Sort of represent tiatives of te two tents of the party were not the two women. They had the best debate last night. They were the strongest two candidates. It is weird to be in a party where the two women who were the strongest but the two women are not the top contenders when you look at the polls. Theres a disconnect there between the quality of those parenations, the qualities of those candy says and where these are in the polls. Ill leave it at that. A conversation that i hope we continue to have because its one the country needs to continue to have. I love having you around on the weekend by the way. This is going to make our weekend a lot more fun. Thank you for watching. A. M. Joy with the woman you are looking at joy reid begins right now from New Hampshire. I propose a two cent wealth tax and one of the things we can do with that. We can cancel Student Loan Debt for 43 million americans and because African Americans have to borrow more money to go to college, borrow more money while theyre in college and have a harder time paying it back when they get out, that one law is going to help close the black white wealth gap for people with Student Loans by about 20 points. Were saying to the rich folks, you keep your money and the rest of us will talk about racism, but not really do anything. I think the time for that is over. Good morning and welcome to a. M. Joy. We are live from beautiful manchester, New Hampshire, just three days before the first primary of the 2020 season. Right here in the Granite State. And who would have guessed that a state like New Hampshire with the population thats just 1. 7 black would deliver the first substantive debate on race . But i guess its black History Month so anything can happen. And you just heard from Elizabeth Warren was just a small sample of the discussion last night at a debate that notably featured just one candidate who is not white. Shall we say some candidates faired better than others. Warren showed off her intensity. Pete buttgieg whos been an eloquent sound byte machine basically glitched. Buttgieg has surged in the New Hampshire polls after finishing in a dead laet with Bernie Sanders but when he had the chance to answer questions that have long haunted him about his role in the Police Departments mishandling of Race Relations he fumbled and other candidates jumped on what was a clear weakness. How do you explain the increase in black arrests in south bend under your leadership for Marijuana Possession . One of the strategies that our community adopted was to target when there were cases where there was gun violence and Gang Violence which was slaughtering so many in our community. Burying teenagers, disproportionately black teenagers. We adopted a strategy that said that drug enforce mts would be targeted in cases where there was a connection to the most Violent Group or gang connected to a murder. Senator warren, is that a substantial answer from mayor buttgieg . No. On the other end of the spectrum in the race for the moderate lane in the primaries minnesota senator Amy Klobuchar received the highest post debate score from the New York Times and one of the moments was when she highlighted the disparity and experience between the candidates. You said pete as you were campaigning through iowa as three of us were jurors in that impeachment hearing you said it was exhausting to watch and that you wanted to turn the channel and watch cartoons. It is easy to go after washington because thats a popular thing to do. It is much harder as i see senator in the front row, such a leader, it is much harder to lead. And much harder to take those difficult positions. Because i think this going after every single thing that people do because its popular to say and makes you look like a cool newcomer, i dont think thats what people want right now. We have a newcomer in the white house and look where it got us. Joining me now is columnist for the Washington Post and msnbc contribute tor. Resident fellow at the harvard kendy school and founder of the beat dc and president and ceo of voter latino and also an msnbc contribute tor. I feel like i should bump up my resume sitting next to all of you folks. Come on now, joy. Its fun that this stage looked so opposite of the democratic debate last night. Were like the reverse of it. The rest of the whole country looks like. I want to start off, mayor pete came into this. He had to have known that he was going to be targeted because he did win in one since he won the Iowa Caucuses depending on whether you do popular vote or delegate count. Big surprise it should have been a big lift for him its kind of awash. But he had a target on him. Lets take a listen to some of the candidates who had a go at him. Unlike some of the folks up here i dont have 40 billionaires, pete, contributing to my campaign coming from the pharmaceutical industry, coming from wall street and all the big money interests. Hes a mayor of a smul city who has done some good things but has not demi zratonstrated the ability and well soon find out to get a broad scope of support across the spectrum including African Americans and latinos. I think this going after everything people want to do, and make you feel like a cool newcomer. We have a newcomer in the white house and look where it got us. Ill start with you, jonathan. You interviewed mayor pete recently. You interviewed him a lot along this voed that hes gone on for almost a year now. He speaks to me in a consultantese. Its a complete paragraph sentence that it starts in one place, it ends up sort f of at the revoerse. Last night when lindsey davis, the abc reporter, you know, didnt let him do that, he did an eloquent chunk of paragraph which is what he does and she said no, no, i need you to answer my question about these disparities he kind of glitched. It was the first time i saw him break where he didnt have a pat answer and it was not a strong moment. It wasnt a strong moment because lindsey had what i thought was the perfectly constructed question to prevent any candidate from going back to their talking points. It was a specific question about a specific policy that had a specific negative impact on a constituency. He must win over if he wants to be the nominee. Look, what impressed mayor pete what impressed me about mayor pete and a lot of theme is the fact that when you ask him a question he gives you a well thought out answer as if hed been contemplating it for years. I call it being thoughtful. But thoughtful only carries you so far and we saw in this New Hampshire debate that the so far has hit. He is now being pressed because he did so well in iowa, because hes doing well in the polls in New Hampshire, because no one thought he would be here. Of course he has the target on his back and he should be prepared for those questions about his record as mayor of south bend particularly as it pertains to African Americans, because the longer he goes in this race the more important those questions are going to be, even more important those questions are going to be and it then requires him to actually have an answer. And whether its saying look, as he said in the other debate, i got it wrong or i didnt do i didnt try hard enough. Hes got to have better answers, stronger answers. You call it a glitch as if hes a robot and i know people think hes a robot. I dont see him as a robot. I see him as a person who is in a spot no one expected him to be, maybe even he himself and the fact that hes there now and now really on the big stage is showing in the clips that you saw the the deficiencies that he has that he has to address if hes going to get beyond New Hampshire. And the first person that i was told watch for mayor pete was tiffany. You even before