Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20160520

MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews May 20, 2016

Crooked Hillary Clinton is the most antigun, antiSecond Amendment candidate ever to run for office and as i said before, she wants to abolish the Second Amendment. She wants to take your guns away. Hillary wants to disarm vulnerable americans in high crime neighborhoods. Whether its a young single mom in florida or a grandmother in ohio, hillary wants them to be defenseless. Wants to take away any chance they have of survival. Hilla hillarys pledge to give antigun orders. This is the behavior of a dictator of someone frankly i think that doesnt know what shes doing. Shes not equipped to be president in so many different ways. Well, mr. Trump spent the morning knocking Hillary Clinton and sounding tough on isis. He tweeted, quote, crooked Hillary Clinton looks president ial . I dont think so. Four more years of obama and our country will never come back. Isis laughs. And more crooked hillary has zero imagination, less stamina. Isis china, russia would love for her to be president. Trump said president obama and Hillary Clintons response to terrorism has been too politically correct. Here he is. We can be politically correct, we can be nice. We cant afford to be nice and foolish anymore. Isis is laughing at us. We cant continue to let things like this happen. We are being taken advantage of by radical islamic terrorists. And we are this world is changing. Another couple of planes go down, and youre going to have a depression worldwide the likes of which youve never seen. Because nobodys going to travel. I will tell you four more years of a weak Hillary Clinton and thats what she is, four more years of that, it will not work. It will not work. Robert costas National Political reporter for the Washington Post and msnbc political analyst. And my colleague is an msnbc anchor. That trumps it. Ill start with howard. It seems to me hes fought with the neo cons and establishment beat them all. Theres a soul of the Republican Party. Hes going for the guy, probably a male, probably a white male who lives somewhere in michigan, pennsylvania in addition to the appalachian area, guns. If youre for guns, you start at the Mississippi River and go up to the edge of california you have gun people. Hes picking up the east coast part of that. Michigan, pennsylvania, kentucky, wisconsin. He looks like strategy to me. He got their endorsement today. Thats right. You and i are both from pennsylvania. Guns are big in pennsylvania not because of people hunt deer, but because its symbolic. Who was the last all out liberal senator from pennsylvania . Joe clark beaten in 68 on the gun issue. The point is its not the gun themselves its what the guns symbolize to people hes appealing to. The idea of were not relying on the government for protection. Its a symbolic thing. Its men and white mostly. If trump is going to have a chance in the states youre mentioning hes going to have to draw hugely from those voters. Theyre frankly going after them and thats what this is about. Its not so much an argument. Hillary clinton has been clear. Shes been pushing gun safety. I was watching her a month or so ago youre taking a chance being so strong on gun safety. I know its the loop holes, but to the people who are Second Amendment people its a threat to them. Anyway, i think shes staked out a strong position on gun safety and shes got to deal with the results. You know, i mean, running against Bernie Sanders, of course, Bernie Sanders has a position on guns that is closer to the nra, and Hillary Clinton has been using that to get to his left on an issue. You have to remember theyre speaking to two different audiences. Trump is getting to zero. Hes doubling down on the kinds of voters who are already republicans, consolidating all of the different boxes he needs to tick under the Republican Party base. Under himself providing no alternatives. Hes with everybody, the gun folks, for Hillary Clinton its different. Shell be tomorrow with the mother of Trayvon Martin in florida. She is going after a different kind of voter, the suburban woman who is concerned about gun safety. Who is looking at Something Like sandy hook and saying thats a horror we need to do something about. The more than 70 of americans, especially in the suburbs and people of color who are very concerned about these laws, shes bringing out her base. Theyre both basically getting to zero and trying to bring out their base. Im so with you. Let me get back to you robert costa. In terms of the decision was this a decision at all on his part . Was trump going to do this . He got the National Endorsement of the nra. He got paid value to go give the speech. Its a political move. Its a chess move. Look at pennsylvania, were talking about pat toomy up for senate reelection. Hes a big republican on background checks. But trump by cozying up to the nra hes looking for the center of pennsylvania, the more rural part of the state trying to get working class independents and conservatives to come after him in major numbers. My brother you