85 of the 154 people from private interests who met or had phone conversations scheduled with clinton while she led the state department donate td to h Family Charity or pledged to its programs. Combined, the 85 donors contributed as much as 156 million. At least 40 donated more than 100,000 each and 20 gave more than 1 million each. Today, trumps running mate called it quote, further evidence of pay to play politics. Clintons spokesman responded to the a. P. Report late today. Brian falin said this story relies on utterly flawed data, cherry picked a limited subject subset to give a portrayal of how often she crossed paths with individuals connected to charitable donations to the Clinton Foundation. The data does not account for more than half her tenure as secretary and omitted meetings she took with World Leaders, let alone countless others she took with countless government officials. Thats an interesting comment but it doesnt challenge the actual numbers. We will get to that. Anyway, yesterday trump called for a special prosecutor to look into her actions. No issue better illustrates how corrupt my opponent is than her pay for play scandals as secretary of state. As the evidence has become public over the last several months, i become increasingly shocked by the vast scope of Hillary Clintons criminality. Its criminality. The amounts involved, the favors done and the significant number of times it was done require an expedited investigation by a special prosecutor immediately, immediately, immediately. Well, the latest batch of emails were released after a lawsuit from the conservative Group Judicial watch. They include 725 pages of emails from clinton aide huma abedin. The Campaign Said in a statement quote no matter how the group tries to mischaracterize these documents, the fact remains that Hillary Clintonever took action as secretary of state because of donations to the Clinton Foundation. But todays Associated Press report shows that she makes the point to meet with its donors. We have the president of emilys list, a clinton supporter. Senior political reporter for usa today. And michael steele, former chairman of the Republican National committee and msnbc political analyst. Hes the one on the right in that three picture. Just teasing. Heidi, lets get to the facts of the latest developments and what they bear. The Clinton Campaign challenged these numbers but they are fascinating. First, it seems like a paltry number of private sector people. If you count four years she was secretary of state, thats about 200 weeks, in that entire 200 weeks she met with only like 153 people. Of them, 86 people were donors to the Clinton Foundation. But my question, thats a scanty list of people to meet with to start with. Isnt it . Yeah. Well, thats why the Clinton Campaign is saying this is not representative of all of the meetings what she had. All the private sector meetings. Right. Private sector meetings. Even private sector, the Clinton Campaign is saying this is cherry picking. Thats up to them to say that. What does that mean . But heres what the whole narrative means, including whats come out today from a. P. , including what came out from judicial watch, which is that this is not classic pay to play but what it is is its classic evidence of influence buying and the type of influence buying and access that everyone at this table knows goes on all over washington. In this case it has an extra layer of being problematic because its involving foreign governments and not just your classic millionaires and billionaires. We are going to go through these cases. Your first reaction, i think the cases, i agree about the access. It reminds me of how you get a meeting. If you give to a senate campaign, either party, male or female, if you contribute to a campaign, you will get an appointment with that person once theyre elected. Thats the way it works. You may not like it, right . Absolutely thats the way it works. If you make a contribution to a politician you get an appointment. Thats where it ends. One example being used by critics of secretary clinton is an email exchange over a meeting with the crown prince of bahrain whose family donated millions to the Clinton Foundation. Doug band, a Clinton Foundation executive emailed huma abedin of the secretary of States Office saying quote, crown prince of bahrain in friday asking to see her. Good friend of ours. Huma first responded clinton didnt want to commit. Then eventually she wrote quote, offering bahrain crown prince 10 tomorrow for a meeting with hrc. If you see him let him know. We have reached out through official channels. They say they will let the guy in but he is also pursuing the regular channels. It seems to me appropriate to meet with the crown prince of bahrain if you are secretary of state. Just a thought. Precisely. All of these meetings were scheduled through official channels of the state department. Shes secretary of state. Her job in fact is to meet with World Leaders and government leaders which the vast majority of her meetings over her tenure were exactly that. Your reaction . Its just another example of the broader problem in the first place which was this reminds me of emails, of the paid speeches which is why did you have this connection in the first place of even having the foundation while at the state department because if its going to be hundreds of examples like this where people will make these charges. If i may, the Foundation Actually went above and beyond in setting up its arrangement so it was very very transparent, ethical from the very beginning, the 2009 foundation. Clearly it wasnt transparent and ethical enough. Look, chris, you make the point, you play off the number because so few people out of 156, 80 something, but they gave 156 million to the foundation after those relationships. You didnt put on the table the fact that the foreign dignitaries, Nobel Prize Winner and others who had the same access contributed 170 million to the foundation. So you line up the ducks here and you see that even if there is no, you could say its transparent im trying to get all the information on the table. What are you bringing to the table i dont have . Help me here. No, the bangladeshi Nobel Prize Winner who was being charged by his government for the way he ran their foundation in his country sought out Hillary Clinton. So Hillary Clinton, you know, he wants her help. She gives him some help. Subsequent to that, not him but organizations that he has a direct tie and oversight of then contributed 100,000 and 250,000. It may all be very innocent. But the fact of the matter is, how does it pass a smell test when Everything Else doesnt couple things come through. First of all, we dont know all kinds of reasons why they accept somebody into their office. A lot of these people have been friends forever. The marine wife, they have been hanging out with them for years. There are all kinds of motives for letting a person have an interview. Plus some of these people like the slimfast executive have positions outside of their corporate role such as he was head of the center for peace and security, whatever the name. Ngos. Doesnt he lend his plane to clinton, that guy . Sure. [ speaking simultaneously ] we have to remember this is the Clinton Foundation and the clinton global initiative. This is an organization doing massive amounts of charitable work. Im not challenging that point. Thats a distraction. Thats not the point. I think it is actually really important. This is why is bill clinton saying im not going to be head of it anymore if she gets