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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes February 15, 2019

Reporter but its 2,000 miles, Pacific Ocean to the gulf mx co. Desert, mountains, tarmland, cities. Concrete, scrub grass and a whole lot of sand and one long river. How exact laaly are you going t build a wall on this . To comp remend the border, you got to see it and its overwhelming vastness, the people on both sides. The reality. Whats your message to the president about this section . We have kids who cross the border every day to go to school. In one hour well talk you all 1,933 miles from michigan texas to sand yag o, california. This is all in america live from the border. Im standing at the site of what the president plans to declare a National Emergency. If the house passes a bill to avoid a second shut dng, he will sign it, and declare a National Emergency, then head to maralago oafter declaring a a National Emergency. The president has turned into a National Symbol of trumpism. M jacob in el paso, at the border crossing. In antelope wells, New Hampshire and Gaddy Schwartz in san diego, california. The border is a vast expanse of desert and mountains and farmland thats near lathe size of the eastern seaboard. A geographically and diverse area the president is saying the totalality of which is an emergence. There are challenges across the region to boo sure and there is no invasion and it is very hard to look at the actual data and conclude theres an unprecedented disaster. Crossings have decreased dramatically. Right afrom the border with juarez, we have correspondents where President Trump is planning to declare a National Emergency. They have driven across the border to see what is really happening here. We begin with cal perry in san beneato o. Cal. Reporter chris, the debate over the border and a wall may seem like politics unwashington d. C. But in texas its a way of luf. The border between texas and mexico stretches from bustling cities to tiny towns, over mountains and along the rio grand. From the heart of the country all the way to the gulf. We drove the entire length of the border, starting in the sit a of el paso. 40 minutes outside of town as the terrain turns to desert, the border wall ends, just past the temporary detention city set up to house thousands of migrant children. And the gap until you reach a ranch in fort hancock. Whats your message to the president about this section right here . Come down and finish the wall. Reporter where less than 100 people live, migrants improvise ways to cross the border. 20yearold hernandez began the journey unguatemala. The border between mexico and the u. S. Follows the rio grand southeast. Here the landscape talks over. You come to big ben state park, the most rural part of the state and you understand immediately why the ports of entree are used so often. The natural barrier makes it virtually impossible to cross, which is why a wall would be completely impractical. The border winds along the river through beautiful, unpopulated wilderness. A return of civilization and so the return of the wall. You can see the wall picking back up here for the obvious reason. Its possible for people to cross here. Beyond eagle pass, the wall become as small fence and the elements can be hostile. There are no paved roads close to the border in this part of texas so if you decide to cross, youre definitely talking your life unyour hands. No cell lines, which is why people leave giant blue buckets out. Theyre fulled with water. New sections are of the wall could threaten the National Butterfly center. This is a remnant of native habitat, set aside for conservation and its all going to be destroyed. What will happen to the National Butterfly center if a wall goes in . Well, it will look like a prison yard for one, which is never good for echo tourism and lose our property that will be south of the border wall. Reporter Border Patrol are out in force picking up large groups of people, the vast majority of which are families. Agents can see whats happening on the mexican side of the border. They want tuse leave so they can cross more bodies. So theyre motioning for you to go away . Yes. Theyre not scared of anything right now. They want me to leave so they dont have to worry about their guide getting caught. Skblr reporter the final stretch of wall is in browns vill, texas and some 13 miles through marshland until reaching the gulf of mexico. Chris, the giant skzs of wall, that was own laapropriated in 2006. Those pieces went in in 2009. The gap will be filled in. So the section of wall took ten years to complete. I guess the first question is having gone along the entire edge of this border in texas, what do you think of it being an emergency . Reporter theres no state of emergency, certa emergency for example the central processing center. 1500 people are packed in there. It is attica pasty. So its a facility jacob visited. There are still children in cages in the facility. Theyre meant to hold 15 people. There are 30 people jammed in shoulder to shoulder. We saw young girls crying and shaking and praying. We asked an official from customs and Border Protection inside the facility what they needed. One of the first things he said were judges. Just an indication its not just the wall here. Thanks for being with me. I want to turn to msnbc correspondent 400 mules southeast of me. Shes across the border from the texas town of eagle pass. Thanks for being with me. Reporter good evening, chris. The Trump Administration has made it more diffdprlt migrants to be able to apply for asylum at the u. S. Border. Instead the administration reached an agreement with mexico to keep the Asylum Seekers south of the border. A policy known as metering. So we travelled to the sister cities so close you could see them on the other side and the president s policy and its effect on everyone we spoke to was loud and clear. Eagle pass, texas, a quiet, unassuming place, population 30,000, but the voices of residents are being