Thats a wrap for this hour of msnbc live. Ill see you at noon eastern. Reverend al sharpton is guest hosting on a. M. Joy. Take it away, rev. Hes contradicted the commitment he made when he did that campaign of what do you have to lose. We have to lose a voice, an advocate, someone who understands the issues and reach out to the community. We have a lot to lose and were losing because donald trump is disingenuous about his engagement and outreach and i believe he wants to start a race war in this country. Good morning and welcome to a. M. Joy. Im al sharpton in for joy reid. Omarosa manigaultnewman has rattled donald trump and the white house with her new book unhinged and her selective release of secret tapes. Earlier i spoke with omarosa and began by talking about the history of our relationship before she entered the white hous house. We have a long history, i served in the National Action network in los angeles and on the front line of the initiatives you were trying to push to help the community. When i went into the white house i wanted to extend that advocacy. Its very important to have somebody at the table and not allow them to make decisions about us without us so my intent was to make sure shafs a voisz advocating for ede inine ininei. They were dismantling every accomplish that president obama did i wanted to make sure that i was in there to make sure the things he worked for so we could advance but unfortunately i think you have known donald trump longer than i have, he has a very destructive spirit and what i saw within this first 100 days disturbed me greatly and thats why i wanted to write about in the unhinged. You said you came to understand this destruct i have spirit. Is donald trump in your mind a racist . Yes, donald trump is. And i have to tell you that i have always given him the benefit of the doubt. People ask me about when he was doing the birther movement. I had a chance to talk about it and he said the clintons started it and he was just using it for political reasons. Every time he had a type of issue with the community i was there. I was the person that could take him to task. The one thing i realized once i was in that he was disingenuous about his commitment to diversity. He could care less if africanamerican civil rights leaders, anyone came to the table because he had his agenda and that did not included a vancing and uniting 2 Africanamerican Community youll remember during the campaign he said what do you have to use . He called me and said he wanted to meet me and you called me and i said omarosa i wont be a prop. So i know what youre talking about. He tried to get you to convince me to come. So he talks one thing, oh, sharpton is a con man and privately get him to do this, get him to do that but its stage craft, not serious. Hes a performer. He did tell me get sharpton on the phone, i want to sit down with him. He said that privately but publicly he was trying to use you to get people to go against the advocacy work you were doing or even to go against the democrats so your instincts were right. I did call on you because i did need to have backup but i think what they quickly realized at the white house, they felt if the black community is against her, we can undermine everything shes doing so i was fighting on 2 inside and i understood what africanamericans may have been concerned about me being there but when you look at what ive talk about in my journey theyll realize i was getting tackled by my teammates everyday om that white house. Thats one of the chapter, tackled by your teammates. Is the New York Times right . Do you have more tapes, more emails, more videos . Is there more there . Absolutely. I have this huge 15year record with donald trump and im very good at documenting my life, things that happen but there areally things that were peculiar to me and i think i showed when i shared that tape of general kelly when he took me in the basement of the white house, into the situation room. Had i not had that tape rev it would be hard for peoplible the i was threatened by a four star general with things getting ugly or damage to my reputation. In trump World Everybody lies, its a culture of deceit. People turn on each other very, very quickly and you have to have documentation for everything you do. Even trump. In the morning he may say one thing, by the afternoon hes flipflopped so the question about whether or not i do, absolutely. I have this vast historical knowledge and relationship with donald trump, 15 years and ive been very good about documenting the revolution of that relationship which is what i put in my book unhinged. Will any of it be of interest to special investigators like mr. Mueller . I talk about having a meeting with him and i share whatever they need. Anything of interested, im fully cooperate with them. You are cooperating with the mueller information . Yes. Im sorry, my ear piece is popping out. I can hear you, rev. And youre willing to hand over anything that may be helpful, even if its corroborating things you may not know they need or missing piece . Absolutely. I will turn over all the things they need but i will turn over additional things that ive discovered as ive gone through the two years on the campaign so im willing to serve to continue the dialogue i started with them this spring. What do you think about the New York Times story this morning saying that the white