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Half. Im Andrea Mitchell live in washington. We begin with the deadly plane crash crash. 6 people were killed and 15 injured after a train slammed into an suv believed to be stuck on the tracks. The vehicle exploded causing the front car of the train to burst into flames. Passengers described the scene shortly afterwards. Seemed to be just an impact. We didnt really know what. The fire was starting to spread back towards the second car. People were clearly getting more and more anxious and thats when we got the emergency doors and windows open. Msnbc adam reiss is live. What did you learn and what did the ntsb say . Reporter andrea ntsb arrived in the last hour. They are taking measurements and want to find out what happened and why. Six People Killed last night in the accident. 15 injured. Many of them seriously. Now, it started when a jeep got stuck on the tracks at an intersection. An eyewitness said the gate had come down on the jeep. The driver got out to push the gate up, got back into her car and when she attempted to drive off, thats when the train slammed into her car and you can see its lodged into the front of the train. 400 feet down the tracks. Now, many people inside the front train car rushed to get out. The fire started when the electrified third rail slammed into the fronti of the car. Governor cuomo was here and said he was surprised there were not more injuries. Investigators will be looking to talk to eyewitnesss. They will want to look at video of the accident and, of course, look at the recorders on the train. They said they will be here about five to seven days. This whole investigation could take about a year until they give us the final analysis of exactly what happened. Andrea . Adam, the description of the scene, first of all, freezing cold people trying to punch threw glass windows and escape, some people on fire. Just the horror of all of [3 qthat. Lets talk also about the past Safety Records with metro north. Adam, it looks like the last incident was december 1st 2013, another one in may 2013, may 17th 2013. A number of incidents just two years ago. Adam . Reporter yes. Im sorry. Im not sure you heard. We were talking about the accident record and i ];÷ dont know whether the ntsb is still looking at some of those incidents but the Safety Record of metro north of this rail system. Reporter no. I guess im so sorry weve lost adam reiss in valhalla. The ntsb is looking at that disaster and they are going to be boarding the train and trying to figure out how this happened, how the train couldnt even stop when the car was already struck on the rails. Meanwhile, turning overseas King Abdullah has returned to jordan after his government executed two for the burning of a jordanian pilot. They are demanding more revenge and they are responding to the brutality of the isis video showing the execution of the jordanian pilot and the high production value as you can see here, a long interview with the pilot before he was put in a cage and then burned alive. Those graphics indicate to experts that it was produced some time ago and the pilot was dead long before isis demanded a prisoner swap for him. Richard engel is joining me now from istanbul. Im talking to arab leaders, youve talked to leaders in the region. They are demanding revenge but, in particular, im hearing that in fact that the new yorks times first reported that the uae has grounded its pilots because back in december when the jordanian pilot crashed and was taken by isis or shot down and taken by isis there were no Forward Deployed american search and qbfi u units and the reaction to that, especially because the uae flies female pilots in the fighter jets they grounded their flights. And as you know better than anyone, uae were the most aggressive in the antiisis coalition. They say that the u. S. Are forcing them to fight with their hands behind their backs. Reporter there are a lot of problems with the overall u. S. Strategy and ive spoken to u. S. Military officials who are among the first who will say the war in iraq and syria is undeclared war is not going nearly as well as it is being presented in washington. It is a confused campaign. Some countries are participating only in iraq. Most in fact are participating only in iraq. When they are participating in iraq, some are backing up the government of baghdad and others are backing the region of kurdistan who wants to break away from baghdad. So you are supporting two sides within the same country who dont want to talk to each other, dont want to be in the same country anymore. Then, in syria you have these very complicated rules of engagement, if you will, the zy rules of this undeclared war where there are not supposed to be any troops on the ground. There is supposed to be a concentrated air campaign. Youre supposed to have these allies on the ground in the Free Syrian Army which is truly a phantom force and doesnt exist at this stage even though in the state of the Union President obama was talking about how they are going to build up this Free Syrian Army. So there are many, many problems with this war and then when you have a horrific incident like the video of the jordanian pilot, it does expose some of the very very deep and wide cracks in the war plan. But at least in jordan you are not seeing people thus far backing away from the campaign. They want to do much more. They are talking about sending jordanian troops intensifying air strikes, how much of that is emotion and National Pride after this horrific incident and how much will translate into action we will see kkzi the next days and weeks. Well, its interesting to note that the monarchy has been under fire somewhat because of the tribal leaders and specifically the family of this pilot, very prominent family staying with they werent doing enough. Now there is this aggressive response. Last night, the two prisoners, highprofile convicted terrorists executed and now were told there will be more retaliation. Thats what the king said today. And they are rallying around the monarchy which is a very interesting response. Which is an interesting response because the king has had some problems with their tribal leaders