Thats when coronavirus was ravaging new york state and likely beginning its spread to other parts of the United States heres what he told the American People on that very same day america is continuing to make critical progress in our war against the virus. Over the weekend, the number of daily new infections remained flat nationwide flat. Hospitalizations are slowing in hot spots like new york, new jersey, michigan and louisiana this is clearly evidence that our aggressive strategy to combat the virus is working. And it wouldnt be long before donald trump would start tweeting against the stayathome orders his own government recommended and urging his supporters in states like michigan and virginia to liberate those states however, we now know that he was privately telling bob woodward, who was writing a book, that the coronavirus pandemic was a deadly plague that could rip you apart. The president s lie to the American People including his own supporters is ongoing. And with potentially deadly consequences for those supporters who attended his indoor rallies this week in nevada it comes as the World Health Organization reports a record increase in new coronavirus cases. The New York Times reports today, quote, President Trump and his campaign are defending his right to rally indoors, despite the private unease of aides who called it a game of political russian roulette and growing concern that such gatherings could prolong the coronavirus pandemic Washington Post adds this. Quote, many around the president are acutely aware that a potential surge in coronavirus cases and deaths close to the election could be disastrous thats according to campaign and white house aides. But they are mostly bowing to trumps desire to pack the house. Trump here at his own Campaign Event is the only person protected by social distancing as he gambles with the lives of his own supporters the president , the plague and the liar in chief who is, to this day, telling a different story to the public than the one he told bob woodward in private is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. Former democratic congresswoman Donna Edwards is here, plus New York Times white house correspondent, annie carney is back and dr. Kavita patel is here first, dr. Patel, on the Public Health violations at these two indoor rallies, it almost makes you cringe to see anybody standing that closely together neither the times nor anyone suggested anyone had been tested for coronavirus before admitted entry. So these were untested individuals packed like sardines not wearing masks. And the risk was not something the white house was unaware of they made sure that donald trump didnt get too close yeah, and that brings up two critical issues. We already know from the july 4th tulsa rally there are direct links, not to just a prominent figures like herman cain who died from being at that rally maskless inside, but we know that at least 500 cases of coronavirus in tulsa, oklahoma, were directly linked to attendance in that rally thats what we know of then you fast forward to what we just saw in nevada, and candidly, it brings up a second theme that the president has no regard for anyone else but himself. So as long as hes safe, the health of the public, despite numerous warnings from the state, local Health Officials and his own cdc who classifies that exact event as the highest of risks for coronavirus, and im not sure why any of us are surprised anymore because it shows the disregard for the over 1700 Health Workers who have died in the line of duty to take care of people with coronavirus. And that number is climbing and that parallels what weve seen about his regard for soldiers and families and service so i would say all in all, hes staying consistent, but its a pattern which is causing people to die you know, annie carney, i saw some parallel there. He thinks that soldiers who put themselves in harms way to serve the country are, quote, suckers and losers i wonder what he thinks of his own rally goers if he wont get close to them . He made it clear that the person he was asked in an interview in las vegas after that indoor rally that he hosted why is he doing this, and he said, i feel very safe im at a distance. Im on stage and he didnt even answer what about all the people attending that wasnt even part of his answer he answered from his own perspective, which is what these rallies are all about. You have to wonder, people around him, as the post also reported, are very concerned politically about what this gets him. Theyre worried another death like herman cain which appears to be tied to a rally or leaving a trail of superspreader events behind him as he travels the country, will add up to voters distrusting him. And you have to wonder and yesterday when i was reporting that piece if you look at the big picture, his campaign is trying to save money so theyve pulled down advertisements at different times in critical states hes trailing in battleground state polls to joe biden these rallies nor longer really carried in full on cable news but they are carried in full on local affiliates so what the president s focus is an hour and a half of earned media, and the health risks, while its not something he wants, the indoor wasnt his first choice, its secondary to the coverage annie carney, let me press you on that. Wasnt it the president standing at the podium getting covered that delivered those fatal blows to his poll numbers . His