drowned out by more than 2100 Law Enforcement agents. A lot of people wont say nothing because theyre scared of what will be done to them. Reporter the reason for the extra security lieus just across the rio grand river in the mexican city. Now force under to an immigrant showdown with its texas 21. All the Law Enforcement presence, what is the message its sending . Ultimately that youre not going to be able to cross uloogally. In any way shape orfashion. Reporter is necessary to have this display . At this level, no. Reporter this is what we found. You have the mexican fed rallies and the mexican army, the red cross, the local Migration Institute all surrounding the shelter behind me. Some 1800 migrants, mostly from honduras who arrived via caravan just over a week ago now being kept by mexican authorities unwhat use ou in what used to be a factory. How would you describe this place . She says its like being in jail. Year told only a couple of aid groups are allowed inside. And so far field migrants are allowed out. That desperation hit a brocking point on wednesday. Brocking point on wednesday reporter mexican authorities are getting ready to move almost 200 migrants from the shelter. Theyre getting on the buses and being taken to other states in mx co. The only reason theyre allowed to do that is because theyve secured humanitarian visas. If they dont have humanitarian visas, migrant are not allowed to leave. Theyrefer sent in small groups to file for asylum. Leaving thousands of migrants waiting indefinitely. What kind of an impact has this had on your child . Mexican Officials Say theyre doing everything they can. End soon and legally in peace and in good relationships. Reporter for her and so many others here, this is home for now but she prayers not for long. She just has faith ungod that theyll theyll able to get to the u. S. Its my understand reporter go ahead. I just wanted to ask. The shelter scene you showed, basically it seems whether its a deal thats been struck for the Mexican Government to essentially warehouse people. Those folks are essentially in a stateless limbo, is that right . Reporter many of the families told me they feel like theyre in prison, crus rr. And that is what is new. Metering is not new but this is from mexico. Keeping these families, these mothers behind this fence here. I mean look at where im standing now. This is new and it is a direct response to what is happening on the other side thoorks fact that cdp can only take 12 to 20 people today and woor wiere ta almost 2,000 whose main purpose was to turn themselves in to seek asylum. Theyre caught onborder battle between these two sit as and just being on the ground for 48 hours, this i think is the epicenter of this border debate right now, this city in mexico. Thank you so much for brungibrun bringing that from the mexican side of the border. For many crossing back and forth is just part of an ordinary day. Reporter thats right. Spot on. And i think what gets lost so often about it both sides of the border is the interconnectiveness of both sides. The president was panonting of very dangerous city protected by a border wall put up some time ago, elpaso. But the reality is the people that live unel paso are the people that live in juarez. They commute back and forth to go to work, go to school and the way the president talks about this is completely foreign to them. All these people behind me are walking back unmexico after spending a day inside of elpasoe. El paso has felt the disproportionate impact of the aggressive deterrent policies. Is the first place he put the to place zeer otolerance. They didnt die in el paso. They died in the el paso sector. For the people that live and work on both sides and traverse it every single day, its a complete laforeign idea, one not based on the realities on the ground. This is what it looks like, walking back and forth. Were going to talk a little later about all the reporting youve been doing over the last several years on this. And 28th congressional district. Youre on that conference commit a that struck the deal that apoors luke its going to be suned. What is your reaction to the announced intent to declare a nationalmergency . I disagree with the president because his visions of the border, all he sees is a crisis and whos dead wrong. For us we see the border as a place to raise our families, grow businesses. Its a place of community and opportunity. If you want to look at violence, for example. According to the fbi, the crime rate, the National Crime rate for example, murders, is 5. 3 murders for 100,000. The border crime rate is a lot lower and ill take my home town of laredo. You compare to washington d. C. , its more dangerous in washington two or three or four times more dangerous here. The crisis is not at the border. Stums i think its dealing with our president , all due respect to hum. What do you imagine are the next steps if the president does invoke this Legal Authority many think is a dubious constitutionality . Its certainly dubious. I think the Supreme Court has weve already talked about whether the president can declare a emergency. Theyll say if theres an emergency, maybe he should have called it months agobut he coops waiting and tries to use it as a leverage. He didnt get the money on the wall he wanted. He didnt even get that close so now he wants to use that because hes obsessed at this 13th century called a wall. What do you think the i want to read concern from susan collins, republican in the senate who says this. Declaring a National Emergency would be a mistake on the part of a president. I dont believe the act constitutes the president relocating billions for specific purposes outicide of the normal appropriations process. What should you as the president do this . The senator is right. Im in full agreement with heir. We have hearings, we have testimony and then we decide in a very bipartisan way to put the appropriation bill. So we decide what goes into akountsz. And the president wants to come in by himself and change everything that congress did . That just doesnt make sense. Again hes obsessed with this 14th century solution called a wall. Is the reason that money wasnt there or the 5. 