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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes October 7, 2018

Capitol hill. What do you hear from people. Whats the smell of the crowd . It seems to me theyre not quitting . Reporter no, theyre not quitting. There is a sense of at least a temporary defeat here. Democratic lawmakers who thought perhaps in this last week long extension they may have found a way to derail this nomination. And the protesters you can see in much smaller numbers outside. More than 160 arrested, theyre fired up right now. Were going to find out in a month or so if this nomination forced through by republicans on nearly a party line vote, will be enough to exchange what has been an issue that has animated conservative voters more than it has liberal and progressive voters, democrats typically speaking dont vote on judicial nominations in the same way that republicans do, now, perhaps, democrats are going to be fired up about this, you just heard from Mitch Mcconnell saying, this has rallied his base in a way that nothing else has been done during a Trump Administration has. More than the tax cuts, more than the obamacare fight. This is an issue that has deeply polarized both parties. Weve been hearing that for the last two weeks. Aggressive and intense protests all the way around. The nifinal vote ends that way too. Calling on shame on the senators. Republicans have always cared about the court, going back to hamilton. They had their residual power after the party, the federalists lost all power, they still had the court, they still had marshall running the court. I think youre right, if theres going to be a time, that the liberal part of the country, the left, if you will, gets as excited about Court Appointments as the right has been for our history. Lets bring in Kristen Welker at the white house. Theres some new comments. What is it, kristen . We got new comments from the president whos traveling aboard air force one to kansas where he will take a big victory lap this evening. The victory lap, thundershowougy starting. Let me read you what hes telling reporters at this hour. Were very honored that he was able to with stand this horrible attack by the democrats, so again, taking direct aim at democrats for holding up his confirmation. He also says, women were outraged at what happened to Brett Kavanaugh. Echoing the comments by some republican women, including Susan Collins who said she believes it wasnt Brett Kavanaugh who sexually assaulted Christine Blasey ford, despite the fact that ford testified she was 100 certain it was kavanaugh. Brett kavanaugh said hes 100 certain ford named the wrong person. The president speaking out about this major victory, he campaigned on a promise to put conservatives on the high court. So far, hes had two new Supreme Court justices that he has named, of course. Judge gorsuch and now justice Brett Kavanaugh. Hell be sworn in a little later on today. President trump also tweeting about this big win moments ago saying, i applaud and congratulate the u. S. Senate for confirming our great nominee to the United States Supreme Court. Later today i will sign his commission of appointment and he will be officially sworn in. Very exciting. Hes also talking about this to the washington post, if this gives you a sense of how emboldened hes feeling at this hour, saying, that lisa murkowski, the senator from alaska who voted no will effectively never live this down. He has said that she will never recover from voting no. So speaking extensively about this big victory, weve been spending so much time talking about the president s tone. He was very measured when he started talking about this controversy several days ago, saying he wanted to hear from dr. Ford, then having heard from her, saying she was credible. Then his tone changed on the campaign trail. He started to go after her, to mock her, that was something that energized his crowds. Its frankly energized the republican base, if you take a look at the polls, the enthusiasm gap. Its narrowed quite a bit. That brings us to the question youve been debating, will the republican enthusiasm continue on through election day . We know one thing, president interrupt is going to be campaigning on this. Hes going to be taking a big victory lap in kansas. He has a number of Campaign Events ahead between now and election day. You can bet this is something hes going to mention each and every time he steps in front of the podium. Lets do a little analysis. It seems to me that trump has certain powers which are extraordinary in red states. I mean, if nine out of 10 republicans support him right down the line on every issue, republican states are going to be more likely to vote for the republican candidate if he says so. He has a lot of swag in north dakota, he may have more swag in missouri than he has in the east, somewhere. In the end, he is picking his targets. As you look at his travel schedule, hes not going to connecticut. Hes not going to new york, hes not going to massachusetts. So he is sort of recognizing his limitations in where he chooses to go. Well, i think youre right about that, and that underscores a central question. Will his sharp rhetoric that we have seen in recent days including as it relates to dr. Ford, will that backfire when it comes to those all important suburban women voters . Will they be on board with that type of language, particularly in those races that may be in red states, but in those races that are razor tight. What will that mean for the margins, hes fighting to not only hold on to the senate, but the house, and the house looking very difficult. I was with him in minnesota earlier this week, he lost minnesota. But i can tell you where we were, the crowd was incredibly energized and the stadium was packed, so hes still drawing those very big crowds, chris, even when he is in the reddest of red places, but the question again becomes, will