing various improvement to his hampton vacation homes. And trying to get in evidence of his luxurious life styles. The judge was pushing back for that. He is not on trying for being wealthy. The other major theme was rick gates may not be as important to
the prosecution case as the defense would like him to be. Not only did prosecutor suggest that he may not testify at all. But for every one of these witnesses who describe these transactions, the prosecution would ask have you heard of a man rick gates. And they said no. To a person they have never heard of. He was not involved in any transactions. So hard for the defense to argue that you know, rick gates is to blame for all of this alleged illegality. Basically said their theory of the case is that rick gates screwed over manafort. He did all of this bad financial transaction, it was his fault. Paul manafort said bill my bank account and i bill it and sell a Million Dollars in suits. What do you think about the centrality in the case. I dont think he is central at all. If you look at the exhibit list, there are lots of emails involving rick gates and a lot of directions. They dont need to call rick gates. In fact i dont think they are going to call rick gates. If you look at the prosecutors opening, it is not traditional popping where the Prosecutor Says i am calling x witness and i want you to know about his bkt. He lied to us. He lied on his taxes, but the real issue is whether he is telling you the truth and you are going to tell you that what he tells you is corroborated. They didnt say that. To pre butt what defense is going to say about this guy. Right and in Addition Mueller has a good reason not to call rick gates. He has to turn over what is
called Impeachment Material which means he has to provide to the defense all of the witness statements that were made by rick gates. The last thing he wants to do is turn over statements that gates has made about the conspiracy between the Trump Campaign and the russians. On top of that, prosecutors like me used to like to try really lean cases. The less evidence you put before the jury, the better you are because every time you call a witness, there are pluses and minuses. And if you dont need that person on the stand, you do not call them. Shortest distance between two points. Exactly. And if you can prove your entire case with documents that is the way to go. The government is going to argue in the end that rick gates was available to the defense. They can call them and it is charged that the judge will give
the jury that this witness was equally available on both sides. Ken, did they cross examine the Witnesses Today . Very gentle. In their Opening Statement they argued he never intended to commit tax evasion. And they are going to blame employees gates but potentially other people as well. Mr. Manafort was busy and he signed documents that was put in front of him. The evidence so far shows that Paul Manafort was involved in these transactions. We will have to see how that plays out. He parks the money in sicyprs and he didnt realize that you had to tell the irs about it because he had employees to do that. They are not contesting that because the paper trail is
there, they are saying he didnt know. Yes, it is the oligarchs the ukrainians idea to do that. And he just went along. All right. Thank you for that. Next. The Conspiracy Theory out in full force at the president s rally, the unbelievable story behind that. That sign you see there. And why the absolutely insane Conspiracy Theory represents has more followers than you know right after this. [upbeat music] now im gonna tell my momma that im a traveller im Gonna Follow The Sun now im gonna tell my momma that im a traveller transitions™ light under control™
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the first time, your reaction is correct. This is all insane and in co core coherent. Curt chilling has a link on his facebook. And the q anon youtube videos gets Hundreds Of Thousands of views. A Conspiracy Theory that appears to be growing in strength. And had its coming out party at the president s rally. I want to bring in two people tracking, sam cedar and will summer tech reporter. I think it shows the Crazy Mystical Cult quality. Q anon storm the great awakening. This started back when the president was meeting with military leaders, saying this was the calm before the storm. That launched us into what the q team, Military Intelligence talking to all of us, letting us know what is going on behind the scenes, letting us know the covert battles waging between the deep state and donald trump and military alliance. Spread it. I dont want to get into the details this have because it is a bizarre no stick nonsense. But why is this thing taking hold . So q anon, it almost presents a Counter Narrative for Trump Supporters who arent happy with how it is going. So it presents this Counter Narrative of all the items. And so that is wide appeal to Trump Supporters. The mueller, all of the news which is upsetting, actually it is going to be revealed that they are on the same thing. Take it easy, dont worry, we are taking down the deep state. We wrestle sometimes on this show what do you cover, what dont you. People across the entire political spectrum believe all sorts of insane things. And that is true of liberals on the left. The way the right wing ecosystem works. There was a dude at the hoover dam who was armed with the Q Anon Release the oig report. Yeah, and i understand the dilemma of whether you cover this. I remember an Associate Producer on my podcast wanted to cover gamer gate years ago and i thought what is the point of that, that is not politics. And then these people end up in the white house. This is the dilemma that we deal with. Fascinating things about this, you can track this. For all we know q is some guy who started on fortune who wanted to see if people would believe this like other fake news stories. And the other element is that we have seen left, right, conspiracy theories, but this is for the guy who is in power and it is creating a narrative. There is that stat out today by the Washington Post that the president has told 4,000 lies or
something like this. This whole narrative is different in its quality or you know, it is just, it is more interesting version of what the president is telling us. Thats a great point. And there is also the fact that people are getting, being told at the rally by the president , dont read tnew york times. Listen to me. And you choke off one Information Source and this is what you get. People who believe i