The space left not only empty but largely vandalized by donald trump, as the countrys healer, united and law and justice president ial candidate. The former Vice President is holding a Community Event in kenosha, wisconsin, this afternoon. Days after calling for the prosecution of anyone who breaks the law and destroys property or becomes violent in protests there or anywhere in america. Here he is speaking to the hostility and anger weve seen emerge. I made a mistake about something. I thought you could defeat hate. Hate only hides. It only hides. And when someone in authority breathes oxygen under that rock, it legitimizes those folks to come on out. Biden as well known as a comforter in chief as any figure on the National Stage in either political party, met privately today with the family of jacob blake. According to blakes attorney, those participated including blakes parents and other family members and even jacob over the froen. His attorney saying, quote, jacob jr. Shared about the pain hes enduring and the Vice President come misrated. The Vice President told the family that he believes the best of america is in all of us and that we need to value all our differences as we come together in americas great melting pot. It was very obvious that Vice President biden cared, as he extended to jacob jr. A sense of humanity, treating him as a person worthy of consideration and prayer. And then in the other corner, the countrys heckler in chief, donald trump, calling for felony voter fraud by asking voters in North Carolina to vote twice, while also seeking to rob some of the largest American Cities of federal funds, calling them anarchist jurisdictions. The New York Times reporting. Quote, the move is almost certain to face legal challenges and democrats and city officials reacted furiously. Officials in new york said they were reviewing their legal options. New york governor andrew cuomo, little blunter, responding to trumps move, said this last night. Forget bodyguards, he better have an army if he thinks hes going to walk down the street in new york. No, new yorkers dont want to have anything to do with him. It is look, its more of the same from him. Its cheap, its political, its gra tube us to and its illegal. But it is another attempt to kill new york city. And because we are now just two months away from the president ial election, were going to stop right here for a reality check. From a new quinnipiac poll, donald trump has made half of all likely voters in the United States of america feel less safe under his presidency. Only 35 of voters say they feel more safe because of him. Joe biden, who is not fear mongering, who is not treating Racial Injustice as a zero sum proposition, hes the one in the race with a tenpoint advantage on the question of who makes you feel less safe. More safe, 10 more think that biden will make the country safer. Trumps polling post his partys convention was summed up this way by the New York Times today. Quote, the new results suggest that the president s effort to reframe the race around law and order at the Republican Convention hasnt reshaped the race to his advantage. For now, athlete, mr. Trump finds himself in an unenviable position. He trails by a wide margin, even at a moment that usually represents the High Water Mark for the president s party in the polls. More often than not, a president goes on to fare worse in the election than in polls taken just after his convention. That is where we start today with some of favorite reporter and friends. Phil rucker is here. Also joining us, Senior Adviser to the lincoln project, my friend Michael Steele, and Donna Edwards. Phil, let me start with you. On sort of the poll results. They show that this zero sum proposition represents that the public has evolved. Ive been looking back at some of the efforts to use law and order, some of the better known and lesser known efforts, dan lundgren ran for governor in california on the three striks,s youre out, they usually fail at the ballot box, because voters can hold two thoughts in your head, that you can have law, you can have Justice Without sort of greenlighting or saying youre okay with unjustified shootings or Excessive Force against anybody. Is there any is there any pause or are they, you know, removed the brakes from the maserati, were going full steam ahead . You know, anicolle, there dos not seem to be any pause in the trump strategy. He seems determined to press this message in the remaining, what, nine, ten weeks of this campaign. And then theres no indication of a course correction there, but you raised such an important point about voters. Theyre not monolithic. Theyre also not stupid. Theyre quite intelligent and theyre able to see the nuance in some of whats playing out here. You know, a lot of people across this country have been watching the last few months at these police shootings, at the black lives matter movement, many millions of people participated in the black lives matter movement, and theyre able to distinguish some of the differences between what they see playing out on some of the, you know, the worst images of violence in the streets and what this Broader Movement stands for. And theyre able to sort of understand the different messages coming from the politicians. So, i wouldnt sell the electorate short. And we should keep in mind that theres a lot of time left here. Weve yet to see biden and trump sort of fully engage one another. The debates havent begun. Were going to hear a lot more from both of these candidates on this issue of Racial Justice and on the issue of policing and law and order, so, theres more data points that are going to come into the fore before voters really make decisions. Phil rucker, ive lost track of who the white House Counsel is is there anyone on the staff that repeated