Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20180525

MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews May 25, 2018

Trump making that statement during a speech at the Naval Academy earlier today. For we are witnessing the great reawakening of the american spirit and of american might. We have rediscovered our identity, regained our stride, and were proud again. Our country has regained the respect that we used to have long ago abroad. Yes, theyre respecting us again. Yes, america is back. Earlier this morning, President Trump said the north korean summit might be back on. He told reporters the u. S. Was still talking to north korea and that when it comes to negotiations everybody plays games. Mr. President , is the summit still on . Were requesting to see what happens. Were talking to them now. It was a very nice statement they put out. Well see what happens. The possibility at all or is that. No, no, well see what happens. It could even be the 12th. Were talking to them now. They very much want to do it. Were going to see what happens. Everybody plays games. You know that. Nbc news reported that trump canceled the summit fearing that the North Koreans might beat him to the punch and he wanted to be the one to cancel first according to multiple officials. There were significant disagreements among the president s top advisers especially secretary of state mike pompeo and National Security adviser john bolton. One official said the process was like herding cats. Despite the continues public optimism, the New York Times reporting white house officials remain skeptical because as one official said, june 12th is in ten minutes. Trump described himself as a dealmaker on the campaign trail and frequently touted his negotiating skills. I will bring america to a flu level. I will negotiate deals nobody can negotiate like do i. I know everybody that im running against. Nobody will be able to do the kind of things i can do. Its supposed to be you get along with congress and cajole and everybody gets in a room and we end up with deals. Youre supposed to gather people around and make great deals. I want to make great deals from my side of the equation. Otherwise, youll have a stagnant country like you do right now. Have you no negotiation. Washington is in total gridlock. As the new yorkers Susan Glasser points out, deal making has proven challenging for the president there are no deals with trump and increasingly unlikely to be not on nafta, middle east peace or obamacare or infrastructure. Trump is a much better deal breaker than dealmaker. For more, im joined by nicholas kristof, Jonathan Lemire from the Associated Press and analyst and sue me terry former director for korea, japan at the National Security council. Jonathan, let me start with you. What is going on inside the white house to precipitate the cancellation and how active are the talks now in terms of getting this back on the schedule potentially . This is something that the president has really wanted despite some of his closest advisers urging caution 0 go ahead with this deal, even some suggesting by just agreeing to the summit in the first place, youve given kim jongun an air of legitimacy he didnt have. They made efforts in recent days to make this thing happen in singapore in the middle of june. North korea suddenly disengaged in a lot of the talks setting off alarm bells in the white house and state department how seriously north korea was taking the possibility of the summit and would they be willing to give away what the president wants them to do. You heard today a little bit more optimistic from the president and from those around the white house. This is something he still wants. He sees this as not just something important for Global Safety but also as a real win for him. The idea that not just account know be peace prize, but the idea of accomplishing something that no american president has been able to do, to bring peace to the Korean Peninsula something he thinks would bolster his poll numbers and perhaps inknock calculate him from some of these investigations surrounding him and perhaps have a trickle down effect to republicans in the midterm. The idea of can you vote against this president and his party if hes brought peace to korea that no one else has been able to do. Well talk about this later at the board. To look at trumps poll numbers on this question of north korea, nick kristof, in terms of the possibility this is still something the president very much wants to make happen, that line he had there today saying everybody plays games, do you see any strategy behind it the abrupt cancellation that would give trump the administration and trump more leverage in terms of picking things up now . No it antagonized north korea and our asian allies. And it seems to have been based, as well at least according to nbc, on a complete misunderstanding of north koreas position and the assumption that north korea was about to back out of the deal, which is preposterous. Just as earlier President Trump seemed to enter the idea of the singapore talks on a complete delusion that north korea was about to completely hand over all its Nuclear Weapons, which likewise was prepo pos terrous. So you know, ive been covering north korea, ive been visiting north korea since the 1980s. This is a moment of tremendous opportunity and risk and it is so maddening to see this being mismanaged with this combination of ineptitude and ignorance