Revealed. All of those people. Now it looks like it is 50 of the people that saw her had to make contributions to the Clinton Foundation. Wait until you see what she did for all those people. Wait until you see. These are not people that go in as i said, and talk about how are you feeling. It is impossible to tell where the Clinton Foundation ends and the state department ends. She did so to cover up a vast pay for play scheme. Her actions are criminal. Hillary clinton thinks she is above the law. Boy, the introduction to trump today, former new york city mayor Rudolph Giuliani said the clintons, what they did was worse than watergate. Listen to him. I am more than willing to predict when the history of our day is written, the scandal you are watching unfold will be like the tea pot dome scandal in the 1920s. Maybe bigger. Nixon had to leave office. Did he a lot of bad things but he was not raking in millions and millions of dollars through a phoney charity. Do you know what the clintons must be saying . What a jerk that 9 11on was. You want to really be a criminal, you destroy evidence. Its not a phony charity. Lets get straight. Earlier today by our count, there were over 1,700 other meetings she had. She was secretary of state. She was meeting with foreign officials and government officials constantly. So to pull all of them out of the equation. It is complete outrageous. To set tim highest possible standards to prevent any conflict of interest. Hillary clinton and her family had a foundation. It is charitable. They dont receive a salary from it. Hillary clinton doesnt have a conflict of interest with charitable work. Thats all it is. Earlier this evening, bill clinton weighed in on what would happen with the foundation. Should Hillary Clinton win the presidency . Thats all it is. I made it cheer. If she becomes president , well have to do more than when she was secretary of state. If you make a mistake. If youre president , you cant. Were going to transition all these responsibilities that would require foreign and corporate donations. I wont raise money for the foundation if she wins. And im happy to do the transition as quickly as we can. Weve already found partners other want to take over some of this stuff. We have to do it in a way that no one loses their job, no one loses their income. Thats all im concerned about. So is this about quid pro quo . Or about access to people who donate . Is this really pay to play or another more common case of pay to play with. To have access with people. Socially as well as politically. Nbcs Andrea Mitchell covers the campaign is is the host here on msnbc. Just give us, what are the facts here that we can discern in terms of any possible could not nick of interest between the people who come to see Hillary Clinton as secretary of state, who have already given this Clinton Global Initiative . Is there a conflict there . Look. There are lots of people who are either corporate or social friends of the clintons and contributors to the foundation. And they have had meetings with Hillary Clinton. And they got access. They had relationships with think tanks, group thats do charities elsewhere like the gates family and others. This has been handled very sloppily. The fire wall was not properly defined as well as it should have been. There is a memorandum of understanding signed by both sides when Hillary Clinton was confirmed by the Foreign Relations committee. By people watching the white house. They all agreed to the terms. They were probably not as careful as they should have been. There is no way to determine anything illegal. Rudolph giuliani notwithstanding. The state Department Says no rules were broken. No ethical rules were broken. No laws were broken. It was all above board. That these people would have had meetings with her in any case. So it is like a political campaign. Do senators and Congress Members accept phone calls from people who are their contributors before they hear from the average person . Yes. That is the way business is done in washington. It is something Bernie Sanders and others have been campaigning against. It is and not illegal. It is not something that voters like and could it hurt her at the polls. You said then senator hillary of new york signed an ethics agreement which was men to serve as the fire wall between her duties as secretary and the duties of the Clinton Foundation. For the duration of my point as secretary, if i will confirmed, i will not participate personally and substantially in any particular matter involving specific parties in which they are a party. Now thats pretty legalese. What would that mean . I wont meet with people who gave to the foundation . I wont serve in office, little duties, little tasks to undertake secretary of state . It means no quid pro quo. And we have not found a quid pro quo. For instance, earlier tonight i interviewed f. Daniel abraham, the founder of slim fast. His communications, the emails to huma abedin asking for a meeting. Was that a quid pro quo . He tells me that he was meeting with her, that he knew her since 1992. He was meeting with her as head of the middle east institution on issues of middle east peace. Getting the palestinians and the israelis together. And he was calling for that meeting when he was with high israeli official. So he has an explanation. It doesnt sound like a quid pro quo. He has known Hillary Clinton for all those years. He would get that meeting no matter when or how he had given to the foundation. In the case of governor mcdonald, the Supreme Court made it clear. You have to do something absolutely overt shelf has to pick up the phone and saying i am calling and doing this for you because you are a donor. They overturned that conviction so there is no, as far as we know, no legal case here. And it is