Approval Rating on coronavirus compared to joe biden, i mean, joe biden almost doubles him in terms of public trust oncoronavirus. So if it just always i always ask this question no one ever knows the answer but who thinks donald trump talking in a battleground state helps Donald TrumpsApproval Rating in said battleground state whose strategy is that well, the president thinks that and talking in front of a crowd ah its something that first of all, he didnt talk that much about the coronavirus at these rallies he talks about, we rounded the curve, which is an inaccurate statement but hes doing his riffs on hillary its not like the coronavirus briefings in march where he was allegedly supposed to be briefing the country about the virus. These are freeforalls. And second, its sort of, i heard it described as a candidate management this is oxygen for him it makes him feel like hes winning when he sees those crowds it makes him feel better about the race it gives him confidence that hes in control of a race that hes not really in control of right now. You know, Donna Edwards, annie uses this great line in here aides call it a game of political russian roulette it would seem to me that its also, you know, Public Health russian roulette anyone that walks in there without a mask and without being socially distanced in an indoor venue, ive not seen any reporting about ventilation requirements being demanded or adhered to it would seem like russian roulette would describe more than just the politics of these events well, im not even sure about that because its not a game of chance i mean, as dr. Patel will tell you, if you are standing next to somebody who is breathing on you and you are yelling and screaming and you dont have a mask on, they can transmit coronavirus. And i think the president i understand the president doesnt care about me. Im a blue state democrat who is never going to support him but what the American People and his supporters should know is, he doesnt care about you. He doesnt care that you get coronavirus. He doesnt care that you can transmit it to your families he doesnt care at all he cares about himself, but he doesnt care about you and when you look at these rallies. I actually cringe when i look at these rallies because i can almost see the particles, you know, spreading around in the air as people are gathered at these events and hes flouts the law. He doesnt care about his supporters and he is saying, you know, thumb your nose to the rule of law. Thumb your nose to anybody who is going to keep me from doing what i want, whether or not it hurts you. You know, dr. Patel, can you just give us the reality check i read this morning that israel is locking down for a second time in that country as they have one of the highest infection rates in the world World Health Organization reports the highest oneday increase in global cases the vast majority of students in this country are learning remote either all the time or some of the time and trump this morning said that were, quote, rounding the turn. I think he meant to say rounding the corner are we doing anything like that . No, i think that candidly, what were seeing in the United States is still parts of the country are yes, there are parts of the country stabilizing, but when donald trump says were rounding the turn or rounding the corner, hes giving people this false impression that, you know, a vaccine will be here soon, everything will be perfect our cases are down he uses false statistics by manipulating the case fatality rate which is inappropriate to even use to describe deaths from covid right now. So he manipulates the statistics and kind of bends it to its will but now were already seeing europe is seeing a rise in cases, and its also attributed in europe to a younger demographic who is going into bars and restaurants and what did they do they immediately went theyre now talking about drastic lockdown measures. We dont want to do that in the United States again. We know that this is potentially going to get worse so what can we do . We can do exactly what representative edwards was saying masks. Things we know that work protecting people who are vulnerable so just to level set, youre right. We have the path to recovery ahead of us. Its not going to come from listening to donald trump. It will come from listening to local county Health Officials working in concert with people who actually care about opening this economy and recovery again annie, i want to ask you about the tapes. There are 19 interviews with bob woodward weve heard maybe total six minutes of them. But what is abundantly clear is that privately, donald trump was well aware of just how lethal the virus was, just how widespread it was. He called it a plague. He understood april 13th that it was a plague, that it wasnt just going to hit new york and he knew and acknowledged to bob woodward that he was lying about it to the public what is is the white house recalibrating anything or going back and offering any revisionist history about what was going on not really. I think on the first day that the first excerpt came out, k Kayleigh Mcenany came out and tried to mount a defense it depends on what you mean by the word like like she was trying to say he was telling the American People that this was serious and he just didnt want to create panic, but he wasnt lying. But the more the tapes came out, more concerning to me than him going to the Briefing Room and