Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20160505

MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews May 5, 2016 23:00:00

Politicians to put them first. I dont think love is in the air. Well have more on ryantrump all night on bloombe bloombergpolitics. Com. Until tomorrow, thanks for watching. Coming up, hardball with Chris Matthews. Are you with him or against him . Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews up in new york. Not ready for trump. Thats the word from paul ryan said this afternoon donald trump needs to change his cadence. Thats his word. Cut out the bullying and reassure conservatives he shares their principles. To be perfectly candid with you, im not ready to do that at this point. Im not there right now. I hope too. I want to. I think what is required is that we unify this party. I think the bulk of the burden on unifying the party will have to come from our presumptive nominee. What a lot of republicans want to see is we have a standard bearer that bears our standards and unifies all the wings of the Republican Party. Its time to go from tapping into anger to channelling that anger into solutions. This evening donald trump responded to that. He said im not ready o support speaker ryans agenda. Perhaps in the future we can Work Together and come to an grem about what is best for the american people. Also michael steele, the former chair who is an msnbc political analyst. What is happening tonight . Do we have a sense of news tonight . Absolutely. The crowd is fired up. They are ready to hear donald trump. Remember, this is his first rally since becoming the presumptive nominee. Its interesting because the gop leadership is backing away from him. Theyre not ready to embrace him. Donald trump, expect him to come out and talk about that. The speakers that are out here before him have already mentioned it to resounding boos from this crowd. I expect well hear more about it. Certainly going to hear a lot of attacks on Hillary Clinton. Seems not like only will west virginia vote next week, that makes sense to be there, but i sense this is the beginning of his appalachian campaign. Western pennsylvania, ohio, kentucky. He knows that where his strength might be beyond the usual republican vote. Absolutely. If you look at the electoral vote, hes got to convert rust belt states that have been blue. Places like ohio, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania and turn them into red states. Hes got to do well in that white, working class demographic that so far hes run away with in the primary pps places like arizona with a high number of latino voters, those could turn red to blue. Donald trump has his work cut out for him trying to find way to appeal to a general electorate audience. So far its been focused on are enbas republican base. Ryan said get rid of your bullying, and trump said stop telling me what to do. They keep saying hes a counter puncher. You saw paul ryan throw the first punch in this argument between whether hes going to endorse him or not. Trying to convince donald trump to tone down his rhetoric and unify the party and make amends and move a bit away from those extreme positions. Donald trump refusing that and says he doesnt endorse speaker ryans agenda which is basically the republican agenda. Its a remarkable thing to have happen just hours after donald trump becomes the resumptive nominee. The past two republican president s, both president s bush, are not going to be endorsing him and mitt romney, the past Party Nominee isnt going to the convention. Thats great. Hang in there. Well be back to you. He said im not begging for republicans to join me. Ill decide who i want to go with me. Hes saying well see but right now were on separate courses. Explain what hes up to. What a moment. A stunning rebuke from the house speaker. A temper divide. Its underscores whats happening in this Republican Party. Trump is a populist on trade. The other head of the party who counters him right now in stature wants to cut Social Security and medicare. Its a total polar opposite of trump in style and substance. Let me bring in michael steele. It seems to me in terms of party, trump is saying im the party now. Join me. Youre the problem. Not the solution. Theres a bit of truth in that. In fact, from the Trump Supporters point of view, if the ryan agenda, such as it is, the boehner agenda, such as it was, was the agenda for the party, how come you couldnt get it done. How come you couldnt get it passed. You couldnt even stop health care. You couldnt give us a Supreme Court that could stop health care. Thats the crux of the argument. All those people sitting behind katie, thats the new reality of the gop. What youre seeing is an ideological as well as a personal divide about who this party is and what it is. Donald trump is saying its mine now. The past 24 hours, many republicans have agreed to back trump. Mitch mcconnell said ive committed to supporting the nominee chosen by Republican Voters and donald trump, the presumptive nominee is on the verge of clenching that. Paul labrador said he would support trump but also criticized him for not knowing much about the constitution or politics. Haley barbour said life is a series of choices