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He said a future is only possible if your nations drive out the terrorists and drive out the extremists. Drive them out. Drive them out of your places of worship. Drive them out of your communities. Drive them out of your holy land and drive them out of this earth. Good afternoon and welcome to a. M. Joy at a special time. President trump went to saudi arabia and called on the leaders of 50 majority countries calling on them to help with terrorism in their countries. Although he used the terms extremist terror, he did not use the term islamic terrorism. Which is interesting considering what he said as a candidate. Anyone who cannot name our enemy is not fit to lead this country. Anyone who cannot condemn the hatred, oppression and violence of radical islam lacks the moral clarity to serve as our president. And joining me now, msnbc anchor ahim obedeen, dean obadiah. Ill start on my left. Dean . Mel gibson lectures jews, well have paula deen and duke lecture islams. The fact that donald trump went over to speak about islam is laughable. He made a great point, 95 of the victims of terrorism are muslims, but if he had given this speech during the campaign where he praised muslims, praised Muslim Leaders, he never would have gotten the g nomination because he needed to undignify muslims to get that nomination. Trump is speaking to Muslim Leaders, hes not speaking to muslim people. Its a very top down approach to this issue which the problem here is that the saudis arent clamping down or the gulf states arent clamping down, but he didnt really appeal at all to the 6 billion muslims around the world to suggest that he doesnt really hate muslims like hes said for the last two years. I think its little on substance. Were not hearing anything new. This isnt a departure on american policy. I cant remember how many times the u. S. Has said were going to combat terrorism with the gulf countries. If youre looking for substantive policy, clear vision, anything that is going to be definitive, i would say i did not see anything particularly new about this. Its the same tone we have heard from subsequent american administrations. I think its ironic you had a president say were not going to lecture other countries about how they do business, but then they got a government they didnt deserve. It sounds like a regime change in iran. So i think there is a loft irt irony in parts of this speech which is, given what we heard on the campaign trail, fell somewhat short. Ironic since they just had an election. There was a moment we breathe a sigh of relief that he didnt say anything too outrageous, he wasnt too terribly insulting. He basically gave a speech of an american speaking to muslim countries which is condescending on the face of it. It was a very transactional speech, in my opinion. It almost sounded like he was having a business conference, and this comes on the wake of Jared Kushner negotiating that 1 billion deal to sell military equipment to the saudi leadership. Here is a clip of what i think the bottom line of the speech was and what trump was talking suspended realism. Take a listen. We are adopting a principal realism rooted in common values, shared interests and common sense. We will make decisions based on real world outcomes, not in f x inflexible idealogy. We will be guided by the lessons of experience, not the confines of rigid thinking. And wherever possible, we will seek gradual reforms, not sudden intervention. We must seek partners, not perfection. Anybody who is familiar with the history of saudi aramco, of the oil deals going back to the 1930s with the United States would sort of understand this as the language of transaction. Its trump saying, im here to do business with these leaders and im not going to worry about think thaet kits kind of a mistake, right . One thing weve seen over and over again is we have countries where there has been oppression of human rights, where there has been conflict, there has been civil war. To completely ignore those issues in a shortterm bid to get close to the saudis is actually not productive in the long term. Its something leaders have done again and again in different parts of the world, which is shore up a strong man, ignore Human Rights Violations to keep a lid on things, and you can never keep a lid on things forever. Weve seen that again and again and its just like we dont want to learn the lessons of history. But it feels like its going back to the time when, as long as its our strong man. Whether it was saddam hussein, the old world egypt before we turned on that. This goes back to the realism where we dont care about your country, we just want to do business. We had Rex Tillerson say a couple weeks ago that all this human rights stuff is basically not relevant to the kind of Foreign Policy were going to be seeing, and some republicans are still grasping at straws and saying, no, because we saw 59 tomahawk missiles go toward syria, this is actually actionbased Foreign Policy, there is no evidence of that. There is sort of a deemed element that donald trump is t not he says were going to build a wall, but when hes in front of the foreign minister, he leaves out tough talk about building a wall. Hell tell others your actions are terrible, but when hes in the church, heompletely bac down and softens. This is trump talking about during the campaign about muslims and islam as opposed to today. Donald j. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the United States until our countrys representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. I think islam hates us. Theres something there that is a tremendous hatred there. That rhetoric wasnt in there today. Obviously youre not going to go to the heart of islam, saudi arabia, and say that, islam hates us, but its quite a climb ho climbdown. Islam doesnt hate us. I hate donald trump. I happen to be islam and its principle. Coming there to say muslims are rapists, to things like 34 of muslims in the world want to kill americans. He said that on fox news. Does that mean one of three people he met there want to kill americans . Im upset in the way muslim leader, these are foreign leaders, didnt call him out. I wonder if they privately have done that. There is anger at donald trump as well as Muslim Leaders for not calling out donald trump and giving open arms to this beautiful welcome. Instead of saying, hey, you have power, we dont. Donald trump is all about america first. He should start with Muslim Americans who he demonized here before going over there for money to kiss their ring. Donald trump curtsying and the horsedrawn carriages greeting him like a king. You cant read the part in the upper lefthand corner, but its literally talking about the glowing welcome he received. And yet some of those were on the travel ban. Iran not invited, not in the room, but they were right at the top of the countries trump wants to ban. Syria, yemen,. He doesnt defend americans in front of them, i guess is aymans point. And if you talk about the Boston Marathon bombing, 9 11, he cited three attacks on american soil but totally ignoring the fact there is a whole other dynamic to terrorism in the fbi. So he could have said we have terrorism, we have homegrown terrorism, sandy hook, whatever, charleston massacre. We need to deal with this so were all in it together. He went there and said, muslim countries, you have to drive them out. Were victim