Today we celebrate our independent days. Good morning and welcome to a. M. Joy. Today, after spending a couple of hours with us, of course, many of you will be beginning your preparations to celebrate our Independence Day. For many of thaw means the usual, clean off the grill, stake out a spot to watch the fireworks and wrap yourself in the good old red, white and blue, but this fourth of july demands of us something beyond the routine because this Independence Day our president is not a fictional handsome dashing alien fighting leader with a rousing message of unity and resist an. Our president is donald trump. Who instead has this message about aliens and Independence Day. This legislation presents a simple choice. Either vote to save and protect american lives or vote to shield and comfort criminal aliens who threaten innocent lives, and theyve been shielded too long. As we head toward the fourth of july, we remember now more than ever to cherish our freedom. Not quite the same. So this holiday, the Trump Presidency compels us to confront some very serious questions about the substance and not just the symbolism of what it means to be a patriot. How do we commemorate our independence from a foreign power when our president cries fake news in response to facts that a foreign power has undermined our democracy . How do we bask in the glow of fireworks illuminating the statue of liberty when our president rejects her welcome to the huddled masses yearning to breathe free. How do we honor the selfevident truths about americans right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness when the congress is controled mostly by men pulling out all the stops to force through a policy put the lives of 22 million fellow americans in jeopardy by taking away their health care. In the de when a long train of abuses and usurpations pursuing invariably the same object econvinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government. Now it leads not to the throne of a king but to the door of the white house, how do we do our duty as modern day patriots and respond in joining me is a great panel, msnbc political analyst joan walsh, nbc news contributor anand gary dardask and rob reiner. Rob you have the disadvantage are not being at the desk. I know youre working on a movie about lbj so youre think being president s and what they mean symbolically. When you think about this moment in history, is it a direction, and how do we sort of deal with it when looking at fourth of july and thinking about our patriotic selves . Well, its kind of scary, because it could be a direction that were taking, and we fought for our freedom and for democracy 240 some odd years ago and this is the first time in our history that we have a president who is not fighting for democracy, and is not fighting to keep us safe. Weve been attacked by a foreign enemy power, and he refuses to acknowledge it, and he turns his back to it. So this is a very scary time for us. I mean, this president is either frightened of what the probe into this attack might reveal in terms of making him illegitimate or hes worried that crimes that hes committed have been e exposed. I suggest it could be both, but whatever it is, ive never, as an american, felt so unsafe, and ive said this. You know, i wasnt a big supporter of george w. Bush. I didnt agree with a lot of his policies, but when we were attacked on 9 11, i never doubted for a second that his Main Objective was to keep us safe. This is the first time weve had a president who i believe is only interested in his own wellbeing and not interested in the wellbeing of the country. And joan, you are nodding because it is a strange sort of thing that the president literally refuses to acknowledge that our greatest sworn adversary is even an adversary at all and wont do anything about russias intrusions on our sovereignty. He doesnt want, to doesnt take it seriously and that is really disturbing. We learned about that this week. Even if you doubt, even if you know in your heart, which he probably doesnt, that you have nothing to fear, its not about getting you elected or defeating hillary. Its about how did they get into our systems. Was there any tampering with the voting rolls theres some talk about that now and how do we ensure that doesnt happen in 2018 and 2020. Thats a National Security issue an issue about protecting democracy and he shows absolutely no interest. No one in the administration can get him interested in doing anything about it. And yet anand he has certain fears he wants to project onto the country and quite frankly a lot of his voters share with him. One of them is this sense immigrants are overrunning the country, a certain kind of immigrant is overrunning the country. You did a really fascinating tweet storm, i retweeted it this morning our show account will hopefully retweet it now where you talked about the sort of interesting find in the muslim ban that might sort of dovetail with the antiimmigrant fears. Can you explain . The president has tried many times to dip and double dip and triple dip in this kind of muslim ban gotten chastened by the courts and when he was chastened by the Supreme Court and given a little guidance about a kind of muslim ban that would work, they required him to define who would be bona fide connections to the United States, and who would be bona fide family connections. This put the United States government in the position of defining family as a formal policy statement this week. And which relatives count as relatives and which dont . And the list was very interesting, because the list of now allowed legitimate family as defined by the u. S. Government is filled with the kinds of relatives beyond the obvious nuclear ones who are prevalent in countries with high divorce rates, which is great. Thats fine. On the not allowed list are lots of types of relatives that are more prevalent in asia, latin america, africa, where aunts and cousins and grandparents are almost considered part of the nuclear family, so it struck me in addition to the muslim ban, a deeper long range thing happened this week, laying the groundwork with the United States government saying what is considered family in much of the nonwhite world is not going to be considered admissible to the United States perhaps over a much longer period of time. And we just put that, this is cut back up element nine allowed is parents, stepparents, spouse, fiance, child, son or daughterinlaw, parentinlaw, sibling and half sibling and step siblings can get in. Not allowed grandparent, grandchild, aunt, uncle, niece, nephew, cousin, brother or sisterinlaw, or any extended Family Member. Basically most of the people my mother brought here from guyana. Also part of this tweet storm there is the map. Can you explain what were seeing in the map . The dark parts of that map are where the divorce rate is high and that has a lot to do with just economic development, and so places where there are more likely to be stepparents and step siblings and half siblings and those things are the places that are dark and thats now going to be the definition of family by the United States government and those are mostly white countries. And the places where all the disallowed relations that you just listed are deeply important and embedded in peoples lives in india, where my family comes from, and so many other places are the mostly nonwhite countries. And so it just seems like in 1965, this country got over and repealed it and kind of created a new law that favored, that had favored only white immigrants, and got over that, thats why my family is here and many others are here, because we stopped favoring white immigrants. This seems like a back door over the long run to tilt immigration back in the direction of europe, australia, russia, a few places like