The proceedings could be in their court by thanksgiving. Good morning, everyone. It is thursday, october 17. Im Ayman Mohyeldin alongside Yasmin Vossoughian. Another wild day in washington, d. C. That culminating with this instant iconic photo of House Speaker nancy pelosi standing around a roomful of men with her finger pointed directly at the president , tweeted by the president believe it or not after a contentious meeting discussing the meeting in syria. Were told that talks broke down and ended with Democratic Leaders walking out of the meter. Nancy pelosi needs help fast. There is either something wrong with her upstairs or she just plain doesnt like our great country. She a total meltdown in the white house today. It was very sad to watch. Pray for her. She is a very sick person. Things went south when pelosi explained to the president that russia has always wanted a foothold in the middle east and now has one with trump withdrawal. All roads lead to putin. And i hate isis more than you do. And she said you dont know that. And is your plan to rely on the syrians and the turks, and the plan is to keep the American People safe. And she said thats not a plan, thats a goal. A third grade politician, and third rate, that they got up and left with the president telling them goodbye, well see you at the polls. Heres what democrats and republicans had to say after the meeting. Go ahead. What happened on the part of the president is a meltdown. Sad to say. It was insulting, particularly to the speaker. She kept her cool completely but he called her a third rate politician. This was not a dialogue. It was a diatribe. A nasty diatribe. What did the president say that got this meeting on the wrong foot. You said it was a third rate politician. A third grade. The pattern of behavior with speaker pelosi, she storms out of another meeting, trying to make it unproductive it. The other democrats stayed and had a productive meeting. The only thing that happened, was the Democratic Leadership got up and walked away. When is there is a time of crisis, leaders should stay, whether they like what is said or not and actually work to solve a problem. To me, thats a definition of leadership. Not to run. Multiple aides say at one point during the meeting trump called his former defense secretary james mattis the worlds most overrated general saying according to one aide he wasnt tough enough. I captured isis. Mattis said it would take two years. I captured them in one month. The contentious meeting was the first time trump and pelosi had been in the same room since declaring a launch of the impeachment inquiry. That issue did not come up. An overwhelmingly bipartisan vote of 35460, the house had a nonbinding resolution condemning President Trumps with drawing from northern syria. Some of the strongest voices speaking out of the president s actions actually came from within his own party. I want to express my gratitude to the kurds, they were growth fighters, and we had a terrific alliance, with them. Im sorry that were where we are. This is an extremely valuable alliance. I have concerns about this particular decision. I think it was a mistake. I hope it can be repaired. I think its very hard to understand why it is the Vice President and secretary of state and others are going to talk with erdogan in turkey. Look, the troops have already been pulled out. If you will, its like the farmer who lost all his horses and goes now to shut the barn door. The troops have been pulled out. Turkey is devastating our allies. The kurds. Its too late for this kind of conversation. Listening to me is not listening to his commander, hes not listening to his advisers, hes not, hes making the biggest mistake of his presidency. By assuming the kurds are better off today than they were yesterday. That is just unbelievable. I can imagine if obama said that what republicans would be saying now. So im going to say it with trump. That is just unfair, dangerous, and quite frankly its dishonorable for us to abandon the kurds. I would say that if obama did it. This is the most screwed up decision ive seen since ive been in congress. When the president said today, syria, the invasion of turkey, turkeys invasion of syria is really of no consequence us to, do you know why we sanctioned turkey, if thats true . A new gallup poll shows over half of americans support President Trumps impeachment and removal from office. 52 say they now back impeachment and removal. And up seven points since june. And 46 say they do not. Down seven. Support for trumps impeachment includes 6 of republicans, 55 of independents and 89 of democrats. The level of support for trump being impeached and removed is well above where it was for bill clinton during his presidency and also higher than all but the final poll for Richard Nixon before he resigned. Support for clintons impeachment and removal never got higher than 35 . Richard nixon hit 58 in august of 1974. Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell has advised republicans to prepare for an impeachment trial of President Trump as soon as thanksgiving. During a closed door meeting, mcconnell gave a power point presentation to explain the impeachment process. The senate would likely meet six days a week during the trial. The post reports that the Judiciary Committee chairman Lindsey Graham fielded questions throughout the entire meeting and lobbied colleagues to consider a public declaration in a letter to House Speaker nancy pelosi which would argue that trumps july 25th phone call with ukraines president is quote unimpeachable. That idea was met by pushback by some republicans that said that trump would assume that those who did not sign the document would be persuadable on a vote to oust him. An exclusive the wall street journal interview with Energy Secretary rick perry reveals how intimately President Trumps personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani worked with the administration on ukraine policy. Perry tells the journal that he called giuliani at trumps direction last spring, in an effort to ease a path to a meeting between trump and the president of ukraine. Perry said giuliani described to him during their phone call several concerns about ukraines alleged interference in the 2016 u. S. Election. Sources telling the journal that perrys call came after a may meeting at the white house following the inauguration of ukrainian president vladimir zelensky. During his trump told officials there they need to work with giuliani to resolve his concerns before he would agree to meet zelensky. Giuliani confirmed yesterday to nbc news his spring phone call with perry saying quote everything i said there i probably said on television 50 times. Joining us now from walk, senior staff writer from the hill, scott wong is with us. Go. Good morning. Lets circle back to the white house contentious meeting, with the aftermath unfolding yesterday. All hopes of bipartisan even on an issue that Many Democrats and republicans saw eye to eye, particularly lost amid the impeachment inquiry. Is this kind of a foreseeing of what we are about to see what is happening in washington, any time that we try to get something done, impeachment will try to suck the energy out of the room i watched these events unfold yesterday just like you guys did and had a chance to catch up with the speaker later after her meeting. And what was clear to me is these two individuals, nancy pelosi, and donald trump, cant each sit in a room together, they cant agree to what insults were leveled at each other, donald trump and the white house saying he was a third grade speaker, or politician, and you know, she says something else. And so, you know, what, it seems to me like even though there are these other legislative items moving, like lowering prescription drugs, and, you know, trade deals, usmca, these are two politicians that dislike each other very much, and impeachment has really put a damper on this relationship. Lets talk about Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell, for republicans, for a potential impeachment trial in the next few months. What do you make of it . Well, mcconnell is a very shrewd calculated politician, and of course, he is going to be prepared to, for whatever comes over from the house of representatives. And so hes essentially laying out his time line to his republican membership. Saying he anticipates that the house will pass articles of impeachment and send them to the senate for consideration by thanksgiving. That will give his body, the upper chamber, a chance to vote and dispense with those articles before the end of the year. Before we get fully into election season. Before the Iowa Caucuses start. And so i think there is also coordination happening between house and senate republicans, you saw Lindsey Graham yesterday, the judiciary chairman, huddling in the basement of the capitol, with house republicans, sort of plotting out strategy on how they will deal with impeachment in the senate, how he as judiciary chairman, perhaps, could hold public hearings, in his committee, much different than what were seeing on the house side, which so far has been all happening behind closed doors. Adam schiff, the intelligence chairman, in the house, a democrat from california, has said that this is the first stage of this investigation. Next month will probably move to more public hearings, and he has confirmed that we will in fact have some public hearings next, before we move to the final stage, which would be a vet on these articles of impeachment. Scott wong, thank you. We should mention that Senate Minority leader Chuck Schumer will be a guest on morning joe after the contentious meeting at the white house yesterday. Still ahead, the president is accused of trying to pull the stunt of a family of a man killed by the wife of an american diplomat. That story straight ahead. Ameri. That story straight ahead. Do your asthma symptoms ever hold you back . About 50 of people with severe asthma have too many cells called eosinophils in their lungs. Eosinophils are a key cause of severe asthma. Fasenra is designed to target and remove these cells. Fasenra is an addon injection for people 12 and up with asthma driven by eosinophils. Fasenra is not a rescue medicine or for other eosinophilic conditions. 