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MSNBCW Ayman July 3, 2024

To win. Great to see you, enjoy your evening. Good evening, tonight, from the courtroom to the public arena, its been a very bad week for donald trump, with legal losses and waning influence over his congressional colleagues. Is it a sign of things to come . Looking ahead to the high stakes legal showdown as the Supreme Court gets ready to hear trumps president ial immunity claim. Where are critics of cancel culture when you need them . You will hear from the Usc Valedictorian His Graduation Speech was pulled after publicly supporting palestinians. Lets do it. Over the last seven days, donald trump has suffered an avalanche of embarrassing defeats, amounting to what is perhaps his worst week yet. Things were off to a rocky start monday, when his Hush Money Trial finally came kicked off in new york. The fact that this trial started was already a huge loss for donald trump, who tried time and time again, up to the very end, to delay these proceedings. Setbacks followed as the judge opened the first day of court by denying trumps motion for his recusal. The judge also cajoled a hearing to decide whether trump could be held in contempt for violating his gag order which prosecutors say has happened now three times did by tuesday, it seemed the judge had enough of trumps courtroom antics, admonishing him for making comments about it respect juror. Wednesday, though court was not in session, it was still on trumps mind as he took the Social Media Platform to make clear that he was not happy with the way the process was going. That carried into this weekend. Saturday, trump had to cancel his first rally since the trail trial began, citing bad weather. While this was happening in public, more was going wrong for trump behind the scenes. According to new filings, his president ial Campaign Committee and in march with 45 million on hand, significantly less than president bidens 85 million total. That deficit forced the ex president kicked up his Fundraising Pace as his Legal Expense and Legal Expenses are draining millions. But this might not be his biggest concern. Saturday, the republican controlled house voted to send over 60 billion to ukraine in a direct rebuke of trump, who, for years, has infected the gop with his prorussian, anti ukraine agenda. It was a phone call with Ukrainian President , Volodymyr Zelenskyy, that led to trumps first impeachment in december of 2019. Earlier today, Volodymyr Zelenskyy made sure to thank the Bipartisan Coalition for sending his country that badly needed aid. Watch. Translator thank you, to congress, for the bipartisan support and thank you to Speaker Johnson and president biden. Indeed, it is much needed support from the United States of america. In a new piece for the atlantic, saturdays vote could spell trouble for trumps hopes to take the white house. The expresident s inability to port ukraine aden Congress Shows that his influence has, at the very least, deflated. That may be a repeating pattern in the year ahead. Lets bring in my panel for this hour. Weird working on trying to get rick wilson, but molly, lets start with you. Any other way to describe this week, other than bad, for donald trump . Thats the most basic term, with a legal term . What was amusing was the fact that all of us did not think it would be bad. What is a criminal trial . Its bad. The guys at 100 million to try to avoid a criminal trial, and then he sits down. This is not weeks and weeks, its been four days. Hes fallen asleep three of the days, he has been angry and deflated. A reporter said that as he was leaving, he looked exhausted. He cant sit there, hes bored and miserable, he acts out. The judge told him what to do and more importantly, he looks diminished. Thats a good point. Rick wilson is now with us, cofounder of the lincoln project. We were talking about how bad a week this was for donald trump and molly brought up the point, specifically, of how diminished trump looks. For me, the thing i noticed was that trump was forced to cancel his rally, yesterday, with the candidate splitting his time between the court and the campaign trail, every day counts. How is Defendant Trump Making Candidate trumps life more and more difficult . You know, i dont know about strong moral guidance, it must be part of, maybe i shouldnt have done so much to put me in court, maybe i should have considered more thoroughly how to govern myself. He brought this on himself. The lack of the ability to campaign really will become an element of friction for trump and of course, the rest of this year, but he brought this on himself. None of this came out of anyones actions other than his own, but that is correct. He looks diminished, he looks small, and hes a guy who cannot they awake. He cannot govern himself in court. All of these things, this is only the first three days of the trial. We will get much worse behavior out of him and i think it will have a political Branding Problem for him. This is taking a toll, financially, on him and his campaign, according to the latest record. Basically, 26 of his political spending went to Legal Expenses. It is draining him, financially. Trump has, the reason he has been able to kick the cannon on so many trials is because he is very good lawyers, and they are expensive. Its a real problem with large Dollar Donors. He is another problem with small Dollar Donors, but with large Dollar Donors, they are affluent people. They know the system. Small Dollar Donors are probably the people that donald trump is grafting at rallies to say, hes the one bending between you and the system, where the big Dollar Donors, it doesnt work so much. Exactly. I think that when you see trump with these donors, he has 200 less small Dollar Donors. You cant keep telling this story again and again and its been so many years and he has not delivered them the results. Rick, National Polls consistently show the rematch between trump and biden could hinge on a few state, perhaps even a single one. How does the cash crunch set this strategy back . Right now, what trump does not have the money to do is go into arizona, nevada, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. At the scale that joe biden can go in and do early advertising, organizing, the Trump Campaign was always a village and this time, theyve been swept through and burned to the ground and scattered to the four winds. There is no there. Is not a Real Campaign being run. It comes down to control, causing chaos to generate that energy that he had in 2016 and was able to buy, in 2020 when he did have resources. I want to ask about russia, because yesterday was a setback for the russia wing of the republican party, this kind of antiukraine wing. Its something that donald trump basically held control over. What does it tell you, the fact that despite his best efforts to prevent the house from passing ukraine