Will the former aide says donald trump told her just as a classified documents investigation was heating up. Im Charles Coleman jr, in for ayman mohyeldin. Lets get started, weve got a lot to talk about. But first, breaking news. Time is running out with just seven days away from a Government Shutdown. Most House Republicans or nowhere to be found. Literally. They have left washington to go home with no resolution insight. On thursday, for the second time this week, House Republicans failed to stop debate on a bill to fund the Defense Department after five farright members of speaker mccarthys own caucus blocked the measure and demand additional spending cuts. This marks yet another embarrassing moment for mccarthy, with the defeated theory telling members to go home, canceling all votes for the weekend. On friday, mccarthy told reporters that the next bullet could be held on tuesday. This time to take up a rule of a series of appropriations known as a mini bus. He says they believe they have made problems with the conservative holdouts, but with this kind of optimism from the speaker before and look towards darkness. Pretty much nowhere. Breaking news, a few hours ago, we got word that House Republicans have a conference what call were mccarthy told halers and his caucus that, quote, now is not the time to work against him. Ll, when . Is four weeks, House Republicans have been infighting, and that infighting has parallels, rather, paralyzed, the house. Preventing them from pausing the short term funding bill which is necessary to get the governments doors open beyond September 30th when the funding is set to run out. This looming shutdown has most americans on edge. In fact, according to a new survey, more than half of americans say the shutdown of the federal government would affect them personally. And 68 of those say the threat of a Government Shutdown decreases their trust in how we run our government institutions. This isnt a question who will be the responsibility for that lost trust. As Bill Scheer Points Out and a new piece from washington monthly, if the gop fails to avoid a shutdown, theyll be, quote, we are in the proverbial dons cap. Ch he goes on to, right, quote there should be no confusion about who is to blame. The republican extremists who are okay with Furloughing Made Inspectors and the speaker, too afraid of losing his job to put them in the replay swiftly. And quote. But dont just take his work for it. Here is what republican congressman and bastion of civility matt gaetz told reporters this week, pending a shut down on one man and one man alone. Quote, we will have a Government Shutdown and its absolutely speaker mccarthys fault. We cannot blame joe biden for not havent moved our individual spending bills. We cannot blame house democrats. We cant even blame Chuck Schumer in the senate. And quote. Now if youre like me, you probably didnt have occurring with matt gaetz on your weekly bingo card. Trust me. Im just as surprised as anyone out there. But the truth is the truth. And with that, lets get started with our sights a donut panel. Joining me is Kurt Bardella, democratic religious. Also a former spokesperson for republicans on the House Oversight committee. In studio, i have danny cevallos, my friend, criminal defense attorney, and msnbc legal analyst and paola ramos, a journalist and msnbc contributor joins us as well. To begin, kurt, lets talk. Mccarthy cant even get his own caucus together to pass a procedural vote. We saw that this week. Now since 1995, the house has only failed to pass a rules resolution a total of eight times. All of those times or under republican control. Now three of those times have come just within the last eight months under mccarthys leadership. Why does he keep embarrassing himself publicly like this . Yeah, charles, this is republicans in disarray all over again. And its a script were becoming all too familiar with. And i think if anything, i hope this makes everybody appreciate the leadership that nancy pelosi demonstrates when she was facing a very similar narrow margins in her majority, was able to ship right through monumental election time and time again. She was able to keep her caucus and won because she possessed legitimate leadership skills. Kevin mccarthy is a leader and speaker in name only. Hes not in charge of this caucus, they run roughshod over him. Hes created a tournament result of the most extreme, lunatic, fringe, conspiracy driven more runs in his caucus to type the entire effect of the floor of the house of representatives. Thats one of the most abject failures of leadership we are ever seen in the history of the United States congress. I cant imagine other republicans back in the day, people like tom delay, people even like Newt Gingrich pushing up with this type of insubordination, lunacy, and strategic Moronic Playbook that the matt gaetzs of the world are trying to play. Its a losing hand, everyone knows it. Mccarthys illusion speak right. Now asked the question, how much longer as you can if you are malcolm self to be limited good point. Hard to me i mentioned to imagine a new drug which went house that we have this level of insubordination from his own party, no less. Ill give you a cultural tip. It certainly basis you may hear, intellectuals for example, someone saying everything is a setup for a come back. What it seems like in the case of kevin mccarthy, his election as speaker was just a set up for a fall back. Paola, its the chaos a side effect of how he came to power . Is at the fact hes beholden to too many masters, in essence, and cant really correct a hold of his party and move forward . Of course. At the end of the day, this is his doing. But i think its important, to kurts point, hes missing some of the most fundamental characteristics that nancy pelosi had. That was courage, integrity, which he doesnt have. And morals. He has a lot of. That he wants to govern, if you want to be speaker of the house, if he wants to really lean into the power that roll necessary tights, you need these characteristics. The only reason we are we are is because he emboldened the maga republicans. He gave him that power, why . Because he himself went to power. He doesnt even have power. He doesnt have power when hes at the top of the power structure. Again, how long can we go with this . At the end of the day, its not just the American People that will suffer from this. Its also our democracy. What we are seeing truly is the slow decline of the erosion of this democracy. Ask any american right now, two in ten americans right now actually believes the American Government is doing the right thing. That is a very dangerous thing. Danny, i want to talk to you about what seems to be the most placed focus of republicans. This week we had Merrick Garland and others testify in front of a House Committee basically around this gearing up for the impeachment conversation. That hearing was wrought with a lot of misinformation, and thats something that has been peddled