really a matter of politics that the republicans are claiming that this is pay for play and something that should lead to her being indicted or convicted or lock her up. That is really the campaign. We have yet to say anything from any investigator that says this is the case. He is 92 years old. He is not some rabid he is a guy who happens to be jewish who really believes in trying to find peace between palestinians and the israelis. The former congressman worked for him. Died over there working for him of natural causes. He gave his life working for that cause. It was great cause. Why should not he fwoet meet with secretary of state . Thank you for including that bit of fact. With me now, the republican strategist and a writer. What would you call this if you discovered that somebody had gotten a lot of access in terms office time . Whatever the percentage is of a public official for people who had given money . A charitable cause or a Campaign Contribution . Would that know new to you . Would that be unethical to you . I will take first and third piece first. No. It would not be new to me. It would be something that to me, someone when i was a board member for the National Lesbian and gay journalists association, i had raise money and do philanthropic work for our own organization. And people give money to nonprofits for all sorts of reasons. For access. To be close to important people. We would do a dinner every year with big journalists and people would pay a lot of money just to be able to sit next to tom brokaw or dan rather. Im dating myself here. But people give money to philanthropic organizations for various reasons. And what is at issue here, to get to your is it ethical piece. As andrea said. From reading the ap story, i did not read anything that was remotely illegal. You want to talk about appearances, this whole story, the way it has been handled needs into the fair if i have the clintons cant be trusted. If you read the ap story, as difl i came away thinking, where is the beef here . If youre going to hang the entire story, you have no story. It doesnt seem straining to me. In fact my hunch is a lot of people who gave to the Global Initiative also gave to their campaigns. Knew them socially. And jonathan is so right. A lot of people give money to politicians whatever the cause so they can sit next to them in a dinner. They like the close know of somebody important. A couple things. As you know, im a campaign consultant. Were having a conversation a little more than two months out whether or not Hillary Clinton broke the law is probably not a good day for the clinton campaign, number one. Who said she broke the law . Who said that . People are saying, we have yet to find anywhere where she did break the law. But we wouldnt be having this discussion if there were not at least some stupidity involved. You have bill clinton now saying, well, if shes president , were not going to do hit the way. It could be a conflict. That was the same problem when she was secretary of state. If it was a bad idea when she was president , its a bad idea when shes secretary of state. And i think they should be willing to own up to that. Back to you. That point sounds important to me. If it is a problem so much that the former president has to pull out of this deal and say no more foreign contributions. If you admit concern about a conflict, why not do it earlier . Do it when she was made secretary of state . Were talking about two different jobs. Of course, if clinton is elected president of the United States, all the things they have announced that would it do if she is elected are things that have to be done. The people are saying right now that the foundation should close. They should cease all their activities. At no point do they talk about what happens to the people on the other end of those surfaces that the foundation helps. No one talks about the lives involved. Ill talk about that. The firsthand experience with the Clinton Foundation. I think it does great work and i would hate to see it stop. Coming up, donald trump plans to meet with black ask hispanic republicans tomorrow. It is an invitation only thing to trump tower. They have to come to him take. Escalator up and meet him in his home place. His kingdom, if you will. Also, overseas, news of a murder attack at the American University in kabul. Well have the latest on that horror. And Hillary Clinton is leading in the polls in most of the big states that matter. Could she win in a land slide . I think it is doable if they continue. And our round table is here to size up 2016. If 9 11on got reelected or johnson got reelected. Or more like the squeaker we saw with the Supreme Court. Finally, let me sway the Clinton Foundation ask Global Initiative. Former philadelphia and former philadelphia and miami police chief was laid to rest tuesday in new york city. Hundreds of mourners turned out at st. Patricks cathedral. He lost his battle to lung cancer last week. He was born in ireland of he moved to new york at the age of 12 and would later become an nypd officer. He rose to first Deputy Commissioner under bill bratton before his top positions in philadelphia and miami. He was described as one of a kind. And he was also, one of the last of that kind. Welcome back. Welcome back. Donald trump continues his outreach to minorities communities, again asking them, what do you have to lose . Here he is. What do you have to lose . Im going to make it so good. To the africanamerican vote, great people. To the hispanic voter who has been absolutely treated terribly, i say what do you have to lose . What . Ill be able to make sure when you walk down the street in your inner city or wherever you are, youre not going to be shot. Wow thats pretty rough stuff. Meanwhile he seem to be moderating. In the past