some of that sharp rhetoric in anyway backfire for this president heading into the midterms . I used to think we lived in one cun. I dont think we lived in one country any more. You cant talk about how america feels any more. Theres two countries right next to each other. Thank you for joining us from the white house. Lets bring in betsy from the daily beast. And charlie savage. I want to do a Little Division here. Eleanor, you and i have been through these. I just asked you, how do you decide whos going to have the most theyre leaving the starting gate right now. One month exactly until election day. Whos coming off the fastest off the blocks . Its male rage versus female rage. Exactly. There are more women in this country than there are men. We tend to go to the polls more regularly than men. I think democrats are cowed by trumps ability to tap into this grievance that white men feel. And i think one poll. Its a skinny white guys who look nervous. Its like, i dont know why. I dont know that it has to do with weight exactly. Who used to be on andy griffith, the nervous deputy sheriff. Thats like everybody. Barney fife, it seems like the barney fife party. Hogans heroes, i dont know. I dont think there are a lot of role models to tap into this. The president is clearly rewriting how this nomination unfolded. And is attributing it to a smear job by democrats. And hes found all these women who are now agrieved over how Brett Kavanaugh has been treated. Who are they . Women like me who have sons, and the message is, if brett ka va flaw is vulnerable, your sons are vulnerable, your husbands are vulnerable. Women are going to be coming out making all of these fraudulent accusations. Its a bizarre trap to draw, i think a lot of people are falling into it, who tend to listen to this president anyway. What are the accusations thats today and tomorrow. Stormy daniels, he paid her off. He paid off mcdougal. Totally. Theres no one making up the fact checks dont necessarily stop trump. The context here thats important to remember, women arent a monolith when it comes to these hot button issues. Remember, a significant number of women voted for donald trump even in the wake of that access hollywood tape. Christian evangelical women are going to find a lot to like in kavanaugh. Its not just a battle of the sexes. I have been listening around my world. This upper middle class crowd around kavanaugh is protective. Thats true. They are. Especially the washington community. Trump campaigned on draining the swamp, you wont find someone who is more a creature of washington than soon to be justice kavanaugh. He grew up here with one of the most powerful figures in american politics, bar none before he became confirmed to be a justice on the Supreme Court. So very much its important to remember. Your point here is absolutely right. It is a class question as well as a gender question. Christine ford was also a member of the same class, the same washington community. We cant discount how much this conversation changed when avenatti came in with the swetnick allegations of gang rape. You think he if you listen to Susan Collins speech yesterday, and the rhetoric on the right and coming out of the white house. They seized upon this much less credible looking set of allegations to taint the original ones by association. And this is the thing that, hey, mothers, your sons are going to be hit with fraudulent allegations, where suddenly they were drugging and gang raping everyone, and everyones what is that. Avenatti did a luge favor for the trump white house. I want to get back to something we get in our heads, a scoring system. Theres boundaries in football. Theres a line here. 100 yards, certain things you think will work. When a president attacks a woman whos a victim like he did this past week, just attacked her, made fun of her with that wonderful ability to ridicule he has. Its not nice, but he knows exactly how to ridicule someone. Cant remember, just had one beer. Cant remember i said one beer. This ridicule worked. According to everyone. What happened here, why do people like that . I dont know that they necessarily that was a pivot point. So was Lindsey Graham, was a pivot point. You can find a couple pivot points where the og were hearing the victims should be heard. When they began to see kavanaugh began to fight back, everyone got off that original message. When he mocked the reporter who was disabled. You know, that has stuck in peoples minds, and i dont think that was a positive thing, and i think his mocking of blasey ford is going to stick in a lot of womens minds as well. A lot of women are saying, okay, he did this, but im getting my Supreme Court justice, and im prolife and thats important to me. That explains pennsylvania, i think, my brother told me a lot of people, older catholics that showed up to vote. They knew trumps lifestyle. They werent he was Frank Sinatra running for president , they still wanted that vote. By the way, they got two of them now. They got two out of nine. History is going to note this confirmation took place with Sexual Assault allegations against the nominee, and a president who nominated him who had 20 women come forward are we going to hear whats the bet, are we going to have people come out of the woodwork the next week, the week after. Saying, i was there . I was there with ramirez, i was there with ford . Do you think this is going to end . No. I would be surprised if that were to happen. If you are in a situation where you were a witness to this activity, you have nothing to gain politically, youre not contributing at all. Youre not hurting anyone. Youre putting yourself in the public limelight. And youre going to face all the credible Death Threats and harassment that anyone facing these allegations faces. Or forever hold your peace. I know they moved up Clarence Thomas swearingin. They were afraid more women were going to come forward. Im sure this whole