when the choice is between Hillary Clinton and donald trump, im going with donald trump. A spokeswoman for senator kelly ayotte says she plans to support the nominee, but she isnt planning to endorse him. Senator john mccain explained why he is Backing Trump. I support the nominee of the party. Ive repeatedly said the things i dont agree with him on. I love campaigning. I love being here. Im a proud republican. Im a ronald reagan, Teddy Roosevelt republican. I support the Republican Party and the people the republicans have chosen the nominee for the party. I think that makes sense. I have significant differences with donald trump on a lot of National Security issues. My job is to steer our party and the nations policies in the direction to make america safe. Thats my obligation. Whats the pattern now . Whos in and whos out . Looks like mccain being a regular republican being in, i wonder whether its the red hot conservatives who are still holding out led by cruz. Its the movement type. Its not the business republicans. Theyre getting in line. They think Hillary Clinton is the target. They think she can be beaten if theres a shift in the electorate. Its the movement guys and the people who come out of Jack Kemp School like paul ryan who are supply cidesideers. They dont see conservative principles coming out of his campaign. That makes them anxious. What do you think about trump becoming trumpist . I think its nervous anticipation. They will be pulled in the direction of their base. Theyre going to be pulled in the direction, as you just noted, this rust belt region where we could have an opportunity to win. Grass roots know that. They like the message. It resonates across the aisle. You have to keep in mind these republicans on the ground are also talking to Bernie Sanders supporters who are trying to decide to vote for bernie or trump. They know where the potential opportunity lies and what theyre looking for for the first time for the Party Leadership to get behind them instead of them having to get behind the Party Leadership. Senator mccain is Backing Trump but privately he said it makes his own reelection as a senator more of a challenge. Politico obtained audio where mccain speaks honestly about what it means to have trump leading the party. This is great to hear. Its inside stuff. Mccain not knowing hes being taped. Here he is. If it is donald trump in the top of the ticket, here in arizona, with over 30 of the vote being the hispanic vote, i have no doubt this may be the race of my life. People are angry. Theyre upset. They feel theres disconnect and all of that, and frankly, theres an element of nativism in it add well, as you know. The first wedge this donald trump had that gave him no notoriety was build a wall, rapist, murder. The Hispanic Community is aroused and angry in way i havent seen in 30 years. This will be a tough campaign for me. Theres an honest assessment. They say, all were trying to do at this moment is navigate. Its not about really for trump or against it. Its can you survive a year of up previously. Can you have an isolated race where ever youre running and really define the race on your terms and not get it get nationalized. How do you offer on the menu, how do you say im a republican but i want to take a substitute. Instead of mashed powe tatoes bi want french fries. Im all with this guy trump. Hes got a good spark. I like the enthusiasm, the nationalism but we cant be deciding what your religion is when you get to the airport and arrive in new york. We cant do that as americans. I think theres two things to that. One is if everything remains static as it is, thats a tough argument to make. You would see a lot of incumbent candidates, house and senate going out and saying exactly what you said. I understand what trump is saying but for the people in my district and state, this is where i am and how i would fight that. The other thing we need to keep in mind, were looking at this rather statically. We need to look at how trump begins to develop as he gets closer to the convention and coming out of convention how he addresses those particular narratives with respect to what he said about hispanics and women and whether or not he does make some type of smooth edged pivot that allows candidates to come in a bit closer because the reality of it is, chris, they need each other. They need trump. They said unless you have a mind that you want to take the party out, you want Hillary Clinton to be the next president of the United States. Here we are on a great day for mexicans and those who come from mexico, the fifth of may, the great day of celebration, our fourth of july in mexico and the mexican people. Here hes not changed a bit. Hes still talking wall. Hes still talking the Mexican Government pay for it. Ive said no Mexican Government can last ten seconds to put up a wall to keep its people in. Were waiting to hear from donald trump. It will be great to see if hes any different. I dont think he will be. Everybody is laughing. Trump is trump. Coming up, some big names in republican parties say no way, no how. Theyre just not supporting donald trump. Chief among them, both former president s bush and now mitt romney says hes skipping Trumps Convention in cleveland. Some are really skipping out. Should Hillary Clinton punch back against Donald Trumps attacks or will she hurt herself by responding to each of his jabs. The hardball will tell me three things about the general Election Campaign i dont know. Let me finish with can choice facing republicans this year. To be or not to be, a republican, that is. This is hardball, the place for politics. Every insurance policy has a number. But not every Insurance Company understands the life behind it. For those whove served and the families that have supported them, we offer our best service in return. Usaa. We kw what it means to serve. Get an insurance quote and see why 92 of our members plan to stay for life. 