aid, it still passed . What does that tell you about his grip on the party when it comes to at least to this issue . There have been a number of full internally, at the congressional Judicial Fund and the nrc see that has told republicans the truth and that is that Vladimir Putin has a 6 Approval Rating sit among people like jamie vance, matt gates, rest of the crazy putin group, he has a high Approval Rating. Theres a huge difference between what Republican Voters in the world believe and what is weird Putin Fan Club in d. C. Believes, and that penetrated mike johnson, it penetrated a lot of the republicans out there. There were a certain number of republicans wanted to do the right thing. It wasnt the entire caucus that believes it, but those like Marjorie Taylor green, when moscow mule marjorie trends, even the New York Post is attacking her for being a putin simple and it means something. This is one that trump had tremendous vulnerability, and now there has been a break. The next time they dont succeed in blocking ukraine, i dont think it will be six months. The next thing we have to do is this, because i think Republican Leadership understood how poison putin is. He does have control, when it comes to issues like immigration. We saw the republicans not actually pass the most comprehensive Immigration Reform bill in generations. He does have control in some parts of the party. Why was he able to not exercise that when you have mike johnson seeing the reality hit him in the face . Thats a good question because that border bill was very right wing. Close the border, it did so democrats normally would not agree to. I dont know. I wonder how much mike johnson just sort of was like, this is the end for me. Its unlikely hes going to be able to keep his job. This is the burn it down caucus. They want destruction. Marjorie taylor green said she got paul goesr, and tom massey to go along with her. An allstar lineup did they are trying to sink any ship, so i think i could be wrong, but if you like they cant campaign on ukraine. Its a scare tactic that can be used to jam up the base. People cant convince, hey, ukraine it is so dangerous, right . He did not kill it the way he did with the border bill. He didnt say, you have to do that. Rick, thank you, molly, we will talk to you in a bit. Next, a bid for immunity hits the court. What to expect, next. In a relationship. If youre sexually active and unvaccinated, it could still be you. Im too old er 4v clears on its own. But for those who dont clear the virus, it can cause certain cancers. Wow. 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Lets bring in our nbs msnbc legal analyst and molly is still with us. Carol, its taken an exceptionally long time to get to this moment. I think, troublingly long. What are the big things youre watching for, and were you at all concerned about how slow this hearing was . Well, to answer your first question, what we are going to be looking for, here, is how the court ends up dividing, if they divide, on certain issues. Fundamentally, there are two big issues the Supreme Court has agreed to to get to a resolution on the first is whether the president , in the events leading up to january 6th, was really acting in president ial capacity, whether he was exercising president ial duties or whether the even enter the outer perimeter of his wrath of his president ial duties. If the answer is yes, the Supreme Court has to decide, and does immunity apply, does it apply to the socalled president ial ask . In particular, do they apply when the president is no longer the president and is a former president . Even in those issues, there really five or six issues. It will probably take the court some time to resolve it and they probably wont come out with a decision until late june. On the question of, is it troubling it took so long . Yes. I dont think it had to take so long. I think this was a compromise and its my speculation there were certain justices who said, i dont see why we should expedite this at all and there were other justices who said, lets get this show on the road. They did expedite it but not as much as some thought they should. Lets talk about the Trump Argument that i would argue defies logic, that somehow a sitting president is immune from anything, basically. It seems to defy the very basic logic of our country that nobody is above the law in this country. Right. First of all, its insane that the Supreme Court is hearing this. They are helping him by prolonging this and even though we know there are these, weve heard them talk about it in other arguments, trump has his people on the court and they are going to work hard to try to help their guy. We keep seeing this again and again. We saw this in arguments last week. I do think that it is insane, the idea that if the president does a crime, its not a crime. This is like nixon staff, except nixon resigned. Its crazy. I dont think the American People wanted, i dont think the founders would want it, and its a hard sell to the American People, that im a king, and emperor, a god. You could have Seal Team Six assassinate arrival in that case. A hard sell for the American People but maybe not the Supreme Court. Carol, if the court does reject trumps immunity claim, it could send the case back to a lower court for more deliberation. Talk about that for a second. Could this result in yet another delay for a potential trial, and the delay of justice, if you will, for donald trump . It could. I honestly dont expect the court to do that. Its possible, they can always send an issue back to the lower court to say, you need to resolve this and then we will take it up again. I think there is a path for the court to resolve on a narrow basis and thats what they should do, a principal of Appellate Court procedure that you only decide the cases on the most narrow base that you can and you leave all speculation and other issues to future cases when you have the facts in front of you, so thats possible. This Immunity Decision is not likely to affect it all. The idea of, during the president ial campaign when youre not the president , paying off somebody with hush money and falsifying Business Records is in no way a president ial duty, so these are separate issues. Does the fact, in the new york Hush Money Trial, the fact that he brought up the issue that, if im not correct, part of the transaction of the payment happened when he became president , prior, and thats in the scandal was, that Michael Cohen was involved in, there was a time he was saying you have to ask Michael Cohen. Is there a window in which prior to being president and during presidency, that could be applied . Most likely not, even though he signed a check while he was president , a check that went to Michael Cohen, that ultimately went to stormy daniels, it all related back to conduct that took place before he be

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