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MSNBCW AM Joy January 27, 2019

Happen, the president was forced to cave on what was the core promise of his campaign. A border wall stretching across the southern border that mexico would pay for. In an attempt to water down what could be viewed as a major defeat for donald trump and republicans, trump insists the wall will still happen and 19 days from now if Congress Still refuses to produce a bill making American Taxpayers Fund a border wall, trump says hell either shut down the government again, weaponizing the livelihoods of thousands, tens of thousands of federal workers because it worked so well from the last time or trump says hell declare a National Emergency to build the wall. In the past its been used in times of war or genuine public emergency. If we dont get a fair deal from congress, the government will either shut down on february 15th again or i will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the constitution of the United States to address this emergency. It should be noted there is no border crisis according to u. S. Customs and Border Protection statistics, border crossings by undocumented migrants are at near record lows joining me now, Natasha Bertrand from the atlantic, gabe sherman from vanity fair, jason johnson, politics editor at the root and Jennifer Ruben, opinion writer from the Washington Post. Gabe, it is definitive two things are clear number one, donald trump and republicans took the blame for the previous shutdown. Here is the latest polling january 20 to 23 50 blame trump. 37 blame the republicans. The other thing thats clear statistically, americans dont want a border wall 45 in favor, 52 opposed. No matter who you poll the strategy didnt work. Yeah. The end product isnt wanted. Yeah. In your reporting is the white house really determined to even use the National Emergency act to try to force this policy on the American People thats a great question there is a debate inside the white house. Clearly there is pressure from the right. There is some wings of Donald Trumps base that want it. The other problem is if he does declare the state of emergency it sets a precedent that republicans are scared of that in future administrations president s could say Climate Change is a National Emergency we need extraordinary powers. Right. The pressure is for him not to do this he has zero options. He didnt get his wall the only card he has left to play is one that his own administration doesnt want him to. Well talk about the National Emergency powers in a minute to be clear, donald trump is in a weak negotiating position now. He did just give up the entire point of the 35day shutdown by signing a bill that doesnt have wall funding so thats clear. His antagonist in this, nancy pelosi, the house speaker, i dont know how she could be more clear. Even journalists dont seem to get it yet here she is sparring on the point of whether or not this idea of funding the wall will happen take a listen. Are you no longer ruling out any money for the wall are you now open for money for the wall have i not been clear on the wall you have not been. I have been very clear on the wall. Whats interesting is im not sure at this point who wants this wall more the media or the right. There is this consistent drumbeat about democrats are you going to give them money for the wall why wont you . Is there going to be money for the wall it doesnt seem to be going away in your reporting is there any chance that democrats will suddenly wake up one morning and decide they want to give donald trump a doumt on what could be 50 billion, 70 million, whatever for a wall. He already caved. Why would they now they know he has no leverage they hold all of the cards the reason it worked is democrats stayed unified republicans did not. Republicans, we saw the first cracks in their unity last week. Six Senate Republicans voted with democrats to reopen the government democrats know now and Speaker Pelosi has been skillful at keeping them together. All they have to do is stay firm for a little bit longer and theyre going to get their way the president has already proven that hes willing to back down on this. The only people that are going to start to pester and annoy him are people like ann coulter and lou dobbs. The democrats dont have anything to fear now i think as long as they stay firm on this then they realize they have all the leverage Mitch Mcconnell was chewed out last week at a meeting by Senate Republicans saying, you got us into this. Its not the president that decides what the Public Perception is. Its the public. The public was upset blaming republicans for it not democrats. Of course it means democrats have all the leverage. The way schoolhouse rock taught us that politics works is if you want something. If you want appropriation, the house of representatives would have to pass it. The house is controlled by the party whose speaker said, i dont know how many other ways i can tell you no. You would need 60 votes in the senate to pass it. Republicans just lost six of them on whether or not to keep the government shut down in order to fund a wall the next vote probably would have been 16 or 20 of them theyre going to start to fade i am curious as to why we are still debating a policy thats not wanted, unpopular and only donald trump and ann coulter know about. You have people on the right who believe the fantasy. People in the press who dont believe in the speaker like nancy pelosi made it clear shes the breaker of walls t slayer of trump. There wont be a wall. That wont happen. People keep asking because they assume the democrats will flake at some point. We are talking about nancy pelosi, not chuck schumer. They assume based on what on what are the media basing the idea that suddenly democrats will give in to a policy on which they have already won . One, because i think there is precedent in the past for democrats folding to trump precedent saying there is wiggle room here. People want it to be a story as grotesque as it is there are over a Million People held hostage and suffering. There are analysts who believe the discussion of the wall is just an interesting story we should be talking about as opposed to an indicator of a racist monument used to hold a Million People hostage there is no movement on this i dont think the president will declare a National Emergency thats a nonstarter. Mitch mcconnell has to gain a spine, sit down quietly with the president to say this cant happen take 5 million in Border Security well give you flowers for a border to create, but a wall isnt going to happen. The sooner the press stops spreading the story we can move on. I agree with that assessment. Jennifer, the other aspect of this that could be just an interesting washington story that would have real world consequences is the idea of a National Emergency trump keeps throwing out that hell do it. He had a public address where he could have declared it and did not. Members of his own party say this is a bad idea it would set a precedent Previous National emergencies include theiranian hostage crisis, 9 11, swine flu outbreak, violence and atrocities in the democratic republic of con go, the cuban missile crisis number two, it is not just a thing you can do it is bounded by the National Emergencies act of 1976 which gives the president discretion he has to notify congress and specify which power he intends to use congress can then block it by passing a resolution in both chambers the president has to report to nancy pelosi its not lincoln rescindi ining habeas corpus like trump assumes. How do they justify how does Lindsey Graham justify the idea of giving trump the powers i will put up on the board powers that are broad, even with congressional