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I was very harsh on some people like jeb bush and you wonder why the bush family wants to sit it out. I was harsh on his brother. His brother got us into the war in iraq which is one of the worst decisions in the history of our country. I said it loud and clear. When i hear they will sit it out, thats fine. I dont care if they sit it out. So interesting. This comes as mitt romney who has been an out spoken critic confirmed he will not attend the convention in cleveland. Bob doyle tells nbc news that doyle will attend the convention but doesnt plan to make a formal endorsement at the moment. The only former republican nominee, nationally that say he will support trump in november is john mccain. She said shes open to voting for clinton over trump. Governor whitman ive been a fan of your very independent, moderate politics, whats the chances you will change your find and vote for donald trump . Is there any chance . Nope. I wont vote for him. I will probably write in. What is it about trump that makes you say i cant do it . Its a host of thing. When you pull the curtain back, theres really no there there. Hes taken four businesses through bankruptcy and left a lot of people, the Little People hanging. Hes going to bring jobs in from overseas yet hes been fine. Its unacceptable. Youre finished with that no labels thing. Youre back as a republican but not a republican. How would you define yourself politically in. Im an eisenhower republican. You have to go back that far. What phone book do you meet in now . You know, youd be amazed at how many people have been calling me. People that have been good republicans for a long time saying what are we going to do. A lot of people thought bill clintons presidency was closer to ieisenhowers presidency eve though he was a democrat. Are you a hold out . I will not vote for donald trump under any circumstances. Your reasons . Temperament and record. When you look at what hes going out and saying and doing and insulting his way to the presidency as the governor just mentioned, thats not what we want. Why did it work . Because theres a segment of the population that feels very neglected by washington. Its on the left with sanders supporters and on the right with Trump Supporters. I believe marco rubio would have done that if he had been more time to not respond to little marco insults and shared his economic agenda. He laid out the best answer any modern day president has laid out on race and how to improve race relations. I thought he was very good on immigration too. Let me go to tom davis. Tom, are you with these two guys . Youre not going with trump and its as simple as that . Im not going to the convention. Ive been a delegate at the last six. The dodgers are in town for a threegame series with the nets. Thats where im putting my attention this summer. Youre choosing baseball and the home team over your im being serious though. You were a member of congress all those years. I think of you as an unhi unhyphenated republican. Whats your reasons for not Backing Trump . I guess ill confront this down the road in terms of what do we do with this. On trade and on some of these Economic Issues which i define myself as an economic conservative. Hes not there. I put myself in the gettable category. Hes not shown me the qualities you want to see in a president. Its fairly obvious hes not giving anything now. This is the way i dealt with him before as governor of new jersey. This is consistent. This is who he is. I understand the appeal to people who are so frustrated with a dysfunctional congress, what they see as a congress they believe has done nothing for them. Its not coming back in the way they hoped. They are still having to work two jobs. Thats what appeals. Thats where the trump and sanders appear comes from as the people who feel neglected. I worry about donald trump on international policy. He wants to have everybody guess. Thats not how you deal with a world as ten you us as this one. Hes not the person. He hasnt shown that ability. Republican senator ben sass of nebraska called again for a Third Party Candidate to oppose trump and clinton in november. Quote, this letter is for the majority of americans who wonder why the nation that put man on the moon cant find a ledder that can take us forward together. This is america. If both choices stink, we reject them and go forward together. Thats what we do. One of the options is Hillary Clinton. Weve a

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