in their country. The king is seen as very prowestern. Went to school at a prep school in new england was the captain of the wrestling team spends a lot of time at International Conferences and is very comfortable with the u. S. And billionaires. Many felt that he wasnt taking this issue or other issues seriously enough. But when this group which claims to be the muslim caliphate is claiming a sacred part of this regions history, this regions spirituality, this group that speaks in islams name so it says carries out such an atrocity in a video that lasts 22 minutes that was edited to look like some sort of video game and then passed around by twitter, that was too much for some of the tribes to bear and they are absolutely shifted their anger to this group. Thank you so much richard engel. Thank you very much for joining us. Now im joined by phone from jordan. New york times foreign respond rod nordland. Rod, tell me about the mood there because from what weve been witnessing overnight and the kings statement publicly, it seems as though theres a real desire for revenge. I think thats right. And the father now you know, hes an important tribal figure and a sheik himself, even before that when news came that these two terrorists had been executed in response by jordan, people were taking to the streets to celebrate and its a pretty rare sight to see the king of jordan get any attention on the streets. I dont think anyone has ever lined the streets to see him come home. The reaction is not just here but throughout the region. Its one of the few times that i think you can say the arab world and the muslim world, to a large degree, is really united on something against isis. Rob, in talking to leaders about the uae grounding the pilots after this jordanian pilot was down because they feel there isnt enough forwardbased search and rescue by the americans, the ua e6789e, aggressive leaders in the coalition. Are you hearing also that the United States is just not doing enough . I havent really been hearing that feeling, frankly. The uae is a particular case and i think the problem of air rescue is one that they can address and resolve and i think they are working hard to do that. I think right now at least, the reaction is one of anger and lets find a way to doke they are already part of coalition along with six arab countries, four of which are doing air÷ trikes three of which now with the uae. So i think they will continue to step that up and commit more resources to it. They havent said. They are talking about what they are going to do. They have been having security meetings all evening. But it is widely expected that they will take some further action against some of their prisoners. Theres at least three other prisoners on death row, already convicted, sentenced to death for terrorist offenses and i think the next step might well be executing them. Although they havent actually said that, there have been rumors to that effect. Robert nordland, thank you for being with us today. Youre welcome. And another terrifying accident. A transasia flight takes off shortly after takeoff barely missing apartment buildings. 26 people died in the crash. 17 are still missing including among the dead, many from the mainland. Ian williams is joining me from beijing. What do we know about the crash so far, ian . Reporter andrea they have now hoisted the body of the aircraft, the battered body of that aircraft to the banks of the river and they are now looking to try and locate the 17 people who are still missing and it seems that that death toll will rise. Now, this crash happened just two minutes into the flight of this transasia aircraft. It lost control, came down, almost hitting those apartment blocks clipping an elevated roadway before slammingdm into the river below. That triggered an enormous rescue operation, enormous and painstaking, involving several hundred soldiers, police and firefighters struggling to get people trapped, the 58 passengers and crew inside that aircraft. There is some speculation in taipei that it could have been a lot worse, that perhaps the pilot deliberately steered the plane away from those apartment blocks and was aiming for thes4srx river in order to avoid what could have been a far worse disaster andrea. And among the victims that we saw and among those rescued we see children as well some of the passengers. It must have been a horrendous accident. We dont know anything yet obviously the black boxes will be the clues. We dont know anything yet as to the cause of this. Well, theres a lot of speculation. There is a recording that has emerged and is being played by the broadcast stations in taipei, the last words of the captain, mayday, they are speculating that it was some sort of engine failure but its really very early to say that. The black boxes have been recovered pretty speedily because the river was quite shallow. It was quite easy to find them. So we should know possibly within days what did bring down this aircraft in this dramatic crash this morning. B ejc andrea . Ian williams thank you for joining us from china. And the fight against isis, a key issue at the nomination hearing for the newly elected secretary of defense to replace chuck hagel. And the vaccination conspiracy theories. What does it mean for diseases we thought were conquered long ago. Well talk to the head of the centers for Disease Control. Youre watching Andrea Mitchell reports only on msnbc. Stouffers mac and cheese with real aged cheddar now in a convenient cup. New Stouffers Mac cups. Made for you to love. Theres nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. So why pause to take a pill . And why stop what youre doing to find a bathroom . With cialis for daily use, you dont have to plan around either. Its the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be Ready Anytime the moment is right. Plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. Tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. Do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. Do not drink alcohol in excess. Side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. To avoid longterm injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. If