and kind of obliviousness. Sumi terry, whats your expectation as you watch everything being discussed here, everything playing out in the United States, in north korea . Do you think there still will be a summit . Could it be on that june date . Will there be no summit at all . Whats your expectation . I expect summit to take place. Maybe timeline could slip a little bit. Nick was absolutely correct. I think Trump Administration nis understood north korea. North koreaing had no intention of canceling the summit. The two previous statements they produced, they were to protest all this talk about libya and all this. They didnt mean to cancel the meeting. When you look at the last statement they produced seven hours after trump canceled the meeting, it was very con silltory. I have never seen a north korean statement personally praising trump saying hes a bold decisionmaker and so on. I think north korea is very much into having this meeting with trump and summit will take place because President Trump also wants it. There was significant disagreement within the administration what to do about north korea. One person close to trump said the president was unhappy with Vice President pences public remarks appearing to threaten regime changing in north korea. According to several administration officials, secretary of state mike pompeo who was taking the lead why in negotiating with the North Koreans blamed bolton for torpedoing the progress already made. Bolton has a long history of calling for regime change in north korea. I think this is potentially a meeting that begins and ends with the president saying tell me what youre going to doing to denuclearize and kim jongun saying well have talks about this and talks about that. It could be a long and unproductive meeting or it could be a short and unproductive meeting. North korea has a playbook of phrases that they use depending on what their propaganda strategy is. I think their history over decades is that they like iran, like others use negotiations to buy time to conceal their Nuclear Weapons and Ballistic Missile activities. Are there any Diplomatic Options left in your view . I think the only diplomatic option left is to end the regime in north korea. John, you see, this as a priority of the president , something he cares about. Do you have a sense who has his ear . Were showing bolton, pompeo. Is there a sense within the administration whose view he is most sensitive to . That changes minute by minute particularly with advisers in and outside of favor. It is a truism within the administration he tends to listen to the newer voices in the room. Pompeo and bolton are relatively new to the administration. Pompeo has made two trips to north korea in order to grease the wheels for the summit and urging the president to move forward cautiously but believes it should happen. Bolton has sort of suggested he will go along with what the president said but he has advised against it and thinks that kim is not to be trusted and that regime change would be the best course of action here. Within the white house, just in the last few hours, they have said theres a team of staffers supposed to to singapore to work on the logistics of the summit. As of now, theyre still planning to go. That doesnt mean its going to happen or happen on june 12th but its an indication they havent given up on the possibility of these talks. Its interesting too, nick, when you talk about bolton saying regime change, bolton talking about making another libya out of north korea. Libya where gadhafi gave up the weapons and a decade later hes taken from power and killed. It raises the bigger question about any potential negotiations here, how there could be a middle ground if the goal from the u. S. Is denuclearrization and a north korean regime saying look what happened top gadhafi. There are people in the administration and a lot of korea watchers who there can envision a process and it involves reaching some kind of a general statement and then north korea blows up some icbms, it freezes production of Nuclear Materials. It stops Nuclear Missile test and then over time sanctions. And the main thing is were not shooting missiles at each other but its better than where we are now. But the problem is john bolton is dead set against that and you know, look, at the end of the day, bolton has a perfect record of getting things wrong over the last 20 years on iraq, on iran, on north korea. In the case of north korea in 2002, he helped kill the agreed framework which had halted north korean production of Nuclear Materials and he seems to have, my reading of this is that he killed this pompeo outreach possibly by misleading the president what north korea was going to do and likewise, in 2003, 2004, he killed an earlier european deal with iran and now earlier this month, he helped kill the latest iran deal. So i think that john bolton is hes hit the trifecta of getting every major thing wrong. Now hes indeed doing it again. Sumi, from the north korean perspective, do you have a sense what the north korean regimes read is on trump . Do they think they know how hes approaching this, why, what his game is here . Well, its hard for any of us to have figured it out. Im not sure if North Koreans have figured it out. Certainly the last Statement Released by north korea personally praising trump shows me they learned a few lessons how to deal with trump. I think trump canceling the summit did kind of surprise the