In the New York Times, the trump tower, the crown jewel of trumps sprawling empire. Its name em blazened in gold was built on the backs of polish workers, many underpaid, overworked and undocumented. It was from the same marbled skyscraper that donald trump would launch his president ial bid and promise to build a wall peppering his speech and many others after with the antiimmigrant rhetoric that electrified his base. When mexico sends its people, they are not sending their best. They are bringing drugs. They are bringing clubs. Theyre rapists. You wouldnt believe how bad these people are. These arent people. These are animals. We have some bad hombres here and we are going to get them out. Tolerance for illegal immigration is not compassionate. It is actually very cruel. Trump is still selling the Illegal Immigrants boogeyman. Ramping it up even more as he gears up for the 2020 election, backed by the relentless drum beat of antiimmigrant rhetoric on fox news. A the Washington Post report enforces what the 1991 documentary revealed that Donald Trumps disdain for undocumented labor is and always was a lie. In fact, hes used undocumented labor for decades to make himself rich. The Washington Post has uncovered a longrunning pipeline of undocumented workers who helped to build and maintain trumps golf club in bedminister, new jersey. One of the workers saying, quote, this golf course was built by illegals. Joining me now, fernando amandi, host of strange days. Michelle goldberg, columnist for New York Times. And natasha behrtran of the atlantic. Fernand, this incredible reporting from the Washington Post. Its not like we didnt know donald trump has used undocumented workers for decades. But this was essentially an entire town in costa rica that pop lates his bed minister golf club. They say the people who employed them knew they were undocumented. Its blatant hypocrisy. We need to start thinking of this in a different way. The question of the hypocrisy lays bare that this is no longer an issue of good faith. It really hasnt been for a good time. Frankly, no issue that donald trump is about i dont think we have your mic. Do we have it . I dont think so. Well come back to you and get your microphone to work. Let me go to Maria Theresa. I will read a little bit. The Washington Post spoke with 16 men and women from costa rica and other latin american countries including six who said they were employed at the Trump National tower. Garro worked in maintenance at the golf course for years before returning. This quote, my whole town practically lived there. This is blatant. Donald trump is telling the base he agrees with them about undocumented immigrants, has the same disdain for them his base has, but he doesnt. Hes using them and these employees say their whole town was basically employed by him. Joy, anybody who goes into any agricultural industry, Construction Industry i would say that what hes describing there and the article describes not just the trump industry but the agriculture industry, the wine industry, parts of hollywood, all of them rely on undocumented labor. The crux of the issue isnt whether or not we like them enough because there is disdain for the worker but whether or not they should have the rights of individuals, of humans. The president has basically dehumanized the individuals. He definitely wants their labor in order to make his capital. Thats where the hypocrisy lies is the disdain for a worker and trying to dehumanize them so they dont have rights, so they are completely marginalized in the country, so they are in the shadows so they cannot claim their rights and also when they are abused. The story we played at the top of the broadcast is a documentary made about trump in the 1990s, the building of his empire in trump tower. It surprised me this was not a talking point during the campaign. These werent undocumented workers from central america, latin america, they were mostly from poland and they were paid very low wages, threatened if they tried to complain they would be reported to immigration, mistreated in blatant ways, but the bottom line and the connection between them and the costa rican workers is low pay. At maralago, people working from the same countries donald trump called shole countries but they dont make a lot of money and they dont have any rights. In trump world are they hearing the stories . In any way are they breaking through or are they still of the opinion or of the belief that donald trump would never use this kind of labor himself . The reaction that trump and his family are having is just to fire these people outright. So the backlash to the articles has had an unintended consequence of these people have worked for the trump family for decades, many of them. Now because of all of the people who are rightfully speaking out about the experience they have had they are being summarily fired. In terms of mistreatment and the pattern thats gone on over the last few decades of trumps real estate empire thats a subject of an investigation in new jersey. The bedminster golf club, the new jersey attorney general launched an investigation into whether or not they were mistreating undocumented employees and whether or not they committed immigration fraud by hiring