oversight. Power to amend laws, to temporarily appoint a qualified person to an officer grade in the military incredible power sweeping power how do they justify that for something that isnt an emergency . Because they are toadies of donald trump they have lost all credibility intellectually this is not Constitutional Government no sense of any form of conservativism as we have know it in the past this is just toadyism and the cult of donald trump if they wants to do it, they are for it there are a zillion reasons it wont fly including the fact you cant make an emergency conditional. He said the emergency is congress not giving him what he wants. Thats not an emergency. Thats first problem the second problem is you get to have a resolution. If memory serves me, thats not subject to a filibuster. So it is only a 50vote disallowing of that emergency declaration. As you said, republicans are very much concerned because there are emergencies like gun violence in america, like Global Warming that republicans could well use this is another idle threat. Hes been threatening this forever. I love the panache with which nancy pelosi says, have i not been clear its like the mother or grandmother voice. Have i not been clear with you shell do it again they have to come up with some ridiculous compromise. As she said and jason alluded to, plant a row of flowers and call it the wall theyll come up with some ridiculous definition that trump claims victory on or maybe, i dont know, sean hannity gives him a permission slip. I dont know whats interesting is that not the entire republican crazy wing we now have a sliver of the crazy wing its come down on trump. You have the fox people schilling for him, making excuses. If they can make excuses for this, why not for the next case . I want to come to you this strikes me as a question of delineation of powers not between congress and the president but between donald trump and ann coulter. Its a question of who has more power. Whether fox news goes with her or whether fox news goes with him. In the end, who will the fox news people go with . Sean hannity who will he go with coulter or trump amazing question. In the past we have seen the fox news audience has broken with trump. Back to the 2016 campaign when megyn kelly was tangling with trump the audience took trumps side now donald trump is on the wrong side of the base on the signature issue he ran on which was stopping the flow of mexicans coming to the United States this manufactured crisis that he put out there. The question is, you know, how does sean hannity whose audiences are basically an audience of one, donald trump. He really cant prop up for that so much longer. Who controls the audience who is their leader . Is it donald trump or is it ann coulter et al . If its donald trump then the big losers in this wall controversy, contratemps are the right wing media it will turn out they dont control the audience donald trump does. He may wake up one morning and discover his own power who has the power over that audience the New York Times had a story this morning that said donald trump the wounded there is now growing ferment on the right that the base is soft and hell be a primary challenger. Well come back thats the big question. Natas natasha, gabe, jennifer, see you in a little bit. He was convicted of a crime during iran contra but now donald trump tapped him for a post in south america because of course. Im ray and i quit smoking with chantix. Smoking. It dictates your day. I didnt like something having control over me. I wanted to stop. The thing is i didnt know how. Chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking. Chantix reduced my urge to smoke to the point that i could quit. 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Elliot abrams who pleaded guilty on two misdemeanors to lying to congress about iran contra and was pardoned later by George Herbert walker bush just became the United States new special envoy to venezuela abrams surprise appointment comes as the political crisis in venezuela came to a head when juan giude declared himself president and President Trump recognized him Jennifer Ruben is back with me steve evans from the atlantic and mariana atencio, msnbc correspondent. Steve, on the history of Elliot Abrams first he was a surprise pick in part because he did the thing you are not supposed to do to get on the trump team which is criticize trump. He wrote this oped titled when you cant stand your candidate. Its an excerpt from a do not allow the Republican Convention to be a coronation where trump and trumpism are unchallenged. The party needs to be reminded there are deep divisions and trump needs to be reminded how many oppose and fear his nomination there was an oped by the council on Hemispheric Affairs in 2017 that talked about considering Elliot Abrams would be a rude shock to latin america. Give us background on why latin america might be fearful and disturbed by the idea of Elliot Abrams a couple of things here abrams is one of our countrys premier regime change architects its something he spent his life thinking about he knows the state department, the cia, the department of defense. Hes applied them in latin america and globally whats fascinating is he was nearly deputy secretary of state under Rex Tillerson and donald trump nixed him at the last moment that hasnt stopped elliot i have seen him over the last two years. Hes waging a Quiet Campaign to say it didnt bother him he wanted to be of service to his country, to the government he has been very engaged in asking many of those that were on the never trump list to give the president some running room. Hes earned his place back and that was noticed i think the big issue is hes the guy if you want to have regime change in venezuela which is where the Trump Administration is going, hes a serious pick it would be dangerous to underestimate abrams. His history suggests thats true mariana, as somebody who is from venezuela, your family is from there and you understand the way the people in venezuela feel about whats going on. Explain the reaction that you had to the election in which you had juan guido declaring himself president even after he reportedly didnt win the presidency this is cut seven from my producers declaring himself president. Take a look. Oh, okay we dont have it yet essentially give us your take as somebody who is wait. We might have it now go ahead so first of all, let me jump in regarding Elliot Abrams i got off the phone with one of the members of the opposition who was at the United Nations with abrams yesterday. I said what do you make of his appointment. He told me today someone who belongs to the same party said the United States has decimated a special envoy to deal with the situation because its escalated to this point. Thats the opinion of the opposition regarding juan guido many say he didnt declare himself president but that because maduro was elected in fraudulent elections last year according to observers, because there was the power void, there are two articles in the constitution which states if there is a power void the head of congress down there will be the, quote, interim president and has to call for free and fair elections. Thats essentially what is happening down there regarding the appointment of guaido. Joy . I want to go to jennifer on this the challenge is our election is still the subject of an investigation as to whether it was influenced by a foreign power, whether it proceeded along entirely small d democratic grounds to be blunt when our officials like secretary pompeo speak thats a factor in the way the world hears it let me let you listen to mike pompeo yesterday at an emergency u. N. Council meeting talking about ven

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