today what donald trump said yesterday, which was a call for i think the president s statements were felons, i think its a felony to call for illegal voting. And if any of his supporters who heard that or saw it on television, were to go out and vote twice, they would be committing felony voter fraud, the kind that bill barr said in an interview he hasnt seen any of. Tell me in that claim was repeated, if the campaign operationalized it, if donald trump said the quiet part out loud, as Ashley Parker says, or if that was how are they describing or explaining or in the case of this white house, its usually doubling down on what the president did yesterday, which is criminal. Well, nicolle, youre right that its criminal to vote twice and you are also right that Ashley Parker is correct in this space, as she always is, you know, this is donald trump saying the quiet part out loud. He made this comment publicly. You know, theres been no effort by the white house to apologize on his behalf or to say he was wrong, but ive also not seen the white house amplifying the president s call yesterday and jump in here if somehow they have and ive missed it today, but not in my reporting, at least. You know, i want to turn to what joe biden said on the tape we just played, Michael Steele, because it reminded me of a moment, i was standing about, i dont know, 20 feet away from john mccain when he jumped in when one of his supporters called then senator obama a muslim and john mccain jumped in and said, no, no, no, he loves america, we disagree on policy. I thought that what joe biden did today sort of cut right to the bone in the way that that moment did when he said, i was wrong. I thought hate was dead, i thought wed stamped it out, and that may have bin informed by eight years of president obama, im not sure what gave him that optimistic view, but he said, i was wrong. And what i see happening in this country is when you have one of the the most powerful politician in the land fanning the flames, it comes out from under the rocks. Hes making, this week, i think, has been a turning point in the biden candidacy. Hes on the offense on issues of justice and law and order, frankly, with that speech monday. Hes in kenosha today, he gave a speech yesterday about school reopenings, something on the mind of every american family, and then today, to sort of make that profound observation that hates always been there, but the reason it seems to be sort of coursing through the body politic is because of donald trump. Yeah, i think thats i think thats right, nicolle, he he started to frame this narrative that were in right now in a very personal way, in a very particular way, that weve not seen nor heard from donald trump nor should we ever expect to see orp heard from donald trump. Donald trump thinks the way he wins is through two things. Intimidatio intimidation fear and law and order. Well drum up the fear and then talk about law and order and well drum up the law and order to push more of the fear and intimidation. So, you have that going on. Meanwhile, people who are actually feeling stuff out here, right, i mean, this this stuff is not happening in a vacuum. People are not looking at this about accepticly. They are actually feeling the pain of watching mr. Blake get shot and to see the response by the countrys leader. So, what you have with joe biden is an acknowledgement that, yeah, you know, like a lot of us out here, i got this one wrong. I thought that we really were past hate. We watched the marches, we watched the water hosing of black men and women, we watched the dogs go after them, we saw the resegregation of their communities and the red lines of their communities and we know the systemic issues around race, we thought we had pretty much turned that corner, until charlottesville, until shithole countries, until the shooting of george floyd, Breonna Taylor and how this process is now unfolding for countless americans. And he he admitted that, and i think its refreshing to hear someone say yeah, you know what, were not there yet, and its going to take a great work to get us there. But what this guys doing, thats not how its going to happen. What hes selling, thats not america. Thats not the compassion that i know each one of us has. And so, when you layer on top of that the story of the private moment that he had with the family, with, you know, all of that pain and acknowledging that in a real sense, and ill say that, on behalf of the country, because it hasnt happened with the president , i think could be a very important turning point. How we absorb that remains to be seen, but for the Biden Campaign, i think they got him on a good footing to now go out and talk a little bit more in that space. I mean, and just to follow up with you, michael, i mean, everyone is feeling some degree of this pain, and im not saying everybody agrees on how we solve it, im sure there are some trump voters who just feel fear, but youre right, i mean, donald trump is so politically limited by his inability to not a cli clintonian ease of feeling pain, but joe bidens unfortunately, my life has had painful moments so, i know exactly how you feel right now, and that ability to hold the country seems to not have a partisan bend to it. Let me just show you how hes doing in these are not blue states, these are not, you know, elite states, this is wisconsin and arizona and on the fox news poll, no less, on the question of who voters in those two states prefer to handle policing and criminal justice, this is Donald Trumps, you know, secret weapon, this is how donald trump thinks hes going to get a second term and spear himself criminal prosecution where hes individual number one in sdny case. 47 prefer the joe biden. In arizona, you know, john mccain this is at republican as you get in this