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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes June 16, 2020

Situation before he failed a sobriety test and the police decided to arrest him. Video also shows he grabbed the officers taser as he struggled and then he ran away. As police pursued him, he fired the taser in their direction while continues to run away. Then police shot him in the back two times. The officer who shot Rayshard Brooks has been fired. Another officer on the scene has been put on administrative leave and the citys police chief has resigned. It was only three weeks ago today that a Police Officer in minneapolis knelt on the neck of george floyd for almost nine minutes choking him to death. That incident sparked protests not just across the country but across the globe, which is why what transpired in atlanta is upsetting and confusing because unless those Police Officers were under a rock, they should have known about whats been going on for weeks now. Day after day people protesting Police Brutality, and, yet, it happened again. Rayshard brooks was not a threat to anyone until they went to arrest him. I grew up in a place in toronto where sometimes if you failed a sobriety test sometimes the police would give you a taxi token to get home. Being asleep behind the wheel is not a violent offense. We have all heard of the dangers of driving while black. Now we can add sleeping while black to that. But now we are starting to see Police Departments across the country respond to these calls for change. For example, in San Francisco, the mayor announced the police will no longer be sent for noncriminal calls. In new york, Governor Andrew Cuomo just signed a Police Reform bill, a huge one, which includes requiring police to report a weapons discharge after two hours. But these measures are all too late for Rayshard Brooks and his family. They might get justice, but theyll never get him back. He was a loving husband, Caring Brother and most importantly to me an uncle i could depend on. Rayshard brooks was silly. He had the brightest smile and the biggest heart and loved to dance since we were kids. Tomorrow were going to have to deal with it again. Were going to have to bear and were going to have to say we miss you and if we didnt say we love you enough, we got to apologize to him for not telling him that we loved him that much. I can never get my husband back. I can never get my best friend. I can never tell my daughter, oh, hes coming to take you to swimming lessons. So its just going to be a long time before i heal. It is going to be a long time before this family heals. Its going to be a long time before this family heals. Joining me now morgan chesky, who is live in atlanta. Morgan, what is the situation there . Reporter the situation is as the sun goes down in atlanta tonight, we are seeing what probably is the largest amount of people that have come out today in a peaceful protest following the death of mr. Brooks on friday night. And behind me right at centennial park, we have several dozen people gathered here today honoring the life of mr. Brooks, showing respect but also amidst all this they are calling for justice, and that is the main message that everyone has been putting forth today, that massive march that took place on the capital steps this morning had thousands of people calling for Police Reform, calling for a change in how communities operate when it comes to Law Enforcement. And people are already seeing serious changes as a result of that here in this city. We saw the resignation of the police chief over the weekend. We did see that officer who pulled the trigger be fired. We heard the Fulton County District Attorney say that he anticipates to prosecute one or both of those officers and press charges of manslaughter or murder, and those charges should be filed by some time midweek. Since then, we have heard from the mayor of atlanta today who says that there is no time to waste. Change has to start immediately, and thats why she signed an executive order that will take under review how this department uses use of force in the field when an officer will come into contact with someone the way in which we have now seen that video play out. 40 minutes of a peaceful encounter that then ended in a fatale gunfire. So not only will use of force be reviewed, they will also have hopefully every officer have to undergo a deescalation training, which is currently not on the books here for atlanta pd. These crowds, ali, are calling for the same things we saw in minneapolis weeks ago saying they need to divert funds from the Police Department to more Community Programs that they feel will make them a safer place to live because right now trust absolutely still compromised between the community and Law Enforcement. Ali . Morgan, im sorry to talk to you as often as i am about these things, but thank you for your continued excellent reporting. I want to bring in Chris Stewart, an attorney for the family of Rayshard Brooks, and mr. Stewart, im sorry to have to talk to you again. Before we talk about the things that may happen and the changes that may occur, i want to talk about that event you were at with Rayshard Brooks family earlier today. This is the sort of message that americans dont get to see, that these People Killed by police are people with lives, with families, with children. He had three daughters and a stepson. And his life is gone. He was asleep behind the wheel, no impediment to anybody except somebody trying to get through a drive through at wendys, and now hes dead. How do you make sense of this, chris . Thats why it is important that we introduce the family to the world today. Look, everybody is going to argue back and forth about the shooting, the