live to the west of allen town. Hes with those guys all the way. Hillary clinton pushed back hard against trump yesterday calming his positions heres her reaction. In addition to what you said, here is the tough language, shes potentially dangerous. Lets watch. The kinds of positions he is stating and the consequences of those positions, and even the consequences of his statements are not just offensive to people, they are potentially dangerous. She wants to make him to Barry Goldwater a guy who an itchy finger on nuclear weapons, its dangerous. Its interesting donald trump has said as recently this morning on morning joe. He repeat. Iraq was a mistake. Libya was a mistake. I would not go to syria. So on the one hand, hes playing the isolation guy in terms of the middle east. On the other hand hes talking big and talking loud about arming other nations with nuclear weapons. And the rhetoric that hes taking explain that. Whats the logic . Theres a logic to what hes doing. Theres inconsistencies. Hes saying were selfreliant americans screw everybody else were looking out for us. Number one. Right. Al theyre going to try to claim the mantle of Ronald Reagan on this, believe it or not. Because Ronald Reagan was not a guy who sent troops to a lot of places. He was a guy who flexed american muscle by building up the pentagon and then cutting a deal with the soviets. Thats who theyre going to claim. Whether they can realistically make that claim i dont know. Thats the claim theyll make. So true about reagan. Even when there was the plane went down over south korean, the american soldier was killed along the dmz in east berlin. Rather reagan did not go to war. Your thoughts, robert . I think reagan its old school. The Gold Standard for the conservatives. You call him an urban cowboy, hes a certain kind of urban cowboy. Howard is spot on. Were looking at trump going to old school repiublicanism. Hes been talking to jim baker, hell meet with bob corker. Hes not meeting with the george w. Bush people. Robert kagan in a reasonable neocon sticking it to him. By the way a lot of the other neocon types they dont want to have anything to do with him. At some point the big story will be when hillary grabs some of them. New National Pole for the New York Times shows clinton with a six point lead over trump. 47 , 41 . That is down from a 10 point lead. In this poll trump is closing. Theres evidence the Republican Partys falling in line behind trump. 80 of republicans, four out of five say their Party Leaders should support trump. Joy, this is a coming home faster than i expected to the party. There are people historically more obedient than democrats. Its like Catholic School to public school. They dont talk unless spoken to. They do fall in line, they dont fall in love. This is quick to fall in line though. 80 say do what he wants. I think its one other example of the fact that you know, there are certain number of elites in the Republican Party, really more in the conservative movement. The neo cons, the ericksons of the world who detest donald trump because he refutes the idea that their version of conservatism has a broad base. Quite frankly what donald trump has disproved is the base is as big as they thought it was. Look at the end of the day, republicans come home to the republican and democrats do the same. Any republican would be at around 40 44 . Thats the way it is. The best question for you. Okay ready . 88 is accounted for. 47 , 41 . Who is the other 12 that cant decide between Hillary Clinton and donald trump . Who is it . Lets guess about that. You start. Who is in that 12 . Were talking about what you call the suburbs and exurban voter. Thats all you have left. Who trump is talking to at the nra and doing the spaghetti western version of Ronald Reagan. Did you just think of that . Have you been saving that baby . Hes doing that, right . Trying to be a reagan kind of guy. Those people are already republicans. Theres nobody new there. What these guys are voting for are suburban women. I think thats what it is. The suburbs. I would add ill let van cleef. Hispanics in certain states. Cuban americans . Leave them out of the equation. But talking to the trump people, they know theyre not going to get 40 of the hispanic vote nationwide. Theyre looking at states in the middle, pennsylvania, ohio to take two where there is some hispanics that they think they can get as part of the macho to use the spanish. I get it i get it. Part of the macho culture. Men or woman but hispanics. He has to get his numbers up with those people. That kind of appeal today, they think is one of the routes to those people. Lets get the final point here, donald trump last week told George Stephanopoulos his tax returns were none of your business, none of georges business. He could be the First Major Party candidate in 40 years to refuse to release his taxpayers. There was a time when trumps tax returns were made public. The disclosure in a 1981 report by new jersey gambling regulators reveal the investor had for two years taken advantage of a tax code provision popular with developers that allowed him to report