to what you essentially are allowing to take place. I think that is going to fall on deaf ears, particularly with the muslim populations. I think that was a very important point, that the muslim world which is not monolithic and not represented by just the leaders of those countries, many of whom arent even democratically elected, they dont necessarily speak for the muslims, and thats why what youre seeing today will be more of a gesture than it will to produce any tangible impact in fighting terrorism. Really quickly, i think what you saw and where this deal is more transactional, is because both the saudi king used very harsh words against the iranian government and President Trump echoed those very strong words against iran. What youre seeing here is a deal being forged. The saudis, the gulf countries, are willing to invest heavily in the United States, throw out these red carpet galas and what have you and give the president of the United States a medal. But in exchange they need to see tough talk on iran and a change in policy, and thats going to be dangerous for the region. I think that is sort of the bottom line, that the saudis and the iranians are locked in this sort of battle in that region, the u. S. Saying they will stand by saudi arabia, which even talking about infrastructure developments in the United States, pouring billions of dollars into lockheed martin. Do you think it was a missed opportunity, ahabism, which most American People are not familiar with, took islam and made it weaponized in a lot of ways. It comes out of saudi arabia. The kingdom is accused of fermenting that idealogy and spread it around the world. I dont think it was a missed opportunity in that sense, because if you imagine donald trump speaking in saudi arabia about the need to fight ahabism, i think that would the universe would implode . It would be painful, and it would be beyond hypocritical. In that sense im relieved he didnt try to go that way. Absolutely. Dont punch above your weight class, i think is what they were saying to donald trump, and he did not today. 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Theres been so many lies, so many contradictions, and i think documents will help us to ferret out exactly whats the truth and whats a lie. And so im hoping that the chairman will issue subpoenas so that we can get every document, because i think thats what we need. Well, donald trump is traveling abroad. The investigations go on back here at home. Just this weekend, there have been new developments. As the Washington Post first reported, the Russian Investigation has reported an asyetunnamed Current White House official as a significant person of interest. The New York Times reports that Trump Campaign adviser Michael Caputo has been asked by the house to submit to an interview and provide documents related to its inquiring. Joining me now, political analyst joan walsh, commentator hagland and jack wright. Im going to start with you, jack. The grownup of the administration was put out to begin the talking points about what happened in that infamous oval office in the meeting with donald trump they had. This is general mcmasters trying to explain himself further, and he was asked whether or not donald trump actually confronted the russians in that meeting on the election. Take a listen. Did the president confront them on their interference in our election . This was their first meeting. There already was too much thats been leaked from those meetings. Did the president couldnnfro the russians on their interference in our election . Im not going to divulge more of that meeting. So, jack, its obvious why the administration wants to put mr. Mcmaster out there as its face right now, but what do you make of his responses . It really speaks for itself, doesnt it . If you look at where donald trump has been during the election cycle and then as president , he ran antiestablishment, but my fear is that hes running and hes actually ruling antiamerican. Lets look at what he did with the russians, lets look at what he did with highly classified information where he pentially burned assets, lets look at his approach. And the fear right now is that were getting very Little Information and cooperation, and what we get is usually undermined by the president within a couple of hours of some statement thats being released by somebody. So a lot of people have a lot of questions. There are a lot of notes that need to be received. Jonathan, also of concern is the one person with real credibility among not just members of the media but the public is h. R. Mcmaster and little by little theyre colin powelling him, like the Bush Administration did saying colin powell has the highest ratings. Were going to put him out there to answer the questions. The question is whether he, the National Security adviser, was consulted before donald trump made commentary to the foreign minister about james comey. Take a listen. When he gave that information to the russians about interfering in our campaign, he didnt even ask for your advice. George, what i would like to talk about is where i am right now, in saudi arabia. Did the president ask your advice about this before he talked about james comey . The president always asks for advice before these sorts of sessions, but the subject of the fbi investigation, to my recollection, didnt come up. Jonathan, has h. R. Mcmaster been damaged at all by this situation . Oh, absolutely. Without question. Poor h. R. Mcmaster. He looks like hes in a bit of a hostage video there. Here is a man who had a sterling reputation before he took that position. And now finds himself in a situation ere hes having to defend the commander in chief fo not doing what previous commanders in chief have done when going toe to toe with the russians. Sure, there are lots of things that american president s want to try to work with russia on, but none of President Trumps successors has ever deluded themselves into thinking russia was a friend. Now you have h. R. Mcmaster, National Security adviser, sterling reputation having to ask questions, answer questions, in this case not answer questions about whether the president of the United States disrupted sovereignty with russia who stand accused of interfering in our election, and then being asked whether he was consulted by the president about what to say if the comey situation came up. And then what we havent talked about is what did mcmaster say if and when that did happen in the oval office . H. R. Mcmaster is in an impossible situation right now. So are a lot of people in the Trump Administration, quite frankly. And joan, youve heard all these powers of intrigue that have come out, one saying President Trump is frustrated with general mcmaster, that hes a pain, quote, unquote, but at the same time mcmaster seems to have had a great deal of influence over what was said inside saudi arabia today. It almost sounded like the old Bush Administration not d denigreden denigrating them as a faith. Can it be lting if hes being pushed into telling these kinds of stories . No, he cant, because its just something we dont believe. Every time trump gets near, he is dragging mcmaster with him. He tried to change the conversation with stefanopolous, but he also later in the interview tried to defend trumps remarks about comey as sort of, well, hes trying to get himself more latitude to be able to discuss things with the russians, hes trying to put this beh