Against the white house decision to have the president s chief of staff and his lawyer show up at the onset of two classify tds Intelligence Briefings on the russia probe in which the president is a subject. Trump attorney emmett flood and john kelly both coming to both briefings. The first at the department of justice. The second in congress secure intelligence rooms opinion an unprecedented intrusion in the classified intelligence process by the president oos advocates. They were demanded by House Republicans to review Sensitive Information about the fbis use of informant at the beginning of the russia probe. The president has claimed without any evidence that the fbi embedded a quote spy in his campaign. The president wanted them to attend and saying they are entitled know what the government has on fbi informants who met with members of trump campaign. Nbc Kelly Odonnell is at the white house for us and Pete Williams joining us from the news room here in washington. Rudy giuliani doesnt make any fwobones about it. Reporter in my conversations with Rudy Giuliani hes talked about the necessity for the Trump Legal Team to know as mump about the fbis use of an informant prior to the president submitting to any interview should this come to pass. They want know what was included in documents that would typically been the reports based on any intelligence or information provided by a confidential human source, an informant. Thats not a surprise coming from the Trump Legal Team. When youre talking about john kelly, chief of staff and emmett flood special counsel inside the white house, both federal government employee, its been described to us their presence was more to frame the White House Point of view in a way to spin the president s desire to have this kind of a briefing and to argue that he does want transparency and wants there to be a proper airing of this information. They knew there had been big blow back by taking this out of the normal chain of how these matters are briefed to members of congress who have direct oversight or the leadership who are commonly known as the gang of 8 who have the most access to government secrets with the congressional point of view. Whiy did they agree to this . They didnt want to do this. Theres two reasons. One is partly because congress has been demanding it and theres always been this threat that if congress doesnt get what it wants, it could initiate proceedings to get rid of rod rosenstein, but the larger reason is the president said he wanted them to do it. The president has basically directed the Justice Department to cooperate with the Congressional Republicans in giving them access to the documents and letting them look over the shoulders of the fbi while its in the middle of a criminal investigation. Very unusual but the Justice Department, to large extent, what doing what the president wanted them to do. Thanks to Kelly Odonnell and Pete Williams. Joining it seems to me the former director of the cia and security and intelligence contributor. John you and a number of your colleagues, former cia directors all protesting this from different administrations. It goes fr what was so unusual and so offensive . In our experience these very sensitive Counter Intelligence investigations need to be handled very delicately and in a bipartisan manner. What ive seen theyre doing, he seems to not want to do anything in the traditional bipartisan way. When it affects Counter Intelligence investigations this has real serious consequences that can be very harmful to what the investigators need to do in order to uncover the facts. Its harmful to this investigation you would allege but also to other informants out there who would not be afraid their identities will be disclosed as this was. They cannot be promised the confidentiality they need. I think theres a lot of questions in the minds of vi individual who is may be informants or individuals overseas who are doing things on behalf of the United States government when theres this cavalier and inappropriate handling of information and trying to expose names of individuals doing things that they put themselves at risk reputationally and as well as in danger. The president was tweeting about this today. I want to get your reaction. He wrote everyone knows there was a spy. In fact the people who were involved in the spying are admitting that there was a spy. Widespread spying involving multiple people. Mollie hemmingway hastes this monster story. Hes kwequoting from a friendly source. He keeps using the word spy. Hes a master of branding. He called it spy gate. Whats the difference between an informant and a spy . First of all i think theres very typical of mr. Trump to mischaracterize. Hes a master of mischaracterization and dishonesty. A spy is recruited. Usually its a Foreign National who is going to work on behalf of u. S. Intelligence agencies and provide information about issues related to our National Security. A confidential human source is what the fbi uses in order to have some insight into what may be going on that could involve criminal activity and so to label someone as a spy when they are confidential human source is doing a disservice to these individuals but to the fbi. This is something that mr. Trump is masterful at in terms of twisting the