technicalities, the laws, the confrontation, and people are going to go back and forth about that. But they have to see that real families are impacted and suffer losses in these situations, and thats why the community and thats why people are so upset, is they look at that person like an uncle or a father or a brother. And you go watch the pain in even his cousins face today, in tears at the loss. Heres the thing, chris, we have had this conversation before. You have represented other families. In fact, you are representing George Floyds daughter. At some juncture, the strange part about the last three weeks is you would think you would see police on their best behavior in america. Yet, we have not seen that with the protests. We have not seen that with the rubber bullets or the tear gas or batons and the arrests. But you would think that these two cops in atlanta know whats going on in this country. At what point is this not about policy but about culture . Thats exactly right. Policy changes are great. And a lot of cities are trying to do that right now, but it is the mentality of policing that has to change right now. Its the sense of respect and empathy and caring about the community that youre policing that we have to get back to. And i know that its possible. I know there are some officers out there that truly care. We just have to that has to be highlighted and not the aggression. Chris stewart, what does i dont even know how to ask you this question. What does success look like to you in these cases, in the case of Rayshard Brooks and in the other cases, the case of george floyd and the other ones you represented because there is justice to be had somewhere, one thinks. But these lives dont come back. And until we stop cheapening the lives of africanamerican people of color in this country, what does success look like to you . Thats the big question. I used to think that i could define it. It was winning the case, the civil case for the family or getting an officer that murdered somebody arrested or getting one policy change or Something Like that. But, you know, the only justice that i really see or believe in now is a full systematic change where unity is created between policing and the community, where positive policing and the positive Police Officers are highlighted and that culture takes over, where the interaction is, hey, man, take an uber home or walk home and not let me throw these cuffs on you even though you are not even driving. Do you think that the reaction that you have seen in your city from your mayor and from the police chief i actually had some people say theyre sorry to see that police chief gone because she was reform minded. I worked with chief shields a lot before and have had positive experiences with her. And, you know, i still havent gotten clarity on her stepping down. I have respect for chief shields. I think that our mayor is doing what she can. You know, its hard to get change. You know, you have to take on the unions. You have to take on officers that dont want change. You know, with the civil rights movement, people fought change. So, you know, i salute the mayors and the governors and people that are pushing change and policy reform. But its really about the people, the people out there in the community, white, black, coming together to try and just fix this so we can have a better society. You talk about unity between police and the communities that they police. On saturday night, your colleague, another attorney, spoke after you, and he talked about the fact that he doesnt want police to be scared when they have these interactions with black men. There is nothing that should have scared the police about their interaction with Rayshard Brooks that caused them to want to arrest him, to put him in cuffs even if there was some charge to be had and then to shoot him. How do you get there . Crazy enough, i have had situations where i fostered a Good Relationship with, you know, Police Officers. And i had a young officer tell me that in his training following an older officer on one side of town, a predominantly white affluent side of town, you behaved a certain way and interacted with people if you pulled them over. On another side of town, you took a more aggressive tone and nature and acted different. And its that behavior that becomes engrained that when you are dealing with africanamericans or the poor that you have to be aggressive or you have to be authoritarian. When thats not the case. Chris stewart, thank you for joining me again tonight. The attorney for the family of Rayshard Brooks. Thank you, sir. Joining me now is senator doug jones. Democrat of alabama. Senator, good to have you here. Thank you for being here. We have so much to discuss, and we rarely talk. But i do have to continue this particular conversation. We have a moment in our country right now, and as Chris Stewart talked about, sometimes the solution to this is going to have to come from a reeducation of everybody involved, white people, police. Were going to have to figure out something thats not just about the things that you are trying to get done in the senate but a way that police and their communities were linked to each other. No, i dont think there is any question about that, ali. Thanks for having me tonight. Look, were talking and focussing on the police and Law Enforcement because those are what we see on our cameras and our videos and on the nightly news. But the fact of the matter is it is a much broader cultural discussion that we have to have that goes way beyond just Law Enforcement. We need to talk about health care disparities. We need to talk about the 140 million of those in poverty and low income in this country. We need to have a much broader not just discussion but