you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision or any symptoms of an allergic reaction stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. Why pause the moment . Ask your doctor about cialis for daily use. For a free 30tablet trial go to cialis. Com [ narrator ] mama sherman and the legion of super fans. Wow [ narrator ] on a mission to get richard to his campbells chunky soup. Its new chunky beerncheese with beef and bacon soup. I love it. And mama loves you. We need partners on the ground to beat isis and the jordanian people have clearly reacted the way that5 x encourages us to support them. The u. S. Strategy in the fight against isis, especially after what happened with the jordanian pilots execution is a topic at the nomination hearing for ashton carter. Adam schiff is joining me now. Lets talk about what happened with isis, congressman and what the coalition is doing. Theres a report today that ive confirmed from elene cooper in the New York Times that the uae grounded its pilots because the pentagon has not deployed forward search and rescue units close enough to the region and they dont think that their pilots can be safe. We have to talk to the pentagon about this but what are you hearing . Well i havent heard yet whether this is the case in terms of the uae. I think youre going to see a couple of reactions come out of this, the terrible, brutal murder. I think with respect to jordan, youll see an intensification of their campaign and battling this evil foe. With others its going to make them more nervous with respect to their pilots and with respect to jordan its going to continue to be a vulnerability. And we have other own people in harms way in iraq and syria. Its been a great concern all along and materialized the worst possible way in jordan. But i think the overarching impact may be a consolidation of opinion within the arab world that this cancer really needs to be extricated from their midst. Well in fact according to my reporting, that is the view in the arab world, at least amonglathe allies and this partnership. But they feel that america is 0 bap h lc fighting this war with our hands tied behind our back. We know the domestic reasons for not wanting, you know to go back in to iraq and not wanting to go into syria, but this is what were hearing from saudi arabia from jordan, from some of the others as well in the gulf coalition, that the u. S. Needs to put more troops in, more special forces in, more Forward Deployed to have a target. Thats going to put more american lives at risk than more of their own citizens lives at risk but there are many reasons why that doesnt make sense for us and if you look at the situation in eye being ra for example, if we had moved in too precipitously, well still have Nuri Al Maliki in charge of iraq and there was the massacre where after liberation of a particular town sunnis may have been massacred by shia militias. If thats the case, its not really going to help the situation. Yes, im not surprised to hear some of our air partners call for a greater military presence. Thats always going to be the easier way for them to go. At the end of the day, this really is their fight and its also their ideological fight and theres obamanly so much we can do and we have to be concerned about taking steps that would be counterproductive because it removes the obligation for them to step up their war efforts. So if thats the case, is this going to continue to be a stalemate with isis grabbing hostages executing them brutally grabbing more territory and why would the present claim on the state of the union that were winning this thing . Well, i dont think its going to continue to be a stalemate and i think in iraq were making progress with the aid of the Peshmerga Forces and with the Iraqi Special forces. In iraq were going to have to see progress fy iraq before we see any progress in syria. That doesnt mean that we need to have a major combat mission there. If you look at our situation still in afghanistan more than a decade later, having presence of american troops hasnt brought about a longterm solution there. So ie c÷ think we have to be careful not to over interpret the facts on the ground as difficult as they are. We are going to have other hostage situations, that is going to be inevitable but we dont want them toepv propel us to do things that puts our people at risk. And before i let you go Vice President and kerry going to ukraine. Would you start arming the ukraine government against the russianbacked separatists . I would. And ive been advocating this for quite some time. Weve given putin plenty of time to deescalate and instead hes moved in the other direction. I think this is not only important in ukraine to avoid this broken conflict along geographic areas but also its an Important Message to our allies in the region that we will back them up and wont allow this russian aggression to go unchecked. At many levels its important to step up our support as well. Thank you, congressman adam schiff. Meanwhile, in atlanta, the daughter of Whitney Houston has been moved to a different hospital. Bobbi Kristina Brown was moved to emory hospital where she remains in a medically induced a coma. Another person or persons may have been in browns home the morning she was found by her friend nick gordon. But could have fled before the police arrived. Meanwhile, an attorney for her father bobbi brown, says brown is not married to nick gordon even though the couple says that they were married shortly after houstons death three years ago. And coming up next, centers for Disease Control director Thomas Frieden on the measles out outbreak and the debate over vaccines. Youre watching Andrea Mitchell<\/a> live in washington. We begin with the deadly plane crash crash. 6 people were killed and 15 injured after a train slammed into an suv believed to be stuck on the tracks. The vehicle exploded causing the front car of the train to burst into flames. Passengers described the scene shortly afterwards. Seemed to be just an impact. We didnt really know what. The fire was starting to spread back towards the second car. People were clearly getting more and more anxious and thats when we got the emergency doors and windows open. Msnbc adam reiss is live. What did you learn and what did the ntsb say . Reporter andrea ntsb arrived in the last hour. They are taking measurements and want to find out what happened and why. Six People Killed<\/a> last night in the accident. 