citing statistics that they were taking care of it was the liberate tweets that came as he was saying, this is fatal. And then hes encouraging supporters to go out and expose themselves, potentially expose themselves to the virus. Thats different than trying to put the best spin on your administrations response. And that falls into the same bucket of what were talking about earlier which is that he saw the liberate tweets in democratic states as politically helpful to him and that trumped the safety of his own supporters by encouraging them to get out there. You know, donna, i want to underscore annie carneys point, and you made this a moment ago donald trump has been paying deposits into the dont believe your eyes, dont believe your ears bank for four years and hes pulling them out now. He has been telling everyone that what annie writes and her colleagues is fake hes been telling hes been attacking it all makes sense now why he has been on this maniacal, obsessive Media Campaign for four years because now he needs his supporters to be willing to die for him. I mean, this is all sort of adding up. He need them not to believe the cdc, not to believe the New York Times, not to believe dr. Patel, not to believe statistics from his own executive branch of the government he needs them to not wear a mask because he wants them all to be actors in his charade that he hasnt botched the greatest threat to this country in his history. Well, and thats why he needs to have these outdoor rallies, as though somehow he can conduct himself as though nothing is happening. This is just like the 2016 campaign you hold a rally get people excited theyre not wearing masks. They defy state law. And he feeds on that and so hes actually, you know, gotten to the point now where when, you know, these interviews where his supporters are asked about even the existence of a the coronavirus. I mean, i heard a little 6yearold or 7yearold boy say, oh, its no worse than the flu. He just got that from donald trump and his parents. And so i think that this sort of creating a different kind of reality is the only thing that he has now that can get his people to the polls, and hes hoping that that can carry him through election day i just dont think its going to work for the American People by friday, we probably are going to reach the horrible, horrible marker of 200,000 americans who are dead i dont know what other symbol there is that quantifies how just dangerous and disastrous and deadly this president has been and dr. Patel, it brings us to a conversation about the vaccine. I think theres universal hope and optimism that science is able to deliver a vaccine. I think there is equally universal hope and optimism that it will be transparent, that it will be vetted and that it will be on a schedule determined by science and Public Health, not politics donald trump has made that impossible his comments about the vaccine, his comments about hydroxychloroquine, his refusal to wear a mask, his refusal to social distance, his refusal to ban indoor events. If he were to be on the up and up about the vaccine it would be the first and only thing that hes done thats tied to the science. Yeah, and thats the concern. Youve already seen the interference with the regulatory nature of the government with convalescent plasma, hydroxychloroquine, and probably other examples we are not aware of i think the critical issue with the vaccine is, you know, youve got Donald Trumps own political kind of appointees, you know, michael caputo, who say roger stone ally and a conspiracy theorist from the beginning. Youve got someone who is already setting the stage to undermine scientists, first within the cdc but next it will be the fda the one thing i would say to viewers thats giving me confidence that the fda is doing its job is not just the dedicated staff that are there who are hanging on, im sure, kind of by their fingernails but the fact that in the United States, the astrazeneca trial, one of the leading vaccine manufacturers, is still currently on pause likely related to this severe adverse reaction in the uk the uk resumed trials, but the United States is still reviewing and has not resumed that vaccine trial which offers some hope that the scientists will prevail. But youre absolutely right, nicolle. We should not let our metal off the gas in terms of keeping up the transparent from the scientists and the vaccine manufacturers themselves annie carney, dr. Patel mentioned the roger stone protege who is the most Senior Communications official at the health and Human Services department we started the 5 00 hour yesterday with your papers extraordinary reporting on his accusation that there were members of the cdc who were committing sedition. His claims that the shooting will begin, all sorts of incredibly disturbing things that your paper reported is there any update on his status is he still employed by hhs and donald trump i think thats fast moving and will be settled by the end of the day i saw a politico report just before i came on the program that he was had apologized to staff and was take something sort of Mental Health break. So it sounds like all sides are working out a what could be a graceful exit under these circumstances. I dont know if thats temporary or but it sounds like its clear that him remaining in his position is not feasible for anyone all right well keep an eye on that. 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