truth in order to support his narrative. Whats the difference between an informant who tries to find out at the beginning of this investigation, an informant trying to find out if theres truth to allegations of russian collusion or someone who is embedded and planted spying inside the campaign as the president describes it . For fbi investigations there need to be a predicate. Needs to be a premise to be able to pursue these leads. This is what the fbi needs. A lot of people are saying the fbi and the cia didnt do enough to uncover. This is what the fbi was supposed to do and thankfully they did it. This is essential for fbi to be able to do its work. Isnt this less intrusive than putting a wire on someone or asking for a fisa warrant on an american citizen . They may use a confidential human source. They may use some type of physical or technical surveillance. They may use other types of authorized techniques in other words to gain that kind of information thats going to allow them to better understand what foreign actors, in in case, russia was doing to try to undermine our democracy. Youre one of the top advisors in the nsc in the Obama White House and had a long experience as an Intelligence Officer studying north korea and other hard targets thats perhaps one of the hardest targets. Here we have the president cancelling a summit without notifying his allies or a congress and some said theres been reporting that it was done on the advice of john bolton without proper notice, prior notice or prior discussion of full National Security counsel discussion with his own advisors. Theres a denial today from senior officials that theres a rift between bolton and the secretary of state. They have discussed this with the president today but in any case theres a lot of reporting that bolton was advocating getting out of summit long before secretary pompeo and secretary mattis were. How would you describe the process as you see it from the outside . Well, i think we all knew that donald trump was inexperienced in International Affairs and complex issues like north korea and in the ways of diploma diplomacy. Hes not only demonstrating inexperience and also incompetence. Hes moved on these matters based on what his gut and instinct tells him. His acceptance of summit quickly without thinking through it or talking about i want with his advisors showed the way he pursues the art of the deal which is very, very dangerous when dealing with such matters. Also what we have seen in the past several days is the lack of coordination and coherence in the approach. I wouldnt refer to it add a strategy. Secretary pompeo was blind sided by this as was president moon of south korea. He needs to make sure they are kept well informed and interacts with them to try to get their perspectives and deals with a vexing issue such as north korea in the most competent and coherent manner. I think he has failed to show that. I think its critically important to have that dialogue taking place. Do you think its important to bring china on board because theres a lot of reporting ive had and other experts suggesting, as the president suggested, that china may have gotten north korea kim jongun at that second meeting with xxi to toughen his stance. I dont think that president xi was a bit upset that there was going to be the u. S. North korean summit without china. China has been the protector of north korea. Maybe its time to try to reinitiate the six party talks. I think bringing the parties to this issue together and not just having these engagements. Always a pleasure. Coming up, charged. Harvey weinstein indicted for rape and sex crimes. Live from the courthouse next. [stomach gurgles] when you have nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea. Girl, pepto ultra coating will treat your stomach right. Nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea. Try new pepto with ultra coating. You might or joints. Hing for your heart. But do you take something for your brain. With an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is the number one selling brainHealth Supplement in drug stores nationwide. Prevagen. The name to remember. 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Eliquis, the number one cardiologistprescribed blood thinner. Ask your doctor if eliquis is whats next for you. Disgrace ed hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein arrested on rape and other charges. This comes months after a slew of allegations toppled his career sparking be Metoo Movement. The charges stem from two women. One who said he forced her to perform oral sex during what she expected to be a casting meeting. Hes been charged with firstdegree criminal sex act in that case and first degree rape and thirddegree rape in another. Hes denied all charges. The 66yearold is currently free after posting a Million Dollars in cash on a 10 Million Dollar ponbond. Surrendering his passport and wearing an ankle bracelet at all times. Welcome. You were there. It looked like a circus out there as you were all gathered around the criminal attorney. Tell us the key points about what took place. Reporter it was extraordinary for this man who was once one of the most powerful men in hollywood and because of the work he did with women, many of them ended up on the red carpet. Now