15 injured. Many of them seriously. Now, it started when a jeep got stuck on the tracks at an intersection. An eyewitness said the gate had come down on the jeep. The driver got out to push the gate up, got back into her car and when she attempted to drive off, thats when the train slammed into her car and you can see its lodged into the front of the train. 400 feet down the tracks. Now, many people inside the front train car rushed to get out. The fire started when the electrified third rail slammed into the fronti of the car. Governor cuomo was here and said he was surprised there were not more injuries. Investigators will be looking to talk to eyewitnesss. They will want to look at video of the accident and, of course, look at the recorders on the train. They said they will be here about five to seven days. This whole investigation could take about a year until they give us the final analysis of exactly what happened. Andrea . Adam, the description of the scene, first of all, freezing cold people trying to punch threw glass windows and escape, some people on fire. Just the horror of all of [3 qthat. Lets talk also about the past Safety Record<\/a>s with metro north. Adam, it looks like the last incident was december 1st 2013, another one in may 2013, may 17th 2013. A number of incidents just two years ago. Adam . Reporter yes. Im sorry. Im not sure you heard. We were talking about the accident record and i ];\u00f7 dont know whether the ntsb is still looking at some of those incidents but the Safety Record<\/a> of metro north of this rail system. Reporter no. I guess im so sorry weve lost adam reiss in valhalla. The ntsb is looking at that disaster and they are going to be boarding the train and trying to figure out how this happened, how the train couldnt even stop when the car was already struck on the rails. Meanwhile, turning overseas King Abdullah<\/a> has returned to jordan after his government executed two for the burning of a jordanian pilot. They are demanding more revenge and they are responding to the brutality of the isis video showing the execution of the jordanian pilot and the high production value as you can see here, a long interview with the pilot before he was put in a cage and then burned alive. Those graphics indicate to experts that it was produced some time ago and the pilot was dead long before isis demanded a prisoner swap for him. Richard engel is joining me now from istanbul. Im talking to arab leaders, youve talked to leaders in the region. They are demanding revenge but, in particular, im hearing that in fact that the new yorks times first reported that the uae has grounded its pilots because back in december when the jordanian pilot crashed and was taken by isis or shot down and taken by isis there were no Forward Deployed<\/a> american search and qbfi u units and the reaction to that, especially because the uae flies female pilots in the fighter jets they grounded their flights. And as you know better than anyone, uae were the most aggressive in the antiisis coalition. They say that the u. S. Are forcing them to fight with their hands behind their backs. Reporter there are a lot of problems with the overall u. S. Strategy and ive spoken to u. S. Military officials who are among the first who will say the war in iraq and syria is undeclared war is not going nearly as well as it is being presented in washington. It is a confused campaign. Some countries are participating only in iraq. Most in fact are participating only in iraq. When they are participating in iraq, some are backing up the government of baghdad and others are backing the region of kurdistan who wants to break away from baghdad. So you are supporting two sides within the same country who dont want to talk to each other, dont want to be in the same country anymore. Then, in syria you have these very complicated rules of engagement, if you will, the zy rules of this undeclared war where there are not supposed to be any troops on the ground. There is supposed to be a concentrated air campaign. Youre supposed to have these allies on the ground in the Free Syrian Army<\/a> which is truly a phantom force and doesnt exist at this stage even though in the state of the Union President<\/a> obama was talking about how they are going to build up this Free Syrian Army<\/a>. So there are many, many problems with this war and then when you have a horrific incident like the video of the jordanian pilot, it does expose some of the very very deep and wide cracks in the war plan. But at least in jordan you are not seeing people thus far backing away from the campaign. They want to do much more. They are talking about sending jordanian troops intensifying air strikes, how much of that is emotion and National Pride<\/a> after this horrific incident and how much will translate into action we will see kkzi the next days and weeks. Well, its interesting to note that the monarchy has been under fire somewhat because of the tribal leaders and specifically the family of this pilot, very prominent family staying with they werent doing enough. Now there is this aggressive response. Last night, the two prisoners, highprofile convicted terrorists executed and now were told there will be more retaliation. Thats what the king said today. And they are rallying around the monarchy which is a very interesting response. Which is an interesting response because the king has had some problems with their tribal leaders in their country. The king is seen as very prowestern. Went to school at a prep school in new england was the captain of the wrestling team spends a lot of time at International Conferences<\/a> and is very comfortable with the u. S. And billionaires. Many felt that he wasnt taking this issue or other issues seriously enough. But when this group which claims to be the muslim caliphate is claiming a sacred part of this regions history, this regions spirituality, this group that speaks in islams name so it says carries out such an atrocity in a video that lasts 22 