that. Joan, youve written about history, the history of the shift among a lot of White Working Class americans from being new deal probig government essentially liberals to being very, very conservative by the time of Ronald Reagan. How much of it is this sense when they look at the world and the United States they see that browning of the country as somehow a threat to them . Well i think its inescapable thats part of it. The really Good Research thats taken place since the election shows that fear of a changing america is the number one factor that you can see drive really the divides, a white trump voter from a white nontrump voter, that its fears of brown people, fears of losing the majority, but you know whats also sad to me is that this cohort, i wrote about my Irish Catholic working class family, this cohort used to be so patriotic, and so much america, love it or leave it, things that i didnt like about it, but that was just so stirred by this countrys, what they perceived as its values and much of the same cohort is with donald trump dismissing the russia allegations, doing nothing to support the people who are trying to get answers, and i find this kind of relative, this relativity about well, you know, if my guy doesnt think its important or if my guy might even be threatened by it, then i dont care either. That is not patriotism. That is Something Else entirely. And you know, rob, you at the same time have this upside down talking about patriotism as a time when youre think being it, irish immigrants are very proud of the fact that when the great potato famine happened in ireland in the mid 19th century and i recally 20th century, people came here, and they werent wanted originally, jewish immigrants originally werent wanted. The only people who werent wanted, were my people who didnt want to be here, come here. Now you have Tucker Carlsson from fox news tweeting why does america benefit from having tons of people from failing countries come here . When you hear that, i dont know what to make of it . What do you make of it . It goes against everything that this country is based on, which is you know, a freedom and a welcoming of ideas of nonrepression, so that we can all come and think the way we want to think, pray the way we want to pray and live the way we want to live. Somebody tweeted back i remember with the Tucker Carlsson thing, you know, too bad a guy from syria came and otherwise ul youd have steve jobs. Weve all come from other countries except for the native americans, who we took the country from, and were all contributing to making the world great. And this is a great experiment, this wonderful experiment of democracy, and if we can prove that all of these varied colors and ideas and religions can all live together, what a great message to send to the world, that we are, in fact, all one, and thats what we hopefully can espouse as americans. America is an amalgom for people who go to a place theyve never been and survive the trip. Thank you very much. Up next, another blockbuster report broke overnight about possible collusion between the Trump Campaign and russia. Stay with us. vo a lifetime of your dogs nutritional needs. All in one. Purina one. Healthy energy, all in one. Strong muscles, all in one. 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In case you missed the date on that clip, that was malcolm nance on this show almost exactly one year ago, predicting the russiagate crisis that has engulfed the trump administration. In the year since, malcolm made those remarks, evidence has mounted russia meddled in our election to help get trump elected. Whether the republican president ial campaign cooperated in that attack is a matter of ongoing investigation, in this week the wall street journal reported the strongest evidence yet of possible collusion. Detailing how a gop operative, the now deceased peter w. Smith launched a quest to obtain emails he believed were stolen from Hillary Clintons private server while implying he was connected to Michael Flynn. Another wall street journal story that broke overnight revealed that smith also listed other senior members of Trumps Campaign in a recruitment document including steve ban none, Kellyanne Conway, and sam clovis. Senior adviser at the Agriculture Department now. The journal says theres no evidence smith sought information from the campaign officials. Author of the plot to hack america navid jamali former fbi double agent and author of how to catch a russian spy and former white house senior director, nayhira we have to get you a book. Malcolm ill let you say i told you so. I feel weve had the same conversation every week for a year. If it was so evident to you as a National Security professional that we were, that russiania was attempting to intervene in our election in order to steal it, in order to steal it for one candidate, why was it not evidence enough to our National Security structure for them to stop that from happening . Well, i think it was evident to the professionals inside the National Security infrastructure at that time. The u. S. Intelligence community was as we now know was hair on fire, and the reason that i made that statement, you might recall, we were at independence hall, was the previous week, all of these little indicators were coming up and bubbling up through the community that were showing that not only was russia doing something but they were handing it off to wikileaks, and you know, a few days earlier wikileaks said that they had all of the dnc documents, but we had been tracking the russians handling of those documents for almost two months so it became very clear that there was this handoff from one agency to the next, but john brennan was going around at that exact time telling everyone within government over that period and next eight weeks that the United States was under attack, precisely as i said it. So you know, its not, you know, prophesizing the future. Its just sheer professional intelligence analysis as carried out by the professionals, but the consumers refuse to believe it. Thats the important point the consumers particularly in the Trump Campaign. Navid the interesting thing that happened, we had this discussion and going back to you and i, this is the conversation we keep on having, which is at what point does the Trump Campaign become aware and knowledgeable of what russia is doing or convinced its happening and what do they do about it . Do they believe it . Do they believe it and try to take advantage of it . These two stories in the wall street journal and another piece by matt tate, first the wall street journal story investigators have examined reports from intelligence agencies that describe Russian Hackers discussing how to obtain emails from mrs. Clintons server, and then transmit them to mr. Flynn via an intermediary. This is clip one from my producers, matt tate, who is one of the unnamed sources in that story outs himself and says i am one of the sources in this story and he says this gentleman, mr. Smith, who is now dead, had not contacted him and he was studying the email hack itself for what Security Breaches happened and what the email hack itself of the dnc meant from an objective point of view, no the partisan. He said smith had not contacted me about the dnc hack but rather about his constriction that clintons private email server had been hacked in his view almost certainly both by the russian government and likely by multiple other hackers, too, and his desire to ensure that the fruits of those hacks were exposed prior to the election. He mentioned that he had been contacted by someone in the dark web who claimed to have a copy of emails from secretary clintons private server and he wanted me to help validate whether or not the emails were genuine. You have a theory what all of this means. Tell us