he ended up, today, in a perp walk with his hands handcuffed behind him going into this courthouse to face charges that you pointed out. Rape in the first degree, criminal sexual assault. He had his powers stripped from him. Very quiet, not much said from Harvey Weinstein. His attorney came out here and spoke with reporters afterwards and said he is going to fight these charges. Harvey weinstein denies that anything these women allege happens. The difference is this happens in the right of what you said is the Metoo Movement which was sparked by the dozens of charges that were waged against Harvey Weinstein who exhibited or pointed out a pattern of behavior they allege on the part of Harvey Weinstein meaning that young women who were asked to come to his office or to his hotel room and thinking they were going to get some help in furthering their career. Instead they got something that was very much unwanted in kind of sexual unconduct. In terms of the monitor, the court says he will be allowed to move between new york and connecticut but any effort to move outside of these states will have to be agreed to. I saw in the Court Appearance that he agreed to not fight extradition from any other jurisdiction and gave up his passport and not be able the fly around the world as he wants to do. I was struck by the defense. My job is not to defend behavior. My job is something to defend something criminal behavior. Bad behavior, mr. Weinstein did not invent the casting couch in hollywood and to the extent theres bad behavior in that industry, that is not what this is about. Bad behavior is not on trial in this case. Reporter pretty extraordinary. Daniel goldman, how hard is it to prove cases like this when a lot of his behavior, alleged behavior happened years ago and when youve got an aggressive, experienced criminal attorney who is definitely going to put these victims on trial. You just highlighted the difference between the court of Public Opinion and the Metoo Movement and the belief that Harvey Weinstein has assaulted many, many women as many people have come out and say. The difference in the actual courtroom and in a trial situation and theres not only the issue of evidence which is difference from what we may talk about in our daily lives but there has to be admissible evidence and proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Thats why these cases are very, very difficult. Youre going to have someone like ben who ive had cases against and is a very, very good defense lawyer. Hes going to be able to, not necessarily, to attack the women in a typical rape case but bring out the fact they wanted to get something from Harvey Weinstein too. Thats going to be, i think, what hes setting up the defense. It may not be nice conduct that he abused his power but these women agreed to do it for a variety of reasons and when you have to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, that is a viable defense, i think in this case. Then the question will be he also raised whether you can get a jury in the situation given the fact that hes been reported on and vilified and become a symbol of all the excesses thats been alleged. Mr. Goldman, one thing comes to mind. Why wasnt he charged before the New York Times there was reporting. Wasnt the Rape Allegation several years ago . There was an allegation that he fondled a woman and then the nypd wired up the woman and made a recording of Harvey Weinstein the next day, i believe talking about what happened the day before and ultimately the das office decided not to go forward on that case because there were conflicting stories and they were concerned about the witnesss credibility. That goes to the point that youre raising which is a good one. This appears to be, by all accounts, a much more extense i ive investigation than you might see. There are reports the investigators have traveled all over the world interviewing people and one of the Critical Issues that will come out is whether or not the judge will allow evidence about other allegations to come in. Thats a very tricky legal question. The fact that he used by the public accounts that we have seen, the same m. O. , the same method to do this may be the avenue for prosecutors to get in some of the other evidence. Thats something to keep an eye on. Thank you for your expertise. Quite a media circus. Thanks so much for being with us today. Appreciate it. Coming up, mixed messages. Why President Trump now says talks with north korea could still happen on june 12th. Youre watching Andrea Mitchell reports. Stay with us. Find the remote yet . Nah. Honey look, your old portable cd player. My high school rethainer. Oh dont. Its early 90s sitcom star dave coulier. Cut. It. Out [laughing] what year is it . As long as stuff gets lost in the couch, you can count on geico saving folks money. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Welcome to holiday inn thank you wait, i have something for you every stay is a special stay at holiday inn. Save up to 15 when you book early at hollidayinn. Com save up to 15 when you book early i was wondering if an electric toothbrush really cleans better than a manual. And my hygienist says it does but theyre not all the same. Who knew . I had no idea. 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