minutes that was edited to look like some sort of video game and then passed around by twitter, that was too much for some of the tribes to bear and they are absolutely shifted their anger to this group. Thank you so much richard engel. Thank you very much for joining us. Now im joined by phone from jordan. New york times foreign respond rod nordland. Rod, tell me about the mood there because from what weve been witnessing overnight and the kings statement publicly, it seems as though theres a real desire for revenge. I think thats right. And the father now you know, hes an important tribal figure and a sheik himself, even before that when news came that these two terrorists had been executed in response by jordan, people were taking to the streets to celebrate and its a pretty rare sight to see the king of jordan get any attention on the streets. I dont think anyone has ever lined the streets to see him come home. The reaction is not just here but throughout the region. Its one of the few times that i think you can say the arab world and the muslim world, to a large degree, is really united on something against isis. Rob, in talking to leaders about the uae grounding the pilots after this jordanian pilot was down because they feel there isnt enough forwardbased search and rescue by the americans, the ua e6789e, aggressive leaders in the coalition. Are you hearing also that the United States<\/a> is just not doing enough . I havent really been hearing that feeling, frankly. The uae is a particular case and i think the problem of air rescue is one that they can address and resolve and i think they are working hard to do that. I think right now at least, the reaction is one of anger and lets find a way to doke they are already part of coalition along with six arab countries, four of which are doing air\u00f7 trikes three of which now with the uae. So i think they will continue to step that up and commit more resources to it. They havent said. They are talking about what they are going to do. They have been having security meetings all evening. But it is widely expected that they will take some further action against some of their prisoners. Theres at least three other prisoners on death row, already convicted, sentenced to death for terrorist offenses and i think the next step might well be executing them. Although they havent actually said that, there have been rumors to that effect. Robert nordland, thank you for being with us today. Youre welcome. And another terrifying accident. A transasia flight takes off shortly after takeoff barely missing apartment buildings. 26 people died in the crash. 17 are still missing including among the dead, many from the mainland. Ian williams is joining me from beijing. What do we know about the crash so far, ian . Reporter andrea they have now hoisted the body of the aircraft, the battered body of that aircraft to the banks of the river and they are now looking to try and locate the 17 people who are still missing and it seems that that death toll will rise. Now, this crash happened just two minutes into the flight of this transasia aircraft. It lost control, came down, almost hitting those apartment blocks clipping an elevated roadway before slammingdm into the river below. That triggered an enormous rescue operation, enormous and painstaking, involving several hundred soldiers, police and firefighters struggling to get people trapped, the 58 passengers and crew inside that aircraft. There is some speculation in taipei that it could have been a lot worse, that perhaps the pilot deliberately steered the plane away from those apartment blocks and was aiming for thes4srx river in order to avoid what could have been a far worse disaster andrea. And among the victims that we saw and among those rescued we see children as well some of the passengers. It must have been a horrendous accident. We dont know anything yet obviously the black boxes will be the clues. We dont know anything yet as to the cause of this. Well, theres a lot of speculation. There is a recording that has emerged and is being played by the broadcast stations in taipei, the last words of the captain, mayday, they are speculating that it was some sort of engine failure but its really very early to say that. The black boxes have been recovered pretty speedily because the river was quite shallow. It was quite easy to find them. So we should know possibly within days what did bring down this aircraft in this dramatic crash this morning. B ejc andrea . Ian williams thank you for joining us from china. And the fight against isis, a key issue at the nomination hearing for the newly elected secretary of defense to replace chuck hagel. And the vaccination conspiracy theories. What does it mean for diseases we thought were conquered long ago. Well talk to the head of the centers for Disease Control<\/a>. Youre watching Andrea Mitchell<\/a> reports only on msnbc. Stouffers mac and cheese with real aged cheddar now in a convenient cup. New Stouffers Mac<\/a> cups. Made for you to love. Theres nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. So why pause to take a pill . And why stop what youre doing to find a bathroom . With cialis for daily use, you dont have to plan around either. Its the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be Ready Anytime<\/a> the moment is right. Plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. Tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. Do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. Do not drink alcohol in excess. Side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. To avoid longterm injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. If you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision or any symptoms of an allergic reaction stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. Why pause the moment . Ask your doctor about cialis for daily use. For a free 30tablet trial go to cialis. Com [ narrator ] mama sherman and the legion of super fans. Wow [ narrator ] on a mission to get richard to his campbells chunky soup. Its new chunky beerncheese with beef and bacon soup. I love it. And mama loves you. We need partners on the ground to beat isis and the jordanian people have