7 million, the compromise hammered out between you and others, republican and democrat, its just not necessary. Is that your position . We want to have sensible Border Security where we balance the trade and truism with Border Security. I liver on the border. I know what the border is. I dont go in for a few minut s i know the border better. If you want to stop drugs, most drugs come through ports of entree. Soyou build a wall, it doesnt stop the drugs coming through our ports. You got to be smart. Folking on the ports of entree, cay nine personnel. In 2001 border putroel apprehended 1. 6 million individuals. Last year . 303,000 individuals. And if you want to look at most of the people here, 67 are here illegally came through a legal veegsau or permutt. Soyou put a wall, theyre going to fly. And all due respect to our neighbors, most over stays are canadians. So maybe were looking at the wrong border. District along that border, thank you for talking a little time tonight. This week began with the president coming here, to el paso to whip up support for his border wall but led by rising democratic star beto orourke across the street. O obviously the big news is the president is going to sign the appropriation and declare some unspecified National Emergency. Its hard to make a rational case for an emergency dkleration or troops on the border or any amount of Additional Border walls or fnsi walls fencing and slats, even if its only 1 and a quarter. Its never been as safe and secure as it is now and asman a people know, el pasos been one of the safest in the u. S. For the last 20 yeefrs. In fact a little less safe after we had a wall. Mccallen is safe, the border sit as are safer than the average city on the interior. Theres no rational reason to do this. Reporter ive been interviewing you for years and you would always say el paso is one of the safest cities in america and the president turned that against el paso. For a while it was scary and no, it is safe and its because of the wall which there is part of back there and you think thats not true. No. I know thats not true. You see 20 years go and el paso is the second or third safest in the United States barb none. We build a wall in 2008 after the 2006 secure fence act voted for by republicans and democrats alike and el pasos crime rate actually increase after that. I dont know if its correlated but what i can tell you is didnt have to do with the wall. Reporter like this stretch they could come across. But its not like the city of el paso is under an invasion . It was not. And a really important thing to remember is weve always had some level of migration from mexico and Central America, most of it from people wanting to work jobs in this country that no one with else would do legally. And esengs that he will same number of people keep coming to work only now theyre undocumented. Today the lowest numbers of apprehension in my lifetime. Im 46 and those coming are turning themselves in and theyre coming to flee the most violent countries on the planet today, most off within little kids or little kids without their parents. We have asylum laws we must follow, International Obligations to which we must ad here and a sns of moral purpose we should live up to. The walls not for going to solve any of that. You were at a rally when the president came to town. Whats the message there . For people looking at this in detroit or new jersey or oregon. What is the message . It was so powerful and so profoundly positive. Nothing negative about it. It was a celebration of what mocks elpasoso special. The fact were one of the safest cities unamerica because weir rar city of umgrants. 1 4 were born in another country. You make the state of texas, by extension the country a safer place by treating people with dignity and are spect, not militarizing communities, not adding near 20 billion a year woor with were spending on Border Security. I think el paso helpedset the example monday night. Dan crenshaws been very out spoken in favor of the border particularly. And he tweeted this. Im passing it along. He didnt txt me. If you could, would you take the wall down now . Knock it down . Yes. If theres a referendum in the city, that would pass . I do. Hes what we know after the secure fence act we have built 600 miles of wall and fencing on a 2,000 mile border. Its cost us 10s of billions to build and maintain and pushed Asylum Seekers and refugees to the most hostile stretches of the u. S. Mexico border, insuring their suffering and death. More than 4,000 human beings, women, children, dead, not in cages, as we have walled off their opportunity legally petition for asylum, to cross in urban centers like el paso, to be with family, to work jobs, to do what any human being should have a right to do, what we would do face would the same circumstances. What im haring is more ambitious than just we shouldnt build a wall. It sounds luke youre saying the kinds of ways, starting post 9 11, cvp, work force has gone up, spending has gone up. You say you dont think any of that has been good for the country . Its perverse. The response to legitimate concerns and problems. International terrorism orchestrated by al qaeda, carried out by people from saudi arabia, we punish people from mexico, deport 400,000 mexican nationals from a response to 9 11. Wall off 600 miles of the u. S. mx co border precisely zero terrirists or terririst organizations have used the border to attack a sidge american. So we do this whether its the war on terrier, the war on drugs. We project our fears and anxieties el paso and punish the people who love here. Theres no reason to do that. But it is the fear and the ang zu zity that is stoked by people who frankly should know better. Father of three. Hope you have valentines day plans i do. Were going to see will

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