Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20180518

Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20180518

Intermittent gunfire across the country, political silence here in the capital. Ten people are dead, nine students and a teacher, another ten wounded. This time all hell broke loose before 7 30 app local time. Several witnesses heard a fire alarm go off, then shots rang out. Nobody thought it was a shooting. Everybody just thought it was, you know, normal procedure or practice fire drill. And next thing you know, we just hear so many three gunshots. A lot of explosions and all the teachers are telling us to run, run, go. Run. I was scared for my life. Nobody should go through this. Nobody should be able to feel that in school. This is a place where were supposed to feel safe. This is somewhere we come most of the week. Nobody should have to go through this and nobody should feel that pain. We heard more shots and the teachers scream to run. Everybody started to run. People were getting hit and everything. Its crazy. Ive heard someone that a guy came in in a trench coat and duffel bag and he had like a shotgun and just started shooting people. I dont know what else happened. Officials said investigators also found explosive devices in the school and in surrounding campus areas. The suspected shooter is a 17yearold who attended the school being held without bond on capital murder charges and hes expected to make his First Court Appearance momentarily. Texas Governor Greg Abbott told reporters two types of weapons were used in the attack, a shotgun and a. 38 revolver both owned legally by the suspects father. He also said one or two people of interest are being investigated by authorities in connection with the shooting. We come together today as we deal with one of the most heinous attacks that weve ever seen in the history of texas schools. Its impossible to describe the magnitude of the evil of someone who would attack innocent children in a school. We need to do more than just pray for the jims and their families. Its time in texas that we take action to step up and make sure this tragedy is never repeated ever again in the history of the state of texas. For more, im joined by Joaquin Castro of texas, a congressman from the area, Shannon Watson of moms demand action for gun sense in america and greg pit man a teacher. Parkland. Thank you all for coming here tonight, a grim night again. Congressman, tell us what you know about the shooting by the 17yearold in texas. That area is a small town, probably about 13,000 people on the edge of rural and suburban. And its in between houston and galveston. And fairly conservative area. But you know, just like any other place in america, have you students finishing off the school year, maybe just finished up with prom getting ready for graduation. Theyre confronted with this massacre and this tragedy today. Do most people in the area, can you say whether or not they own shotguns . Have weapons in their homes . Generally in texas, you know, there are a lot of folks that hunt for sport. A lot of people do own either shotguns or handguns. So im sure santa fe is just like that. What do you think should be done . Maybe this is a bad question. Its in peoples minds, if a kid grabs his fathers shotgun and. 38 we involver and heads out to shoot people, should the father be held accountable for the fact he left the gun sitting around the house. That is a tough question. We need gun owners to be much more responsible. I agreed with some of the comments made by the texas leaders even though texas state officials have done little to stem gun violence, mariners need to be more responsible in making sure their guns are locked up and kept safe from their kids. The Lieutenant Governor is talking about lis solution is to have one door rather than two doors to the school. Is that it . The single door policy . Thats going to deal with this issue . Is it that serious . I was really dumbfounded when i heard that comment by Lieutenant Governor dan patrick. Weve got it here. Let everybody judge for them selves. Whether they think this is a serious response or not. This has been going on too long in our country. Were going to get backing to that. Shannon in, youre a founder of mothers depend action. What action can we expect in i dont expect any action. We live in this gun. Its a gun tooting country. We believe in the Second Amendment. We live with it the way its interpreted by the Supreme Court i think is irresponsible. Here we are. You know, we have seen significant change on the ground since parkland. Weve seen republican governors sign sweeping gun reform into law. We are seeing movement state by state. Red flag laws being basd, laws that disarm domestic abusers, states continuing to close the background check loophole. Texas doesnt have many of these laws. There have been 20 Mass Shootings in the state since 2009. Two just this week. All greg abbott has done is make it easier for dangerous people to get guns. It really is on all of us in november to elect lawmakers that will vote the right way on there issue and that will act. Well, just to make your point, all i hear is calls for open carry in saloons and restaurants, people want to walk through the malls with guns, toting guns openly. It seems to be going in that direction, more guns in more places more openly. You know, we have something nothing other developed nation has which is the gun lobby. Lobbyists are always fighting for guns for anyone anywhere anytime, no questions asked. Thats how they continue to sell more guns. Theres 100 million loss in gun sales since donald trump was elected. And the nra is trying to figure out how to make up for that losses in sales. Part of it is to do things like arming teachers. If they arm a fraction of americas 3. 