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Trump told them she was in the same building but the family found the offer shocking and inappropriate. Dunns mother Charlotte Charles told reporters following the meeting, quote, the bombshell was dropped not soon after we walked in the room and sacoolas was in the building, and was willing to meet with us. We made it very clear as we said all along, would we still love to meet with her but it was to be on our terms and u. K. Soil. Dunns parents say they had come to the white house searching for answers and want sacoolas to return to the United Kingdom to face trial. A lawyer for the dunn family told sky news that the Trump Administration had set up the meeting to quote bring in the press corps to show it was all happy families yesterday. Trump commented on the meeting with the families saying he thought they had wanted to meet her. It was very sad to be honest. He lost, they lost, their son, i believe it was going down the wrong way, because that happens in europe, you go to europe and the roads are opposite. And its very tough. If youre from the United States, you do make that decision to make a right turn, where youre supposed to make a left turn, the roads are opposite and she said thats what happened. That happens to a lot of people by the way but she said thats what happened. I offered to bring the person in question in, and they werent ready for it. But i did offer. I spoke with boris, he asked me if i would do it, and i did, it unfortunately, they wanted to meet with her, and unfortunately when we had everybody together, they decided not to meet, perhaps they had lawyers involved by that time, i dont know exactly. I know that the people were lovely, they were very nice, and they were, you know, desperately sad. Did you suggest that the family had indicated at one point that they were interested in meeting . I thought they were, based on what i saw they wanted to meet but they only want to meet if theyre in the u. K. Is what they say and that will be up to them. Joining us on the set, msnbc legal analyst danny sev. I think this was shocking across the board for many when they read what took place at the white house. And watching that and hearing the president trying to explain or justify what happened. And this family was caught offguard and missions on behalf of the wife sacoolas, essentially telling everyone what she told him, but it is interesting from a lowell point, that could certainly come fact to haunt you, it seems she drove down the wrong way, it happen, people do it. Exactly. Personally how this family lost their child and caught offguard seeking answers at the white house and how about you meet with the very person who ran your child down. What is the significance of the dunn family wanting to meet with sacoolas on u. K. Soil . As they said, on their terms. It is going to be legally significant. Because, as a former diplomat, and the Vienna Convention on diplomatic relations extends to diplomats and their spouses, she is, while she is part of the Diplomatic Mission, entitled to complete immunity from criminal prosecution, and near complete civil immunity from being sued in court. However, that immunity ends when she leaves the Diplomatic Mission and she gets something lesser called residual immunity, which only applies if it applies at all to acts that were committed in furtherance of the Diplomatic Mission. That of course is key. So if she was driving a car and it was unrelated to being a diplomat, or if she was there, conducting zero diplomatic activities at all, then she may have no immunity at all from suits. So that is probably why, from a legal perspective, the family, or their lawyers, would want her to be on u. K. Soil, so that she could be sued in a u. K. Court. What if any legal implication here in the u. S. Could she possibly find herself under . The family obviously has come here to the u. S. , they met with the president , they want her to come back, but is there any risk that if she does not return, that the u. S. Could possibly extradite her and send her back . Criminally, it is theoretically possible, she could be extradited. The United States and the u. K. Have an extradition treaty. Its interesting, it is much more favorable to the u. S. Than it is to the u. K. The u. K. Has to show something akin to probable cause to get the u. S. To return this former diplomats wife. But again, extradition always comes down to more of a political determination based on the current relationship of the countries than it really is about the actual terms and language of the treaty itself. Danny cevallos, thank you, always appreciate it. Still ahead the race in the democratic nomination as joe biden goes on the offensive against elizabeth warren. The only fdaapproved 3in1 copd treatment. Trelegy. 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