country. Donald trump trails joe biden on the narrow question of law and order, on policing and crime. I want to ask you if you think i guess some version of the same question i asked phil rucker, do they sort of throw in the towel and go back to fear mongering and Something Else or what do they do with that . No, theyre not going to throw in the towel. I mean, they havent thrown in the towel, nicolle, theyve ramped it up. Theyve actually kind of moistened the towel with more of this crap. And so youre right. Theyre not trying to wring it out, theyre trying, you know, mop up more of it, sop up more of it and fling it at the American People. Heres what i assess, after looking at this over the last week and thinking about it, what donald trump is doing, and this happened before. And the interesting thing is, its not like we havent been here before. Whenever the Africanamerican Community begins to talk about its pain and it begins to respond to that in a very vocal and outward way, protests, et cetera, what is the antiseptic to that . What is it that gets thrown out there . White fear, right . Now, all of a sudden, were moving off what happened to the blake family and what the pain theyre going through and the pain that briana taylors situation, where police still havent been held accountable and the narrative around george floyd and then on top of that, all the other stuff we got to deal with, right . So, that pain is now having to take a backseat because white folks are suddenly afraid. They look around and they see, you know, a trash can burning 1,000 miles from their home and theyre afraid. And thats the part thats the stuff that trump is trying to sop up and regurgitate and push back out there to say that you should be afraid of that trash can burning, you should be afraid of that looting. Theres black folks arent standing up, saying, thats what we want, that thats how were going to solve this problem. The blake familys made it very clear, thats not reflective of their son. As we heard from other africanamerican families who have been in this situation, that that is not the goto. But yet, thats the narrative they want to push out and so, im hoping, to phils point, that america looks at this and uses all of those faculties to understand exactly how theyre getting played, which is why i put out there, dont get punked, america, by what trump is doing, because at the end of the day, you know better and youre smarter than that, and you understand whats happening and you know youre not afraid. Youre concerned, yes, you dont want to see it happen, but youre not afraid in the sense that oh, my god, i dont want to address the problem. Because the problem is still going to be there when your fear, whenever its relieved, is relieved. Donna, you and i have been on the air together during some of these first public grieving moments of the family members and i remember watching George Floyds family come out in the earliest days after his killing and call for calm, as Michael Steeles saying, i i was on the air when jacob blakes mother pleaded and implored for calm, Rayshard Brooks family, sitting in all of their immeasurable grief, calling for calm in atlanta. It seems that that dynamic Michael Steele is talking about hasnt had the effect of getting the Biden Harris Campaign to shy away from talking about this issue and its paying off politically. Let me show you their latest ad. Why in this nation do black americans wake up knowing that they could lose their life in the course of just living their life . Part of the point of freedom is to be free from brutality, from injustice, from racism, in all of its manifestations. We have to let people know that we not only understand their struggle, but they understand the fact they deserve to be treated withing anity. Theyve got to know were listening. Reforming policing in this country means creating a National Standard on use of force and conditioning federal funds for Police Departments on adob sh adoption of that standard. We hold Police Officers accountable. Donna edwards, you know, i think that message paired with joe bidens speech on monday about prosecuting anyone that commits crimes on any side of the spectrum is likely to work. What do you think . Well, i mean, i do. I think one of the things that weve seen with the Biden Harris Campaign and keep in mind, this is one of about three different ads that have been put out by the Biden Campaign that really speak directly to black america and i cant even remember a time when weve had that on a national level. And when i look at joe biden today and over the course of this week, he is personal and president ial in those same moments. And i think that you add to that, you know, him being able to connect with the pain of these families and you know thats who joe biden is. And so its not a surprise to me that those poll numbers are what you say, because why would america trust a lawless president to invoke law and order. They wouldnt, they shouldnt and they dont. And i think that today, joe biden really spoke to that pain that all of america is feeling and keep in mind, when these incidents happen, its not like the old days when you just read about them in the paper, maybe. People can see for themselves. They dont need an interpreter to tell them whats wrong when someone holds a knee down for nearly nine minutes. They dont need an interpreter when seven bullet holes are in the back of a young man at the hands of Police Officers. And so, america is not waiting for somebody to interpret these things, but they are waiting for someone to speak to that pain and to offer leadership to guide us out of it and i think you heard that from joe biden today. Phil rucker, i want to just give you a quick last word on this question of incompetence. I mean, at the end of it, there is just this string