clearly reacted the way that5 x encourages us to support them. The u. S. Strategy in the fight against isis, especially after what happened with the jordanian pilots execution is a topic at the nomination hearing for ashton carter. Adam schiff is joining me now. Lets talk about what happened with isis, congressman and what the coalition is doing. Theres a report today that ive confirmed from elene cooper in the New York Times<\/a> that the uae grounded its pilots because the pentagon has not deployed forward search and rescue units close enough to the region and they dont think that their pilots can be safe. We have to talk to the pentagon about this but what are you hearing . Well i havent heard yet whether this is the case in terms of the uae. I think youre going to see a couple of reactions come out of this, the terrible, brutal murder. I think with respect to jordan, youll see an intensification of their campaign and battling this evil foe. With others its going to make them more nervous with respect to their pilots and with respect to jordan its going to continue to be a vulnerability. And we have other own people in harms way in iraq and syria. Its been a great concern all along and materialized the worst possible way in jordan. But i think the overarching impact may be a consolidation of opinion within the arab world that this cancer really needs to be extricated from their midst. Well in fact according to my reporting, that is the view in the arab world, at least amonglathe allies and this partnership. But they feel that america is 0 bap h lc fighting this war with our hands tied behind our back. We know the domestic reasons for not wanting, you know to go back in to iraq and not wanting to go into syria, but this is what were hearing from saudi arabia from jordan, from some of the others as well in the gulf coalition, that the u. S. Needs to put more troops in, more special forces in, more Forward Deployed<\/a> to have a target. Thats going to put more american lives at risk than more of their own citizens lives at risk but there are many reasons why that doesnt make sense for us and if you look at the situation in eye being ra for example, if we had moved in too precipitously, well still have Nuri Al Maliki<\/a> in charge of iraq and there was the massacre where after liberation of a particular town sunnis may have been massacred by shia militias. If thats the case, its not really going to help the situation. Yes, im not surprised to hear some of our air partners call for a greater military presence. Thats always going to be the easier way for them to go. At the end of the day, this really is their fight and its also their ideological fight and theres obamanly so much we can do and we have to be concerned about taking steps that would be counterproductive because it removes the obligation for them to step up their war efforts. So if thats the case, is this going to continue to be a stalemate with isis grabbing hostages executing them brutally grabbing more territory and why would the present claim on the state of the union that were winning this thing . Well, i dont think its going to continue to be a stalemate and i think in iraq were making progress with the aid of the Peshmerga Forces<\/a> and with the Iraqi Special<\/a> forces. In iraq were going to have to see progress fy iraq before we see any progress in syria. That doesnt mean that we need to have a major combat mission there. If you look at our situation still in afghanistan more than a decade later, having presence of american troops hasnt brought about a longterm solution there. So ie c\u00f7 think we have to be careful not to over interpret the facts on the ground as difficult as they are. We are going to have other hostage situations, that is going to be inevitable but we dont want them toepv propel us to do things that puts our people at risk. And before i let you go Vice President<\/a> and kerry going to ukraine. Would you start arming the ukraine government against the russianbacked separatists . I would. And ive been advocating this for quite some time. Weve given putin plenty of time to deescalate and instead hes moved in the other direction. I think this is not only important in ukraine to avoid this broken conflict along geographic areas but also its an Important Message<\/a> to our allies in the region that we will back them up and wont allow this russian aggression to go unchecked. At many levels its important to step up our support as well. Thank you, congressman adam schiff. Meanwhile, in atlanta, the daughter of Whitney Houston<\/a> has been moved to a different hospital. Bobbi Kristina Brown<\/a> was moved to emory hospital where she remains in a medically induced a coma. Another person or persons may have been in browns home the morning she was found by her friend nick gordon. But could have fled before the police arrived. Meanwhile, an attorney for her father bobbi brown, says brown is not married to nick gordon even though the couple says that they were married shortly after houstons death three years ago. And coming up next, centers for Disease Control<\/a> director Thomas Frieden<\/a> on the measles out outbreak and the debate over vaccines. Youre watching Andrea Mitchell<\/a> reports only on msnbc. Ars, weve helped millions of people protect their families and run their businesses. We have the right people onhand to answer your questions backed by a trusted network of attorneys. So visit us today for legal help you can count on. Legalzoom. Legal help is here. [meow mix jingle slowly and quietly plucks] right on cue. [cat meows] meow, meow, meow, meow. Its more than just a meal its meow mix mealtime. With great taste and 100 complete nutrition, its the only one cats ask for by name. Alright, so this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours, but aleve can last 12 hours. And aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. So why am i still thinking about this . How are you . Aleve, proven better on pain. Parents help their children discover the world animals, seen those before but sometimes they do it on their own mmm foot wow food for giants oooo no wonder no one has eaten this sandwich kids discover the world with their mouths keep laundry pacs