6 million teachers they could easily recoup the loss. Get ready to hear those talking points tomorrow morning. Lets see what the Lieutenant Governor of terms where this happened today had to say. His name is dan patrick. He offered his own solution to reduce gun violence in schools today. Maybe we need to look at limiting the entrance and the exits into our schools so that we can have Law Enforcement looking at the people who come in one or two entrances. Were going to have to be creative. Well have to think out of the box because from what we know this dude walked in today with a long coat and a shotgun under his coat. Its 90 degrees. Had there been one single entrance possibly for every student, maybe he would have been stopped. Well, let me go to greg pit man because youve been through this before as a teacher at a School Hit Hard by gun violence. What do you think of politicians who openly say their entire philosophy is answered in fewer doors . And somehow seriously, the guy shows up dressed like hes in the movie the matrix with a long coat on. You would think they would have noticed that behavior before and not have a law about it but common sense would have told them this is a troubled kid out to make a point. What do you make of a politician, Lieutenant Governor of a state whose entire response to this is fewer doors. Again, i think chris, one of the things here with that, thats certainly might help in one way. We go back to the problem of the question of the guns. Back to the question can you raised earlier. A 17yearold was able to obtain the fathers guns. Why did the father not have them locked up . Again, there is some responsibility borne by both the father, the mother, the parents here with this kid being able to access guns. One of the big problems in our society is no one ever is responsible anymore. Our politicians arent responsible. Theyre not responsible to the people. The parents here arent responsible. Somebody needs to be responsible for some of the actions and just the idea of limiting the doors that certainly may help. I know at douglas, weve tried to limit, theyve tried to reduce Access Points so they can better watch the students as they come in. Theyve gone to these clear bags and other things. Again, if they really want to get a gun in, you can still get a gun in. The same thing here not unless they search every single kid with everything they bring in. It goes back to the access to be able to obtain the guns to begin with. It goes to raising the age i think to be able to obtain guns. How do these 17yearolds, so many of these shooters, the shooter at our school was 19 who was able to legally buy the gun at that time. Florida raised the age to 21. Many states need to raise the age to 21 or perhaps older. Very easy to get guns. We need to extend background checks which wouldnt have prevented this but back to some responsibility of the parents or someone on controlling guns. Whose fault is this supposed to be . It cant be no ones fault. Someone has to be responsible for this and i dont understand why the parents are never responsible anymore. Thats one thing that we see at schools now, no one is responsible for anything. The only ones responsible are the teachers. The teachers are being asked to do everything. Governor abbott of texas also said he planned to hold a roundtable around the state to discuss how to prevent further shootings in texas. Heres the governor of the state. We will assemble all stakeholders to begin to work immediately on Swift Solutions to prevent tragedies like this from ever happening again. We want to hear from parents, we want to hear from students. We want to hear from educators. We want to hear from concerned citizens. We want to hear from those who hold the Second Amendment right in high esteem. We want to hear from everybody who has an interest in what has happened today so we can work together. Im sorry, but congressman it, makes me convinced that politics is an acting profession. That was an act. Mike, let me ask you this. This is the question. Everywhere in the world, there are countries that have violence of course, but they dont have School Shootings. We seem to have a lot of them. Yeah. Every couple months it happens and every couple months somebody like the governor says well talk about it and the pro gun safety people like me i guess and the other people on the show say something, the pro gun people say do nothing. We go back and think about Something Else the next two days. It is a shame that the United States congress has not done anything, anything to protect our students from gun violence. Do you feel the prevalence in your life . Certainly in texas. If you go to vote for gun safety, you know theyre coming at you, right . Sure. Ive stood at polls and asked for peoples support and theyve said theyre not going to because the nra said they shouldnt and have a list of approved candidates. Greg abbott was basically lip syncing. He will stood by while tragedy after tragedy has hurt texans and hes done nothing. When they have the roundtables i have the first suggestion for him. He should allow under texas law local governments to take action into their own hands. Right now texas state law doesnt allow any local government to do anything about gun violence to make their own laws regarding any of this. He should free up local governments to do that especially if theyre going to sit on their hands and do nothing. Shannon, were looking at the parents apparently recover recovering. Theyre not going to recover from this violence. Its a hell on earth situation. What is it about america that has this headline around the world, if youre in tokyo right now where they dont have this or london where they really dont have this or paris or nish in the world, south africa, they dont have this kind of stuff, you go whats with america . Whats with us . Are there that many angry kids 17 years old angry at the kids in class who dont treat them right and go out shooting at them . What combination of facts do we have that is no other nation has. Every nation is home to disgruntled teens. What we have that is different is easy access to guns. If more guns and fewer gun laws made us safer, we would be the safest country in the world. Instead we have the highest rate of gun violence of any nation. 