these people in the first place. This is yet another investigation that the president has to worry about. But in trump world the hypocrisy has never seemed to bother his supporters. If we were going to be concerned about his hypocrisy when he said buy american constantly during the campaign and had a week dedicated to buying American Products and highlighting products in every state, you know, it would have seemed problematic since most of his clothing line, vodka brand have been made in china, bangladesh, vietnam. The hypocrisy has always been there. Another area where its present is in the everify system which his own properties havent imposed though last year he said he wanted to make it mandatory across the nation. This is not an area where we expect consistency from him. The talking points are continually appealing to his base. Thats all that matters. Michelle goldberg, i believe the piece found only three of Donald Trumps 11 properties use everify. They could use it if they want. Hes in the hospitality business. Everify is mainly used in hospitality and agriculture. Trumps Maralago Club in florida where we are today, was seeking to hire 78 foreign workers. They asked permission to hire the 78 workers to serve as cooks, waiters and housekeepers during this current winters season. So hes seeking to hire foreign labor. Hes always saying he wants to use american labor. Donald trump once advocated a huge financial penalty for those who employ undocumented immigrants saying they should face a huge financial penalty and that it could go beyond a financial penalty. But he himself has not paid such a penalty. My sense is that we have known throughout his presidency that hes been trying to get permission to bring people in to work for noncompetitive wages. My guess is the reason this doesnt penetrate with his base to all of our immense frustration and indignation is that it doesnt really matter to a lot of his followers, the details of hiring Illegal Immigrants. He expresses contempt for them. They are perfectly willing to have them as exploited employees. The question is whether they start to assert themselves as members of the body politic. As long as hes able to be the person who wants to maintain strict racial hierarchies in this country, i think a lot of his supporters will forgive him for exploiting people that frankly a lot of them deserve to be exploited. Thats the point. I think thats kind of the point. When you have heard the complaints about undocumented immigrants in the past from republicans, it quickly follows on, then they are going to vote illegally, vote for democrats. You know, thats the big fear. I go back to the point i was trying to make that we have to look past the issue of hypocrisy and bad faith and something more sinister. Donald trump doesnt believe i think hes so dogged on this issue simply because it is another way to divide americans to try and unfold this move forward at the Obama Administration. The immigration is a wedge issue not just in the United States, around the world. It is interesting to see other people trying to utilize immigration to destroy western democracies around the world. It is no surprise to me that the president continues to show utter hypocrisy on an issue he doesnt personally care about but has political resonance. Maria theresa, i want to stress that one of the other outcomes is for Donald Trumps base he has to make demonstrations. You have towns like nogales in arizona where they are putting up concertina wire, making the place look like a prison knowing it isnt needed. The township wasnt consulted. The mayor, city council say you are making our town look like a prison for a display. El paso is one of the safest places in america. Immigration is seamless. People go back and forth across the border. Theyll pretend these places are hell holes. It has real implications for the people that live there. Lets be clear. What hes trying to do is define who is american. It has everything to do with who he wants to participate in the democracy. By trying to scapegoat workers coming to the country undocumented but trying to make a livelihood that they are directly benefitting from is just the beginning of he starts with undocumented. He started a denaturalzation task force. If you are a naturalized citizen a task force will see if they can pull your citizenship. Thats obscene. When you go to el paso specifically this is what the president should be worried about. In 2014 el paso has one of the lowest participation voters in the country. Literally less than 20 participate in their election. Only 82,000 people cast a ballot. In 2018, 205,000 el paso citizens cast a ballot. Hes recognizing that in his town thats normally not political, hes coming into the territory and trying to make them feel less american to feel they are vulnerable to an increased hostile country. They are going to the ballot box. What Maria Theresa described sounds longterm untenable. If people are made to feel deamericanized under threat of losing naturalization. If wire is being put up all the way to the ground, thats dangerous if someone has a child or dog that goes near the fencing. It isnt needed. Its there as a demonstration project so it can be on fox news and they can be seen to be