call to action. I do think were all that moment. Just like i spoke a couple of weeks ago in the shadow of 16th street baptist church, those events woke a conscious of america. I mean, and a congress. I think thats whats happened now. We are at that moment in history where voices are being heard and people are recognizing the voices and seeing things that they have refused to see for so, so long. And, senator, this needs to not be partisan. And there are efforts in the house and the senate. In fact, to my eyes, surprisingly bipartisan because people are realizing that something needs to be done. There is an effort that House Democrats have put forward, the justice in policing act. Your senator colleague, senator tim scott, is leading a different effort. Theyre not entirely over lapping. What is your sense of how the Senate Moves Forward on this . Well, im hoping that we can get some bipartisan agreement on that. I think, you know, the house bill that was introduced was also introduced in the senate. Senator harris and senator burk are leading that. Im a cosponsor of that bill. Its a good bill. I think there will be some overlap with what senator scott says. The fact that you have got republicans in the United States senate that are introducing that bill at all i think is an important step. We need to talk about things. We need to see where we can find Common Ground and hopefully get something done. I think people in the United States senate and the congress are seeing this as an opportunity that we havent had in a couple of generations to really move the needle forward and get something done, and that could help change so many other aspects in america. Senator, i want to talk to you about something you experience in the south more than we do here in the north. And it is this conversation about confederate statues and military bases. This weekend, former senator Jeff Sessions is trying to get his old seat back, voted to remove the names of every soldier who fought for the confederacy betrays the decency whose courage and duty reached the boast sides. Naming u. S. Bases for those who fought for the south was seen as an act of respect and conciliation to those who were called to duty by the states. Talk to me about that. You know, look, first of all, ali, let me just think. My response to Jeff Sessions on that was basically hes not on the right side of history when it comes to the confederacy. Never has been, never will be. And i want to thank everybody that supported me in that little twitter spat. I really appreciated that. But the fact of the matter is this is an important step, and the vote that came out of the Senate Armed Services committee controlled by republicans on a bipartisan vote was an important step. There are republicans in the congress and the senate right now saying its time. Time to take those actions. By the way, and i dont think people actually remember the fact that there were only, you know, there were only 11 states or so in the confederacy, but there are confederate monuments across this country in 31 states. So i think it is important to remember that these monuments were erected as part of jim crow and it is a part of the fight against civil rights and the integration and inequality for all africanamericans in this country. And for all black folks in this country. I point people to the speech of Alexander Stevens in texas on march 21st, 1861, in which he lays out the underpinnings of the confederacy as being based in slavery. I want to talk to you about the pandemic. Alabama is being hard hit. Yesterday if state added more than a thousand cases. This the is the fourth consecutive day where the state added a Record Number of cases. What do we do about this . Well, i think everybody has to Pay Attention to whats going on. You know, our governor, i thought, did a good job as compared to some of the other southern governors, especially with trying to open up alabama slowly. She kept giving the messages and our Health Experts and Public Officials have been saying to folks, please wear masks. Please social distance. People are not heeding those requests. Theyre opening up and pretending like nothing has ever happened. And were seeing it is not a coincidence all this is happening two weeks after memorial weekend when everything was just seemed to be wide open in alabama. Look, the only way to fight this pandemic right now is to social distance, wear a mask, try to, you know, sanitize hands, wash your hands as much as you can. It is the only way were going to keep this under control. And if people will do that, i dont think that thats inconsistent with trying to open folks up. It will save lives but we can also save livelihoods by trying to do this smart, efficient and follow the data. I hope people in alabama will Pay Attention to that going into the summer. Senator, good to see you. Thank you for joining me again tonight. Senator doug jones of alabama. Coming up next, the fda stunning reversal on the pandemic treatment that President Trump has been pushing. Dr. Emanuel on the hydroxychloroquine headline and the alarming rise in covid cases across several states. Audible is my roadtrip companion. Its kind of my quiet, alone time. Audible is a routine for me. Its like a fun night school for adults. I could easily be seduced into locking myself into a place where i do nothing but listen to books. I never was interested in historical fiction before, but im obsessed with it now. There are a lot of like, classic and big titles that i feel like i missed out since i dont have time to read, mean i might as well listen. If i want to catch up on the news or history or learn whats going on in the world, i can download a book and listen to it. 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