House Counsel mcgahn has had all of these hours of talks with them . Do you think theres a potential for he and others to say wait a minute, im not taking the fall for donald trump here . It doesnt surprise me. Don mcgahn is a professional and his commitment is to the country, not to donald trump. I think its important for us to realize when we took that oath, and don mcgahn was an assistant to the president like me, we took the oath this to country and the constitution and not donald trump. Let me ask this. In terms of diversity in the white house, ive been in this a long time in civil rights, i cant think of a president that didnt have a black in the west wing and at least the discussions, in the Senior Administrative leadership until now. You were the most public face there and even there they didnt have they didnt want you in the meetings you insisted to be in as i read the book. Hes the first president that has outright excluded he can call me and other activists a racist. Hes the only one with a lily white inner circle. Am i right . Youre correct and its worse than people realize. There are 30 assistants to the president s, none representing the Africanamerican Community, there are sess as well as schedule cs that make up the appointments and the diversity in the agency is sparse and in fact when we submitted candidates they were rejected over and over again and i will tell you that they havent made an attempt to replace anyone to do the africanamerican outre h outreach. Hes contradicted the commitment he made of what do you have to lose. Clearly we have to lose a voice, an advocate, someone who understands the issues and knows how to reach out to community. We have a lot to lose and were losing now because donald trump is disingenuous about his engagement and outreach and i believe he wants to start a race war in this country. Wow. Let me ask you this, omarosa. You were attacked by many including me in terms of positions, nothing personal and you took the heat and you took being called a sellout and all and then you decided that you were going to come with this book, some say shes just selling books but you went way above and beyond just saying something, you advocated, how did you feel when you saw the president call you a low life and a dog after you had taken all of these arrows for him . When he called me that dog i thought that it was clear evidence, one, that he has no respect for the presidency. It was such a vulgar slur and can you just imagine if he would say that publicly what is he saying about me and other africanamericans privately . It makes the point that donald trump is not equipped to serve in the role he is in. I would say hes unfit to serve as the president of the United States. Hes taken the presidency to the gutter when he reduce this is Important Office to name calling, to being thin skinned, pulsive and in unhinged i assert he is on mental decline and that was on full display when he was attacking me over and over again and then he wanted to sic his entire legal team on me and my publisher but rev, im a soldier, im built for this and ready for this fight, im not intimidated or afraid of this president. I have an entire community of faith who is praying for me and undergirding everything im doing. At the end of the day the truth matters and we will come on the right side of this because africanamericans have endured much worse than donald trump. Well have more of my interview with omarosa later. Up next, you wont believe what Rudy Giuliani just said. Alice is living with metastatic Breast Cancer, which is Breast Cancer that has spread to other parts of her body. 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Lets start with collusion, the trump tower meeting itself is ed of collusion. Its not. How is it not . The meetings are attempting to you just said the meeting was intented to get dirt on a criminal lawyer. That was the intention of the meeting. It turned out to be a meeting about another subject and it was not pursued at all and any meeting with regard to getting information on your opponent is any candidates staff would take. If someone said i have information about your opponent you would take that meeting. From a russian citizen . They didnt know she was russian at the time. Im sure they knew she was russian. You asked me did they show an intention to do anything with the russian . All they knew is a woman with a russian name wanted to meet with them. They didnt know she was a representative of the russian government and shes not. So this is much ado about nothing. The president of the United States wasnt at that meet iing. He found out about it after. If this is their case for collusion, good luck mueller. Yes, that really happened. Joining us not, Natasha Bertrand, staff writer at t atlantic and joyce vance, former u. S. Attorney. According to Rudy Giuliani that someone says we have information against your opponent, according to him thats not collusion. What would you say . I would have to disagree with giuliani. Theres a clear statute that makes it illegal to accept a donation intended to influence a u. S. Campaign from a foreign citizen, not a foreign citizen who is part of that government, simply from a foreign citizen so just as a baseline before we talk about a conspiracy to collude with the russians, theres a Campaign Finance issue and giulianis claim that the campaign folks who met with