out of reach and away from children brought to you by tide a Child Care Center<\/a> in Southern California<\/a> had to be shut down on monday after measles was diagnosed. It may not reopen until friday. According to the cdc at least 10 itcazn cases have been reported in 14 states. Joining me now from atlanta is cdc director dr. Thomas frieden. Thank you for joining me. Thank you. Are we correct with those numbers or has it gone up or down at this point . Well provide those numbers regularly but the bottom line here, two things are happening. First, theres been a global resurgence of measles. Were seeing more measles innp n countries around the world and travelers who go to the u. S. And come back may bring it here and second, were seeing an increase in pockets where parents arentoft getting their kids vaccinated. That puts their kids at risk and others at risk as well. Kids who cant be vaccinated, vulnerable children, babies. Thats what were seeing. Last year we saw more than 600 cases of measles in the u. S. And this year in january alone we saw more than 100. Why do you think this is happening . Why are there these pockets . Are more people the conspiracy theories and the other theories that have really been discredited about the theories of vaccines . Overall 92 of kids are vaccinated and if you look at the other 8 most of the parents of those kids dont have strongly held beliefs. They maybe just dont realize that measles is still around maybe dont realize that their kids being vaccinated is not important just for their kid but for others in their community. And the number who have a very strongly held beliefs about the vaccine is actually quite a bit smaller than that. Should adults now be getting booster shots . If you havent been vaccinated and you were born after 1957 then that is something that you can consider. Many of the cases that weve seen have been among adults. So check with your doctor. Anyone born 1957 or before it almost universally immune because measles was universal before them and almost often deadly. There is still in the u. S. And around the world, even in welloff communities and countries, about 1 in 1,000 kids who get measles may die from it and another 100,000 may get severe brain injury called encephalitis. We saw politicians treating Chris Christie<\/a> rand paul making suggestions, alluding to the theories about autism and other problems with vaccinations which were really discredited in 1998 after that article was withdrawn. Rather, in 2010. It started back in 1998. But even president obama and Hillary Clinton<\/a> flirted with this in 2008 during the campaign suggesting there might be some problems with vaccinations. How do we get to this place . Well, if you look at Vaccine Program<\/a>s all over the world, there has virtually almost never been a Vaccine Program<\/a> where there hasnt been some concern or in fact some paranoia about what the vaccine may contain. Thats why were completely transparent. We give the information on what the measles vaccination contains. Its true, 1 out of 6 kids may have a fever following the vaccine. Your arm may hurt afterwards. But study after study has shown that there are no longterm adverse consequences. Thats why i make sure my kids get vaccinated. But its not just about your kids. Its about the neighbors kid, the kids who cant get vaccinated because they were treated for cancer or a baby who is not old enough yet and measles can be serious. And what about whooping cough . We saw a rise in whooping cough last year. Is that another potential concern . Part of the thing thats driving the increase in whooping cough is lower vaccination rate. The vaccine for purtusis is not as effective as wed like. For measles, its between 93 and 97 effective and if someone has been exposed, they can be exposed afterwards. Dont wait. Get your kid vaccinated on time and for the sake of the baby next door. Very good advice. Dr. Frieden, thank you very much. And jeb bush will be heading to iowa and there are potential Campaign Themes<\/a> for the likely run at the white house. Thats up next, right here on msnbc. Introducing. A pm pain reliever that dares to work all the way until. The am. 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It looks more official than not. Hes going to be making his hou debut in iowa next month after trailing in the bloomberg poll this weekend. Joiningyj daily fix, jeremy peter is a reporter for the New York Times<\/a>, Jonathan Capehart<\/a> and Washington Post<\/a> political reporter niamalika henderson. First to you,inu niamalika, jeb bush acknowledging that hes going to be going toemjy iowa, this is pretty clearly a run that is about to happen. Thats right. And who knew . It seemed unlikely given his temperament and last name. Hes going to be talking in detroit and hes going to unveil this idea of reform conservativism. And, of course, his father had an idea of a kinder and gentler america and george bush, this idea of compassion and conservatism and say tag republicans have been thought of too often as a party who didnt pay enough attention to them so i think we see the early markers of what kind of candidate he will be. And he is obviously petitioning himself now that romney is out of the race against the others who are likely candidates, rand paul and Chris Christie<\/a>. Rand paul and Chris Christie<\/a> both stumbling on the vaccination issue in the last couple of days. Jeremy, you went with rand paul when he very publicly went up on the hill to give himself a booster shot after questioning the value of vaccinations. I want to replay that because it was pretty contentious. Most of the research on this indicates that these actually cost more money over the long term than they save. That is incorrect. Whoa. Lets go back again. Your premise and your question is mistaken okay . Most of the research doesnt indicate that. Kelly, hey im sorry. Go ahead. Calm down a bit here kelly. Let me answer the question. I can tell youre fired up. I apologize for the extent to which the reason for that but what about 2016 . Is this year with an eye towards you entering 2016 as a president ial candidate or maybe getting drafted into one of the campaigns . Were thinking about it and were looking