throughout the party. And one of the things that the shutdown is the notion that somehow, if we pull the plug unfortunately government, thats going to defund or stop the prosecution by the doj of donald trump in d. C. And southern florida. Can you speak to that . A lot of people are confused and dont know what the effect, if any, will be. Even if its a total Government Shutdown, the criminal courts and the government, by government i made the u. S. Attorneys and the eighth usa who are prosecuting cases, those continue. The Government Shutdown shuts down nonessential work. That has been for sometime now considered essential work of the government, to continue precedent criminals. And you can imagine, charles, what it would be like if that was an area or an agency that did shut down. If doj and fbi and everyone else, it well, government shut down, we are not working. Imagine if the bureau of persons simply didnt come to work. There are folks living at those facilities. So they have to move on. There are essential workers, certainly for a long time, criminal prosecution has been concerted within that essentially kind of work. That goes on no matter what shutdown happens. So that means, at least in the two federal prosecutions of donald trump, this will continue. Shut down, partial done, no shutdown at all. Thank you. Kurt, i want your reaction to the survey i was just talking about. More than half of the market has issued from a federal government would affect him personally. 68 say the threat of one just decreases their trust in the government. So, with the gop knowing this, how worried should they be about those numbers and what a pull up and tells us in terms of where america stands around the shutdown . Yeah, i mean, when you think about the fundamental Description Function of congress, its to pass laws, pass a budget, keep the government running and keep the government funded. When you fail at your most basic Job Description and responsibility, youre basically taking a billboard to the American Public saying were unfair to serve, were unfit to be representatives, were unfit to hold the reins of power. At the same time, somehow, you found the time to hold a bogus impeachment proceeding and witch hunts targeting your political effort yours and the biden family. Its reconcilable. You cant say were doing it for the people that prosecuting joe biden, but were also going to shut down the government because we cant even get a majority of our own conference together on the senate to do the basic perfunctory Job Description. There is no reason why anyone in america should have confidence in this republican majority. Paula, speaking of polling which we were just talking about, the publics approval of the Republican Party has Hit Record Lows in October Of 2013 after the shutdown at that point. So at this place again, and it seems as though were headed for another crash course with the government closing. Why is it that some of these republicans actually believe that a shutdown would be to their benefit politically . Help me understand that because all the signs of what we know before says that, when this happens, the polls go down. So what does it make them think that they can afford to have this happen now . I dont think i can answer this question because i truly do not understand. What i do understand are those polls. Why theyre declining, why trust is declining, why . Because theyre so hypocritical. Lets just take whats happening at the southern border. This is an issue that republicans claim that they care so much about. If the government shuts down, the u. S. Southern border will effectively be less safe. Right . As were talking right now, there is a massive humanitarian crisis happening there. 7000 migrants are apprehended every single day. Two migrants died just last week Border Patrol agents, Law Enforcement agents, that these maga republicans come to defend, they will continue to work if the government is shut down, but they will not be paid. If we know from previous shutdowns is that, if that happens, that does cause filmed abilities. And that will make Law Enforcement agents less safe. Test your question, i dont know, but i do understand why the public does not trust them. Donny, you and i talk notes on both a lot, when it comes to indictments and what it means for what this motion signifies. I want to talk theory really quickly. Theres all this information being put out about the doj about and how thats moving. Is there any concern as lawyers who practice in this space, that by vilifying the doj that there is the potential through this Misinformation Campaign to decrease Public Confidence in our legal system, in our Criminal Justice system, and the people who are responsible for Holding Accountable folks who do wrong . Criminal Defense Attorneys have been criticizing the dojs since time immemorial. Its something that happens. It is something that trump, for example, seems to have a lot more hot spot to do. Hes a lot more fearless then i would be. I have plenty of criticisms. I dont voice them like that. And i hope that mine are more substantive than donald trump s. His idea that the doj is a puppet of a president is just not how the doj works. When you think of the Cabinet Members of the cabinet, the doj, the attorney general, is different from other members of the cabinet because he as an attorney, as the head of the justice department, exercises his own discretion. Now, is there is some degree of alliance and that they Work Together and they know each other and Merrick Garland serves at the pleasure of the president . Sure. But, doj is an independent engine nc. So charles, as much as i criticize a usas who prosecutes my cases, i understand that they act independently. And if theyre loyal to any, think theyre loyal, not to the president , but to the system itself. They are all and i think you probably would agree with me, when you deal with a usa, is in your cases, they are loyal to they believe in the system, they believe in the justice system, irrespective of who sitting in the white house. As a former prosecutor, this is criticism that i do not miss. Paulo ramos, thank you so much. Curt and danny, stick around. You guys are staying with. Me well come back to you later in the hour. 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Youre watching a man on msnbc. I am Charles Coleman jr, in for him and tonight. The government can shut down in just seven days and four hours. And republicans are laser focused not on Keeping Doors of the government open, but rather on expanding their evidence free Impeachment Inquiry into president joe biden. In fact, just days before a possible shutdown, the House Oversight committee is scheduled to hold its first hearing related to that very inquiry. Theres some new reporting that suggest some republicans already fear the committees handling of that matter before we have even had the hearing. According to axios, colleagues of chairman James Comer Have become so fed up with his exaggerations an