he said he would round them up and have a Deportation Force he would create. Here he is last night. You seem to, in the last week, be revisiting the issue of sending everybody back. That is here illegally. Tell us where you stand on that. We want to follow laws. We have very strong laws. Is there any part of the law that you might be able to change that would accommodate those people that would contribute to society . Have been law abiding . Would there be any room in your mind . I know you had a meeting this week. Hispanic leaders. Did i. Great people, great hispanic leaders and there can be a softening. Were not to hurt people. We have some great peel in this country. We have some great, great people in this country. But were going to follow the laws of this country. According to the washington post, he is trying shed the label that some have stuck on him. Trump has ordered a fullfledged strategy to court black and latino voters and is mobilizing scores of minority figures to advocate publicly for his candidacy. Tomorrow they will meet at trump tower. Trump outrun his birther past . Cornell is a pollster and amy holmes, she was the senior speech writer to former Senate Majority leader bill frist. What is your sense of what trump is trying to accomplish here . And does he have what it takes to pull it off . I dont really take it seriously. If i want to enter connect with africanamerican voters, im not necessarily meeting with republicans. Around 20 of hispanics are identified with republicans. I dont see this as an outreach the africanamericans at all. What this is, you look at the polling numbers in these Battle Ground states. And we talk about he is losing ground with White College educated voters. He runs 15 or 16 off. A whole swath unsupportive of a racist. This is not about africanamericans, forgetting aa whole year of racism. I think donald trump would love to get a larger percent of the africanamerican sxroet the hispanic vote. We know donald trump likes to aim big. I dont disagree that part of the outreach is to quell the discomfort among some of the more central rift voters that he needs if he wanted to be president of the United States. As reported in the fourway race, we final him getting 7 of the africanamerican vote. Compare it to ross perot who spoke in front of the naacp addressing the crowd as your people. And he still got 7 of the vote. I think his Campaign Announced they plan to hold a rally in jackson, mississippi. Which is a town 80 africanamerican. I think it will be much watch tv. Does he keep his cool . Thats a great question. Do you take this seriously if he were to go into black churches where the environment would be more conducive to the congregation there than to him . More than the people welcoming him than to him . You show you have the right chemistry. And that shows doing what it takes. Thats the true ask. Saying to come out for tea. It doesnt seem like the way you campaign by inviting people to you. You have to go to them. Usually. Very condescending but i dont know why were surprised. Looking at where hes going. Last time checked, mississippi was not a Battle Ground state. If this was about winning over africanamericans in places in play, you need to go, to be in florida. But the big cities in the south. Cornell, big cities are where you get africanamerican audiences. To go cleveland in a Battle Ground state where it is competitive. Last time i checked, democrats werent playing in mississippi. This is about shoring up some of his voters than it is reaching out. Im for him all going to mississippi and to plaque cities. Lets talk about this new report that just came out. On this one. Trump seems toim my he is open to allowing some Illegal Immigrants to stay in the u. S. Quote no, citizenship, let me go a step further, theyll pay back taxes. They have to pay taxes. No amnesty as such. But we work with them. Everybody agrees we get bad ones out. When i go through and i meet thousands and thousands of people on this sun, and ive had very strong people come up to me. Really great, great people come up to me. To take a person who has been here 15 or 20 years and to throw their family out, its so tough plrgs trump. I have it all the time. It is a very, very hard thing. It sounds like doesnt want to be the Cartoon Version plaintiff trump anymore. And it sounds like Kellyanne Conway is influencing him. The question is will Trump Supporters be unhappy with this softening around immigration. The answer is no. I think they think that donald trump is with them. His instincts are in the right treks. Not unlike when senator obama in 2008 said that he defined marriage as a covenant between a man and a woman before god. But others said he is white house this issue and it turns out they were right. Will Trump Supporters own acceptance of this new Campaign Rhetoric and have the same payoff for them . Its like when you full blanket around at night. Someone uses the blanket and get cold. How will his softening on this issue of deportations play with his base . Some are not happy. For example, hey, donald trump, dont go softening your stance against illegal immigration too much. He know, youre back in a dead heat with hillary but dont let it go to your hes. You didnt where you are by challenging jeb bush. Im worrying that hes talking to the wrong people. He is sounding more like the candidates he defweetd the talking points about softening on, deporting the ones, theyve been here a long time and theyre lawabiding. Yes, thats true. How about you just say no. My policy is consistent. This could be the shortest book tour ever if he is really softening on his position. I dont think he is. Where are you on the softening of donald trump . I think it is pivoting to the center in homes of winning this election. Will he lose the supporters .