keeping them out. People could be hurt. This could have consequences. They seem really dire. This feels untenable. Right. And we have to remember the president wants to send troops to the southern border to do nothing. There is no crisis there. There is video of the soldiers standing around. This has consequences in terms of federal workers who are now on the brink of another shutdown because the president is insisting on building this wall which, you know, members of his own party have broken with him on this. It remains to be seen. Talks have apparently stalled. But this is yet another example of how his impetuousness and desire to divide people on this issue is going to perhaps affect american workers, ironically. More than a Million People who work for the federal government who might have to go without pay for another month. So its not only affecting, you know, the way that latinos see themselves in this country. It has been impact on the trajectory of real athome american workers. People should care if the president of the United States is doing this. Its like a show hes putting on that has real world consequences. Another shutdown would be devastating for the federal workers who have been through hell. The idea that they would do it again for something roger stone made up as a device for trump to remember what to say at rallies, these things arent real. Thats frightening to people. They arent real policies donald trump cares about. Hes doing it to demonstrate to ann coulter that he has these beliefs. 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Schultz responded to criticism his running as an independent could guarantee donald trump a second term. Respectfully, heres my response to that. Trump must not serve a second term. I also believe there are millions of republicans who do not want to reelect donald trump. Given the choice between him and a far left democrat, i believe trump would win reelection. Joining me now is bill burton, Communications Adviser to Howard Schultz and former Deputy White House press secretary for president barack obama. Bill, good to see you. A heck of a start to the segment, joy. Good to see you. You, too. I started it that way because to be blunt with you, bill, there doesnt seem to be a boom lit of native enthusiasm, an organic cry and hue to have Howard Schultz become president of the United States. Am i wrong . I think if you look at the people who he is appealing to the exhausted majority in the center of the country, they are a little tougher to organize by definition. Theyre not people who belong to organized political parties. It is a different thing hes trying to do. We have gotten a lot of enthusiastic response but not in the beltway where you might be. Lets go through that. Cnn has done a poll, favorable or unfavorable opinion of your potential candidate Howard Schultz. Favorable is 13 . Unfavorable is 22 . Never heard of, 46 . Not unusually for someone without high name i. D. Would you vote for schultz if he ran . Not very or somewhat likely, 20 . Not too or not at all likely 66 . Lets talk about your polling. The big concern is i heard about what Howard Schultz is doing. Even your own polling finds if he were to run he would reelect donald trump. He would almost certainly reelect donald trump. Heres a little bit for the daily intelligence. Perhaps in an effort to push back from the data this is your polling schultzs Team Released partial internal polling data. Somewhat suspiciously the data didnt show the information the respondents were given to support him. The bottom line figure showed schultz drawing a whopping 17 of the National Vote in a threeway race with trump and either Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren. The same figures showed trump beating both democrats 33 to 32 . Schultzs own polling indicates he would lose badly and throw the race to trump. The independent polling is worse than that. How do you argue against the fact that your own polling shows the results of a Howard Schultz run for president would be a second term for donald trump . Joy, we are two weeks into this conversation. There is a different way to look at the numbers which i think your viewers ought to consider. You used two words we ought to Pay Attention to certainly and guarantee. I think that anyone who thought donald trump couldnt be elected president ought to be reflective about the fact that there are things we dont know about this political moment. On those polls specifically though think about the fact that a guy who had almost no name recognition just two weeks ago, suddenly over 50 of americans know hes running for president. One in five americans think it would be a good idea if he were. That means four in five bill, that means four in five we are two weeks in. Four in five thinks he wouldnt. Again, would Howard Schultz prefer a second trump term to an Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris presidency . Would he rather have trump again . Howard schultz will do everything he can to stop donald trump. Except for not run for president. It looks like your own polling would reelect trump. Joy, we are two weeks in. I dont think you can look at the poll and say this is what it looks like in november 2020. You have to look at the pol