anyone else you were saying watch for him and i had forgotten that i interviewed him as i did one of the forums when they were all running for dnc chair. But you were the first person who said watch for him because this guy has a lot of potential. Last night i think it that was the first time that he didnt seem as sure of himself and i dont think it was just on the race part. I think Amy Klobuchar who had a really strong debate, she has been trying to make the case that she is the qualified woman whos been doing the job at the work place all these years and hes the, you know, ceos son who was working in the copy room and is now her boss. Right. Just put it in normal language and shes been trying to say but im the person whos been got the capabilities and that moderate link can only have one person in the end. Did she make a case Strong Enough to get her because shes below in the polls. Did she make a case Strong Enough to compete with him in the polls . I think klobuchar did a stellar performance but you have to consider the audience as well. So we saw that senator harris was dragged for her criminal justice record. Klobuchar has some answers to offer up as well. She concerns me because ive said this before, shes constantly talking about how she can win in red states and i always want to scream, youre running as democrat. Talk to me about how you can appeal to voters like me. Sure, she knocked pete off of this high horse that he sits on sometimes and i think that too is part of the challenge f we lad to look out for mayor pete early on because the media fell in love with him. They gifted him and blessed him with this platform before he earned it. And i think she does a great job of calling that out with pete and i think the problem why there is sometimes a chasm between pete and voters of color is because we see privilege in him and this is not necessarily petes fault. I mean, he can certainly do some things to help his own campaign when it comes to race but even last night a lot of the analysis, pete killed it and pete won the debate and im like gosh, did you talk to any people of color about his performance and they see themselves in them. I think a lot of the media landscape and if you, you know, i think if you look at the landscape of the media it mirrors the political stage and i think if any candidate was polling at 4 with White America we would never call him in the front runner but pete is gifted with that platform. So both of them have a little bit of work to do but at the end of the day i think people are looking for a candidate. We can pick apart your past all day long. The fate of the world depends on a lot of these democratic debates and people want to know what will you do in office. We can keep revisiting the past. Will you have a debt to owe. Thank you black voters for putting me here, thank you latino voters. Thank you underprivileged voters now i owe you a debt and ill going to focus on that. You talk a lot about the mayor pete talks about it too. Were looking at this new world whether its on technology, its not necessarily things that he dealt with as mayor but hes saying we have to start looking to the future and Amy Klobuchar will have the same question. Ironically she would have the same problem. Shes not exactly polling in great places with African Americans. She has a criminal justice issue same as he does. So it is interesting that theyre both fighting for this middle that looked like that stage, not like this table. And its a middle that lets not forget, the last time that white males voted for a democrat was lbj. Right. So youre fighting for a middle that is increasingly nonexistent. Instead of thinking who do i appeal to and who do i go to. I saw this really interesting clip with angela rice and she asked him in that interview, name two black women that would be part of that cabinet and he hemmed and hawed with all the issues that hes having with this idea of talent and diversifying and reflecting the country that he wants to serve, that should have been an easy answer. That was a softball and he had a really challenging time coming up with two and it was uncomfortable watching him to try to come up with two and i think when we are looking at how do we win, democrat registered democrats are going to go out. I think that they see that there is incredible danger but if the electoral base, were talking about 12 million unregistered young people that will be able to cast a ballot for the very first time, two thirds of who are kids of color, if they do not hear a candidate talking to them about issues theyre talking about they may stay home. That is a sure way to lose. I keep saying if youre in the business of selling nikes, ogo where the largest target of places where people will buy your nikes and its not going to be in the midwest. Faithful democrats are going to come out but the people that are there the south when youre talking about close to, you know, 70 of the people that can change your base, if youre not inspooiring them and respecting them and identifying what keeps them up at night thats going to be hard. Thats going to be difficult and i have to give a shout out to tom steyer who brought up a lot of the race questions last night and he went at joe bidens black support directly. It was an interesting, you know, place to do it from New Hampshire to go right for the black support of the guy whos leading in South Carolina, joe biden. The audience has got such a distraction sometimes. T theyre singing for their supper. Well have them all throughout the show today. Of course because this is our super duper panel. 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He is a socialist who believes in massive help to large corporations and the rich. When trump was a private businessman hes a real estate developer, he himself received some 800 million in tax breaks and subsidies to build luxury condominiums. Thats called socialism for the very, very rich. Joining me now is 2020 Sanders Campaign senior advisor. Thank you for being here. Its good to be on. Good to have you. Lets talk about this socialism thing. Joe biden went there and talked about the fact that this is something that donald trump is going to throw at any democrat but in the case of Bernie Sanders it wont be a lie. Unusual for trump. Is there any concern that you might have as a supporter that a campaign between donald trump and Bernie Sanders will become a National Debate about socialism . I think that donald trump as you said is going to say that socialism is an issue with anybody thats a nominee but not just a supporter. I get to travel with the senator. Im out with the people so i get to talk to people all the time and they really feel like the system is rigged especially if youre a person of color who feels like the system has walked away from you and abandoned you when they really feel that nobody is speaking for them. Donald trump giving tax breaks to the rich while regular working folks kind of left behind. No matter who the nominee is going to be, President Trump is going to say theyre a socialist, but hes going to lose no matter who the nominee is. But its going to be true when he says it about Bernie Sanders. Sanders himself calls himself a democratic socialist. Hes wearing the label proudly. You know, the reality of campaigns, campaigns are negative and nasty. You know how it goes. There are going to be ads running in states like florida where there is a very, very strong cuban american venezuelan american element of the population that are very important voters that are going to be watching ads of Bernie Sanders praising fidel castro, and praising you know, things like that. Those video clips are out there. Those are going to be in ads. Do you think that Be