thing has been a big hurry for fear that there were more women out there. Protesters out in force. Theyre not going away. G away i like your card, but im absolutely not paying an annual fee. Discover has no annual fees. Really . Yeah. We just dont believe in them. Oh nice. You would not believe how long ive been rehearsing that. No annual fee on any card. Only from discover. Jimmys gotten used to his whole yup, hes gone noseblind. Odors. He thinks it smells fine, but his mom smells this. Luckily for all your hardtowash fabrics. Theres febreze fabric refresher. Febreze doesnt just mask, it eliminates odors youve. Gone noseblind to. And try Febreze Unstopables for fabric. With up to twice the fresh scent power, youll want to try it. Again and again and maybe just one more time. Indulge in irresistible freshness. Febreze unstopables. Breathe happy. Were looking at capitol hill, some arrests at the capitol hill. Mike, its great to have you here today. Have you on this kind of front where you maybe brought this trouble with you, but its great. I think its good for americans to see their fellow scitizens ot showing their passion. You have a right to Petition Congress in the First Amendment to the constitution, what theyre doing right now is their right. And im glad theyre doing it. Its an extraordinary situation, chris, you and i have been covering the capitol hill for a long time, ive never seen a situation like i saw earlier today, when it was almost an impromptu march, they sort of planned it beforehand. I was privy to a little bit of that. They marched over and eluded the Capitol Police who were trying to converge quickly and took over the east steps of the can toll. Police now revealing that 150 people were arrested during that civic action. Generally theyre not in jail very long. In fact, some of them are already out. Many of them have gathered to cheer or jeer senators as they emerge from the capitol. Chris coons, the democrat obviously depends on how they voted. This crowd antikavanaugh. Ted cruz came out he was jeered and he waived to the crowd as if in a mocking way, it points the subject the discussion you were having earlier, whether republicans feel like this is something that fires up their base one month out from the election. For the people ive been talking to, the protesters ive been reporting on over the last week. They dont really care that theres a backlash against what theyve been doing. Yes, ted cruise and Mitch Mcconnell are politicians. They need something to campaign against. Mitch mcconnell and Lindsey Graham using harsh language to portray these protesters as being out of line. They like to cast that contrast. The people here in the halls, who have been in the halls the last couple weeks, some 300 of them arrested thursday in the atrium. Their complaint is that these members of congress are inaccessible. Theyre not having town halls, not being responsive to their concerns, you called it an explosion of democracy, hey, that works. Theyve been talking, speaking truth to power. And in their opinion, its something theyve undertaken. The question is, were one month out, whats the staying power two years out, whats the staying power . Been there myself back in the 60s, antiwar movement. I went to one at the pentagon, i know what theyre like, and i do think they make a difference. It takes a while, but the voices are heard. With me right now rev rands al sharpton and elise jordan. Thank you both. Give us a sense of your mood right now, youre going to be preaching tomorrow, back on the air tomorrow. Is there a complicated message here . Is it one of outrage or one of selfsatisfaction and outrage . I think it is outrage, but it is toward sustained indignation. You cant just get angry and not drive that anger in a constructive way to vote to protect your interests. I think this is not just about one singular issue, this is about the last 50 or 60 years when this country became at least by law, more inclusive of gender, of race, of lgbtq, and were talking about now the real possibility of a Supreme Court reversing many of those things. I think thats why the president came out and why mcconnell came out, starting to go for the political fight attacking certain senators and attacking certain interests that they claim were behind this, rather than deal with what this will mean in the Supreme Court. We have chris in the pipeline cases that will determine the future of voting rights, of the Affordable Care act, of affirmative action. Of many things that are in the pipeline that go before this court. And the sermons i think people have to preach tomorrow is everything that we know, we have known for the last half century is at stake now. Which is why we got to vote. And for the first time in a long time, if ever, we see one Party Controlling the three branches of government, the right wing of the republican party, more accurately, the trump wing controls the executive branch, legislative branch and judicial branch. That is not what the Founding Fathers, we were not part of it, the Founding Fathers said we need checks and balances, there are no checks and balances, theyve got to be checked in november. Elise, why do the conservatives want the Supreme Court so much . Why wouldnt you, chris, its power. Its gotten outside power in the past couple decades, because Congress Fails to do their job, so many major policy decisions have been outsourced to the court, and by taking a more proactive stance in grooming a pipeline of potential Supreme Court justices, weve seen where conservatives have been quite successful in grooming and cultivating good candidates throughout the process, so that they have today they were able to realize their long held goal of a more conservative Supreme Court. I ask that, because i do have some experience anecdotally, watching people showing up for trump who have nothing but contempt for his lifest

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