96 americans are shot and killed in this country every day. We talk about it when ten people are killed at a time. Theres gun violences in communities all day long that isnt being addressed or seen or even reported on the news and these families are suffering. And it is on our lawmakers to act. They could stop this. We know any states with strong gun laws they have much fewer gun deaths. And yet, these lawmakers are sitting on their hands. Were watching now the suspect be brought into court for the first time. This is the 17yearold suspected of committing this horrible crime today in texas. Santa fe. Here he comes. Lets watch. Slide him over. To his left. To his left. Were watching the suspect in the School Shooting down in santa fe, texas, today where ten people were killed and ten others injured. Some of them also victims of shotgun violence and hes being brought in for the first time right now to face the court. To face a judge. This, of course, the first step in any kind of judicial proceeding. Hes being brought before the system basically. Strange now, hes standing behind that partition in the doorway there. Lets listen to this. Apologize. Im judge henry. Have you been charged with capital murder and charged with aggravated assault against a public servant. Im denying your bond on both charges. You have the right to retain counsel, right to remain silent to have an attorney present during interviews with attorneys representing the state. You have the right to interpret that interview anytime. You have the right to request the appointment of council. You are not required to make a statement. Any statement made by you may it be used against you. Are you a citizen of the United States . Are you a citizen of the United States . Yes, sir. Are you requesting consideration for a Court Appointed attorney . Yes. Are you out on bond for any other charge . Im going to ask you to sign the front pang which is just acknowledging i road you your rights this afternoon. Youre not entering a plea today. Your rights this afternoo. Youre not entering a plea todaacknowledging i road you yo rights this afternoon. Youre not entering a plea today. Im going to have you sip a second time requesting consideration to be appointed a Court Appointed attorney and a third time saying that youll keep your appointments and tell us if you change your address or phone number. One more time right here please saying that youre requesting that Court Appointed attorney. Judge . Im sorry . To the next window. Over again. Go ahead and do it over again. Do you have any questions . All right. Were finished. Theyre going to work on the application. Congressman, youre a texan. I mean, its not texas isnt responsible for this obviously. One person is perhaps the situation he faced at home had some role in it having access to the gun. Texans arent going to change, are they . It sounds like well be back here in a couple months with another one of these. Shan in mentioned i think things are changing slowly. The public sentiment is changing in texas also. Unfortunately the politicians have not changed with the sentiment. Nra still calls the shots . They still have a lot of sway. I think thats waning also, i think theyre losing power. Greg, what were the reactions today of your students in parkland who have been through this hell before up front . Again today, this afternoon, i was with my fourth period which is a class that i was with the day of the shooting at douglas on february 14th. And all the kids were veryup set about it. They wanted to watch, they wanted to see what was going on. Some were very quiet but they were very interested but also upset and it was bringing back you know some of the same feelings that we went through, the fire alarm goes off, everybody starts going out, starts the same kind of things that we did that same day and then so similar as to what we experienced. So again, kids were upset by it. Very much. And the other thing ill throw out, not only that, but before this, our kids, our teachers, our school is suffering from ptsd. Even the people that werent in the building directly where the students were shot and teachers and others were killed, it has been a very slow process to get to where we are right now. We are definitely not healed. The school is not normal. Weve got there we joke or call it the new normal which is nowhere near what we used to be. Its very difficult. Three months out and obviously this kind of brings it all back to life again for us. And i can only sympathize with the community there and what theyre going to experience because i understand what its like and its going to be a long difficult road and theyre going to need a lot of support. Certainly im sure well try to help support but theyll need support from all around the country. Its not an easy thing to deal with. Then you go back. Its not like many other places that youre at some other random place. There is where the kids go to school, where we go to work, why we dont use that one building, well go to the school. Weve got three more years of kids before they graduate and the teachers obviously will still there be. So. Congressman, i want to thank you. Greg, i want to tell you one thing, im so proud of the fact your students have spoeng out. I hope they keep speaking out. The one thing the gun lobby has going for it, theyre be obsesses. The people who want gun safety have to be relentless. That seems to be true with your students. Thank you, Joaquin Castro, thank you for coming on this grim you were going to come on anyway. Thank you for coming on despite this. Shannon watts, youre a wonderful spokesperson. We need you, greg pitman, teachers are great. Coming up next, the other big story of the day, President Trump and allies are attacking the very investigation of Russian Election pleding and coordination with moscow by the trump pain. Trump says it was wrong for the fbi to investigate his campaign. Wrong for them to be looking for evidence of criminal activity. Is he crazy . Were watching the investigation. Theyre attacking the investigators worried what the outcome of evidence will be. Of course, theyre getting nervous. Plus, Rudy Giuliani tooting the same horn says the in

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