elected . Why pull out if its not a problem . They werelways going to try to figure out, it will be the first time he will be they Just Announced this week they arent taking money from overseas anymore. They arent taking money, they are admitting theres a conflict. If my chance, im political so im always afraid i will jinx the election, but if she becomes president of the United States, he will be for the first time ever, a spouse of the president of the United States. Of course the circumstances change. Whether that is good enough given everything thats coming out, because then theres still questions. What about chelsea . Will she divorce herself . What about the contributions that might be made between now and the election . Why not end it now . Thats why you have even the boston Globe Editorial board saying cut it off. Cut ties. I got to say, i said this before many times, i completely believe what stephanie says. Its a great organization. It does great work. My son worked for it like ten years ago, got the job himself after he graduated from brown. He talked to somebody up there. He didnt want to do the peace corps for two years. He had a girlfriend, wanted to limit it so i did five months in rwanda after the genocide. He worked there and made sure the aids drugs didnt go into the european black market. What the clinton people do which is really tough, they say give to us, the drugs, pay for them and we will make sure the local government doesnt steal it. This is a big thing in aid. Most aid gets stolen. What the clinton people do is we will make sure if you give to them, the money will get to the right people. It will benefit people. It wont be another one of these jokes most foreign aid is. Its a good cause. Look all the more reason to your point they should cut it off now. All the more reason to ask the question who will pick it up . Who is going to do what bill clintons been doing . Its not like bill clinton is standing there handing out the aid himself. Hes got an entire team. It will still be his name. It will still be his organization. Hes mr. Charm. Lets take a look at carville. I think carville is always incredibly honest. You dont have to believe that hes bipartisan but hes honest. On morning joe he was asked whether the foundation should have stopped taking foreign donations when Hillary Clinton became secretary of state. A great question. Watch. The good would be we wouldnt be gathered here. The bad would be you would be out hundreds of millions of dollars that are doing good. What the Clinton Foundation does, it takes money from rich people and gives it to poor people. Most people think thats a pretty good idea. Thud sshould they have done from the beginning . If you ask me as a political adviser, of course. If you ask me as a human being, im not too sure. As a human being, i think it does an enormous amount of good. From a strictly political standpoint, my sixth grade teacher says somebodys going to hell over this because somebody here or somewhere, this is saving peoples lives. You like that . He basically said its a good cause and politically its a state problem. Lets take a look. The Trump Campaign put out a statement from former new york mayor Rudy Giuliani about the Associated Press story which we just broke here. It said in part from the facts revealed today it is impossible to figure out where the Clinton Foundation ends and the state department begins. It is now abundantly clear that the clintons set up a business to profit from public office, they sold access and specific actions for money. In other words they merged the two into the Clinton Family racketeering enterprise. Way over the top. I see no criminality here. I see ethics and conflict, which we live in washington. Every one watching knows when you give to a political politician you expect access. When they call up and say he wants to meet with you sometime this week you get the meeting. But hillary took no action and she made that clear and that is very true. She took no action as secretary of state. None whatsoever. We are being very legalistic and thats true. When you talk about special prosecutors, you ought to be legalistic. Has a law been broken . It doesnt violate anything. There were no favors. But when you present this to the average american, it doesnt ring true that this doesnt lead to corruption. Let me just point out here that is exactly what the Supreme Court ruled in 2014 with the mccutcheon v fec case when it says it does not lead to corruption. Tell me, bring that to the American People and ask them if they really believe that. That is unfortunately the system we have been given. We have this system. Basically theres two kinds of politicians like theres two kinds of everything. Theres the rich person who can pay their way right through. Trump was certainly doing that pretty effectively. The rockefellers, corzine in new jersey, frank lautenberg. They can write the checks. You want those people running the country . Or the other kind of people like the clintons . They basically live off of the friendship of people and the money they give to them and those people are still their friends when they get elected. They are. Two things, one, to the idea that this is a Noble Foundation and it is, the inferences that but for this relationship, those people who gave that money wouldnt give that money. Well, if the foundation is that noble they would have given it under their own volition without some connection to Hillary Clinton. Two, the idea that because you have the situation where Hillary Clinton is in office as secretary of state, its not the same thing. Its not that they gave to her political campaign, they gave to a foundation that has all kinds of ties and relationships to foreign governments. Thats a big difference for a lot of people out there. If we were talking about donors to her Campaign Like you are talking that we all know happens in this town, different conversation. You put it all together there. I thank you all. This is murky. We can agree its murky. Its a great opportunity for critics to make but the criminality question and calling it racketeering . I dont think she became secretary of state so she could help the Clinton Foundation. I think she accepted it as a public service. Im telling you. And an honor. And an honor. But as Martin Luther king said sometimes when you do the right thing it has political benefits. Thank you all. Coming up, donald trump has been making his case to minority voters, a bloc that polls show are resistant to his candidacy. Id say. Is he truly trying to go after minority voters . Then why isnt he meeting with africanamerican voters . Thats my question. One way to show someone you want them to vote for you, you meet them. He hasnt done that yet. Plus, ann coulter makes the case for trump. Shes out with a new bookmaking the case for the billionaire businessman and tonight tells us why skeptical republicans, independents and democrats should take a second look. Speaking of trump, why is he promoting the idea that Hillary Clinton isnt healthy enough to be commander in chief . That she lacks, i love this word, i dont know where it came from but it sounds gender related, stamina. Whats stamina all about . His critics are calling that sexism. The roundtable delves into that. Look at all the women who won gold medals. Its unbelievable. The american women are the fourth Biggest Country in the world in the olympics just themselves. Finally, the determination to give people who served their time for doing bad things back into society. 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