negative income. Robert costa does that many anything to anybody today back in the late 70s he found a tax break he exploited . Bas you got a sense that many people in the Real Estate Industry they often pay no income tax at all because of the way its set up. Its not so much about revealing his fortune, about revealing his lack of a ret. I think thats a problem. Then you all sort of smell this out . Real estate allows you deappreciation on property . Yes, heres the amazing thing. Its become a standard procedures to release the returns, even Mitch Mcconnell said people usually do that. He said that just the other day. My sense and robert may know differently. From my reporting tells me they think they can tough this out. I know. Somehow theyre going to go all the way from here to november and not release i agree. This is so tough its like im not going to debate. I dont know if they can get away with it. I dont know. Well see. Obviously, it has something he doesnt want public. Robert costa when in doubt if it looks better than it is they dont say anything. If its worse than it looks theres a reason. Thank you, thank you. Everybody have a good weekend. To be sure well be sure to join joy this weekend at 10 00 a. M. Eastern for her show a. M. Joy and her special guest harry reid. Is that saturday and sunday . Hillary clinton says shes going to be a democratic nominee thats a fact. Bernie sanders is going all out to win california and come into the Democrat Convention at the height of his political powers. Despite that show of force, hes telling Democratic Leaders hell be on board as clinton takes on donald trump. Thats ahead. Plus the latest on the investigation into what brought down that egypt airliner over the mediterranean. The cause of the crash remains as we know now a mystery. Donald trump says it was a mistake for the United States to intervene in toppling kadafi. In 2011, the year we went in there, trump was calling for military action. Hmmm. Will voters give him a pass on his changing positions . The behind the scenes story of the camp david accords. This is hardball, a place for politics. Around here the early bird gets the waffle. But for all the other birds who could use a few more minutes of sleep, weve got you covered. Enjoy free breakfast on the run and free wifi. Get up to 20 percent off as a Hilton Hhonors member at hampton. Com. An armed man was shot earlier outside the white house grounds triggering a lockdown. Nbcs chief pentagon correspondent has the latest. Reporter this place this afternoon suddenly exploded with shouts of shots fired and heavily Armed Secret Service agents running back and forth. In a bizarre story eyewitnesses said a man brandishing a weapon openly approached the guard checkpoint at the Southwest Corner of the white house grounds. When the secret Service Agents ordered them to drop the weapon, put it down, when he refused one of the agents shot the individual once in the chest, hes currently at the hospital in unknown condition. Hes identified as jessole vara of pennsylvania. Its said by u. S. Federal officials its believed that this was an attempted suicide by cop. That the suspect actually said that he wanted to die before he was shot. Was the president in any kind of danger . Reporter actually the president was in no dangero. He was golfing somewhere. Joe biden was here. 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The New York Times reported that sanders is quote, newly resolved to remain in the race seeing an Aggressive Campaign as his only chance to pressure democrats into making fundamental changes to how president s and primaries and debates are held in the future. His advisors and allies say hes going to do harm to mrs. Clinton in the shorter term if he can capture some of the delegates at stake in california and arrive at the convention with maximum power. The Washington Post reports the Democratic National Committee Plans to offer a concession to senator Bernie Sanders, seats on a Key Convention platform community. The dnc, and the campaigns will reach a final agreement less than sanders wanted but more than the dnc originally offered. Can democrats strike a deal to avoid chaos at the convention . Is she gearing up for a floor flight. We have the chairman of the democratic party, and a reporter for the New York Times. Chairman, thank you for coming on. It seems to me theres a couple areas where bernie has a good argument. One is the way that the debates were scheduled and saturday night or sunday morning, the way the dnc put the debates together was to make sure nobody watched them. The other one is to try to get an even handed policy on the middle east. A lot of democrats would like to see that. Theres a lot of fish in this barrel, a lot going on in terms of the negotiations. How do you see its going to work . Is bernie going to deal or fight . Well, first of all, i know the answer was joe clark, okay . Thank you. The last liberal from pennsylvania, right. You got it. I think sanders is going to fight for issues in the platform. He wants some reforms for future democratic

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