North Koreans because theyre not used to u. S. President acting this way. They did get away with all this kind of antics before. I think that did kind of surprise the North Koreans. Theyre still trying to figure out how trump works like the rest of us. We also we have breaking news here. Its not on this topic but on the topic of trump and the russia investigation. One of our guests has broken this news. Jonathan lemire on set breaking the news Rudy Giuliani telling him trumps legal team wants a briefing on the classified information shared with law maeshs and may take it to the Justice Department as part of an effort to scuttle the probe. Giuliani telling the a. P. If the spying was inappropriate we may have an entirely illegitimate investigation telling thissing to john lemire. Thats right. I spoke to the former mayor a couple hours ago. He says that the white house, these two meetings unprecedented meetings yesterday in which the classified informants or in the president s parlance a spy who had contacts with the Trump Campaign to determine their relationship with any russian officials, they want a similar briefing or some sort of readout that the lawmakers got yesterday. And that has raised concerns that that would give them information that perhaps would impact the president who is if not a target certainly the subject of this probe but what giuliani told me is they want to take the information and if they deem it damaging, deem that it was collected inappropriately, they would take this to the Justice Department and make it part of their case why this probe shouldnt be here, that it was founded on illet means founded on information from this spy in their terminology that they think shouldnt have had access and jim comeys memos which they believe were illegally leaked and they would making that case, probably Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein that maybe this be probe should be halted in its tracks. News reported by Jonathan Lemire. Thank you for joining us. Nicholas kristof and sue mi terry, as well. Coming up, a milestone moment in the me, too movement as Harvey Weinstein is handcuffed, arrested and charged with wrap. Scores of women accused him of Sexual Misconduct accusations that triggers a global campaign. Plus, more and more states are teaming up to department of Electoral College when it comes to picking a president. Is there anything to the talk that the blue wave some democrats have been talking about this fall is maybe receding. Ill break down what we know and maybe what we dont know. And new developments in the russia investigation which continues despite President Trumps esattempt to distract from it. This is hardball where the action is. A bachelor. And thats how he intended to keep it. From it. This is hardball where the action is. Attempt to distract from it. This is hardball where the action is. Attempt to distract fm it. This is hardball where the action is. For this new stepdad, its promising to care for his daughter as if shes his own. Every way we look out for those we love is an act of mutuality. We can help with the financial ones. Learn more or find an advisor at massmutual. 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Com in a watershed moment for the me, too movement, disgraced producer Harvey Weinstein was arraigned today on Sexual Assault charges. This comes months after a slew of allegations of misconduct brought down his career and sparked a National Reckoning on Sexual Misconduct. He was arrested, handcuffed and arraigned in new york on allegations from two different women. He faces first degree rape, third degree braip and commission of a criminal sexual act. He has consistently denied engaging in any nonconsensual sex. His attorney spoke to reporters and said his client plans to plead not guilty. My job is not to defend behavior. My job is to defend something that is criminal behavior. Bad behavior mr. Weinstein did not invent the casting couch in hollywood. To the extent that there is bad behavior in that industry, that is not what this is about. Bad behavior is not on trial in this case. Its only if you intentionally committed a criminal act and mr. Weinstein vigorously denies that. He is now free after posting is million in bail, surrendering his passport and agreeing to wear an electronic monitor. At least 95 women accused him of misconduct ranging from harassment top rape over 40 years. Rose magowan had this message for him today. No more tears. Not because of you. Not anymore. Today, today rerejoice. Tomorrow will be hard again. But today we can have a moment for all of us. This is for all of us who have been told we are nothing. And for more im joined by legal analyst katie phang and Michelle Goldberg from the New York Times. Katie, 95 different stories that have emerged publicly here about weinstein. Lets be clear, what is it exactly hes been charged with here . Which ones do they think theyve got him on and whats the penalty hes looking at if hes convicted here . So theres one criminal indictment brought by the grand jury against weinstein for two separate victims. For one victim, there are two counts. One first degree charge of rape, onethird degree charge of rape and for the second victim, its the forcible compulsion oral sex charge being brought against weinstein. For he for any of the first degree charges which is the last one we discussed its anywhere from 5 to 25 years fr

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