ms. Veselnitskaya, there is indication that its someone who is well placed in government. This is giuliani doing what he says. Truth isnt truth. Richard, because weve heard it first, they were meeting about adoptions and wanting to deal with the whole question of adoptions then weve hearing this and that, now we are led to believe by giuliani this morning that the meeting was just a russian citizen who wanted to pass information that never passed it on. How could someone like that get Donald Trumps son, the chairman of his campaign, get all of these Major Players in his campaign to the table if that is all that was. Look at who was in the room, richard. Its quite obvious whats going on. Theres a quid pro quo here. Russia wanted lifting of the sanctions against russia in connection with the invasion of parts of the ukraine and was going to provide damaging information on Hillary Clinton. Thats what this is about. That is what everybody knew it was about. Thats why you have to top two people in the Trump Campaign there. It is very, very likely to be illegal and violation finance laws. But i was in the bush white hou house. Taking place between anyone in the Republican National committee or any campaign on the Russian National and that situation i would have called the fbi. I just finished running. I would have called the fbi. This is atrocious that this happened and that the president and his supporters continue to deny that it was collusion and very likely to be illegal collusion with a foreign power. It shocks me, the people in order to win an election are colluding a foreign adversarial power. Absolutely right. Natasha, one of the things that becomes mindboggling and i dont know if its their panicking at the white house or trying to spin so much that they want the public to get tired because they get confused with a different story everyday but they have given so many different stories as to why this meeting took place and what took place in the meeting but its clear the meeting happened with the top people in his Campaign Including his son and soninlaw in the room and that this meeting had weight otherwise they would not have had such top people there and i think that when you listen to omarosa earlier in the interview she did with me on politics nation they are just some very, very lets say destructive people in terms of how they behave and getting dirt on their opponent would fall in line with them. Right. I think their belief is that if they just spin the story and just continue to confuse the public about what happened by changing their stories so often that ultimately no one will know what happened and they wont believe anything they see or read and this is exactly what we saw giuliani doing when he claimed that the president never brought up Michael Flynn with the former fbi director james comey and that was a dramatic shift from what giuliani himself acknowledged in weeks prior. So this is another example of what hes doing which is trying to confuse and distract and of course its just a complete lie that the president s son did not know this was a russian government effort to provide information about clinton to the campaign because the email itself says in black and white this is part of the russian governments support for the president and his campaign. Rob gold stone, the music publicist, spelled it out pretty well in that email so theres no way they can say they didnt know. This idea that there was no followup, thats also false because Rob Goldstone was emailing dan scavino, the social media manager for the campaign, encouraging him to set up a social media page for the campaign and he said that was discussed at this meeting so that was another topic of discussion we didnt know about so its a drip drip coming out of this meeting and the infamous statement that donald trump first drafted about this meeting was, of course, false. He said this was an effort by Natalia Veselnitskaya to bring information about russian adoption policy and didnt mention anything about the dirt on clinton. Weve had so many different stories and joyce if you think thats confusing, let me show you what mr. Giuliani said about the truth this morning. When you tell me that he should testify because hes going to tell the truth and shouldnt worry, thats silly because its somebodys version of the truth, not the truth. He didnt have a conversation truth is truth. I dont mean no, truth isnt truth. The president of the United States says i didnt truth isnt truth. Mr. Mayor, do you realize what i think this is going to become a bad meme. Dont do this to me. Dont do truth isnt truth to me. Donald trump says i didnt talk about flynn with comey. Comey says you did talk about it. Tell me what the truth is. Don mcgahn might know. If youre such a genius don mcgahn doesnt know. Joyce, help me, please. Truth isnt truth. Ive been a preacher a long time. Ive never heard truth isnt truth. What does that mean . Thats not even rational. If you have to resort to truth isnt truth, particularly as a lawyer, youre in a dark place, youre in a place where you know your client is in a lot of trouble because we know there is a truth and when two witnesses tell different stories in an investigation the job is to look at evidence that corroborates one version or the other but trump tried to maintain that the truth is what he says the truth is. A couple weeks ago he said you cant believe what you s