to see if the message resonates. Part of the problem is that you end up having interviews like this where the interview is so slanted and full of distortions that you dont get useful information. I think this is what is bad about tv sometimes. Frankly, if we do this again, you need to start out with a little more objectivity going into the interview. Well, and he also during that interview jeremy, questioned the value of vaccinations, even though later he says that he hadnt. Jeremy . Im sorry andrea, i didnt think that question was very objective so i was going to ignore it. You know seriously speaking, though, the problem is, if rand paul starts to get a reputation leak like Chris Christie<\/a> and one of the things that candidates are afraid of, that really scares off donors, is whether or not this person has a president ial temperament. And when you lash out at reporters, you risk looking like you dont that youre tempermental and that you dont leak you cant handle scrutiny. He has to be careful Going Forward<\/a> that he doesnt have any more eruptions like this. Though they do, quote unquote on liberal media, they do tend to play to the conservative base. You were with him, jeremy, when he got a booster shot. Hes a medical doctor and said on that same interview ive heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines. Closed quote. We have gone through this before with senator paul where he says something gets in trouble for it and denies that he said it and everyone replays the clip of him saying what he said he didnt say. So how senator paul can say he didnt say these things and try to make it the medias fault is beyond me. I have to agree with jeremy, if he gets into fights with the media, like the clip we just saw, it does speak to temperament and says whether or not hes ready for the big league. Running for president and being president means answers questions that you would really rather not and being held up for scrutiny. And hes just not ready yet. Hes not ready perhaps, but you could argue that there can be some value in a republican primary of taking on the media and being the way that Chris Christie<\/a> has. Sure. It gives you a shortterm geanain but how well is that going to go over with the general election population that he will have to depend on to get elected . Folks must love that bully temperament of Chris Christie<\/a> amongst republican primary voters. They might even like what senator paul did on cnbc. But middle of the road voters, those voters looking for solutions and temperament and expertise and knowhow, they are not going to like that. To go on television to saya heard of people who have been harmed without at least offering up a name, a study a report, its irresponsible. And niamalika of course, the likely democratic nominee is already, according to our own reporting, is looking at a possible Campaign Headquarters<\/a> in brooklyn rather than Westchester County<\/a> rather than in white mains. Brooklyn would be an attractive option in terms of the graphics that were looking at. Brooklyn is a much hipper place. Thats the kind of demographic, the kind of tone that she wants to set if shes a person who wants to go after the obama coalition. Its got a culture that she might be looking for. She may wait to announce as late as july. In the meantime, shes got a field that looks it looks so far like its not emerging. Shes scaring folks away because of her tremendous power and her ability to get donors. Were going to have to leave it there. Jeremy ill argue with you any day. Thank you. Niamalika and jonathan thank you. The murder trial in boston of former new England Patriots<\/a> player Aaron Hernandez<\/a> is charged of killing semipro Football Player<\/a> odin lloyd. Lloyds mother is at this point testifying. Lloyd left the courtroom crying several times as prosecutors showed photos of her sons dead body. And his girl friend, who is also a sister of hernandezs fiancee, finished her testimony this morning. She testified the day after the murder hernandez comforted her. Did he say hes been through this and that it will get better with time. I believe he said it will get better with time. 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We intend to find out not only what happened but we want to find out why it happened and our sole purpose for being here is to offer recommendations to hopefully keep this from happening again. And thats why we are here. It is the deadliest accident in the history of the metro norths system which carries hundreds of commuters to and from new york city each day. This is the most recent in a series of accidents on the busy commuter line. And up next boston celebrates its super bowl victory. Youre watching msnbc. And well have to use like double maybe more im going back to the store . Yes you are. Dish issues . Get cascade complete. One pac cleans tough food better than 6 pacs of the bargain brand combined. Cascade. Now thats clean. Alright, so this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours, but aleve can last 12 hours. And aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. So why am i still thinking about this . How are you . Aleve, proven better on pain. A very patriotic parade is under way as the new England Patriots<\/a> are making their way through the city. Nbcs ron mott joins me now despite the cold. Ron, this is a happy day in boston. Some people thought it was too much snow too much cleanup to have the parade but its happening anyway. Reporter right. The parade is pretty much to our east now and heading towards downtown. You can see behind me a lot of people are going to be critical of the mayor and this administration for attempting to hold this parade which was originally scheduled for yesterday and they needed another day because of the weather to try to get prepared for this. There was a festive parade about half an hour from start to finish and there was pentup excitement here. The last super bowl championship was ten years ago. All of their favorite players were here coach belichick, the owner, bob kraft. Paths pats fans are very happy. I see them holding on to the lombardi trophy. I hope they dont fumble it. 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