Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20190701

Mr. President. Homeless living in shelters. You need to follow the president. Point of order, mr. President. Point of order, mr. President. Point of order tonight im going to talk to that state senator there who was shouted down by her republican colleague as she defended a program for the states poorest people. We begin tonight with what a difference a debate makes. The first democratic debate in its history now, a new poll out just today, shows significant gains for senator Kamala Harris. Also for Elizabeth Warren. And bad news for joe biden. The cnn poll found the former Vice President maintaining his frontrunner status, but down at 22 . Down ten points since may. California senator harris has evolved to second place, up nine points for her. Senator Elizabeth Warren gained in her case eight points to come in third and overtaking senator Bernie Sanders who went down four points. Kamala harris rise comes from a breakout challenge to biden for his comments over working with segregationist senators and his opposition to federallymandated bussing back in the 70s. Senator cory booker who also criticized bidens comments took issue with what biden said friday about africanamerican teenagers. Here goes biden again. You got to recognize that kid wearing a hoodie may very well be the next poet laureate and not a gangbanger. As a young black guy in america who was followed and surveilled, faced that indignity and even the danger of that, being perceived to be a threat, again, this is just another example of just conversations or lessons that joe biden shouldnt have to learn. Im joined by donna edwards, former maryland congresswoman and Washington Post columnist. And a great one at that. Who am i to say . But you are a great writer. I think im giddy about politics today. Because it shows nights matter, donna. People watch. They pay attention. They make judgements. They change their minds. It shows theres lights at home and people are home and paying attention. Well, thats right. This was the beginning and joe biden got punched hard, and the question now is how hes going to rebound or whether he can. Look, there are two candidates whats your bet . Was it one off for her, one down for him or a trend setting evening . Im not betting, but, look, i think there are two candidates who are rising, Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris, and there are two candidates who are falling, joe biden and Bernie Sanders. And now the question is, you know, getting from now to the next debate in the fall who the survivors are. Cornell, lets talk about bernie for having some fun here. He was like Christopher Loyd the other night in back to the future. Waving his arms around, talking about revolution. Where were going, we wont need roads. What are we talking about . Whereas biden looked like he was out of his element. To have all this diversity around him. All this competition. All this modern quick talk. He wasnt really ready for it. Well, its surprising that he wasnt really ready for it because i cant believe that he wasnt better prepped because his response to harris hitting him, he looked shocked and he actually raised his voice at her. I was sitting there in the studio and i couldnt believe that a veteran like this wasnt prepared for that. So he completely fumbled and got hit hard. He didnt look at her, by the way. He looked down. He didnt look at her at all. Which is a problem for a woman. He visibly raised his voice. A nono. What you should never do. He sort of lost his cool. She clearly shook him up. Whats interesting here is the numbers have tightened. He still has a, what, 12 or 13point lead among africanamericans and a larger lead amongst seniors. I predict that that number among africanamericans is going to continue to shrink. I actually dont have any money, but im betting that harris over the next month or so will, in fact, take the lead here. Thats the norm, howard. Where one person knocks another person down and a third party benefits. Yeah. Thats often the case. And you can tell when the field is this big who ultimately is going to benefit from the shakeup, but there is no doubt, the bottom line in this, and ive watched, i dont know, ive covered maybe 100 debates in my distinguished veteran career with nbc and msnbc. I dont think ive its rare that ive seen one that dramatic, that you could see right in that moment yeah. The politics changing. Yeah. About whether Kamala Harris is ultimately the beneficiary, you dont know. But what you do know is that joe biden, if not in freefall is in a slow leak situation here right now, and how he turns that around, i dont know. By the way, getting the endorsement of the black woman mayor of atlanta is impressive, but is not necessarily going to staunch the flow. I dont think. What i liked about the other night was full disclosure, the mayor is my client. Okay. And i think they needed her did they time this for later . Did they hold it back . I think they had to pull her out now to stop the bleeding. What i find great, and i hope the audience watching this right now live likes about it, what we thought was going on in the spin room, what we thought was going on covering it down there, what we saw at close range, what the candidates seemed to know, what this major main bar reporters like dan ball at the Washington Post all saw the same thing. This poll shows the people at home saw exactly the same thing. So were all on one page. This thing about fake news is bs because the polls reflected exactly what the best straight reporters and the opinion People Like Us saw with biden had a terrible night. Kamala came on like gangbusters. Ill go back to don on this. She had destroyed brett kavanaugh. Took apart bill barr, who is one tough customer. Why didnt biden see he was the third strike . Why didnt he know she was going to do exactly the same thing to him . You know what . I think a lot of people watched before, the wednesday night debate. The civil night. The civil night debate and maybe they thought it was going to be the same thing, everyone traveling in their lane and just answering questions, wrong, wrong, and wrong. I think in the debate coming up, someones going to want to distinguish themselves and theyre going to try to figure out how to do it. Now Kamala Harris has to demonstrate not just that she can give a punch but she can take one. We havent seen that yet. How do you go after someone who is really only a firstterm senator. Do you go at her from the left or the right . You go after her record. None of these campaigns are paying me, so i shouldnt be giving this advice. You go after her record. Theyre going to have to do some inoculating on her record. Joe almost went at it on stage because hes a defender, shes a prosecutor. There is a lot to go after in a prosecution office, especially when youre talking about a liberal progressive base of the party. People to her left would have to do it. Who is to her left . I think a lot of them actually are to her left. On criminal justice . On criminal justice issues. I think her weakness will be criminal justice, on the criminal justice. I think the argument, youve put away a lot of young black men in jail and how do you how do you, you know, account for that . Right. Thats the possibility. Everybodys worrying about the blowback. I dont see any blowback yet on Kamala Harris. Okay. But youre right. It could be on that by the way, out in california, the people ive been talking to out there, her record as attorney general is mixed, not only on race but in general on getting things done. The rap on her out there was great on tv, not necessarily getting stuff done. Well, look for Elizabeth Warren in this because there will you see somebody who slides up and who has had a steady progress, you know, week by week. Look for Elizabeth Warren. I think this is 2004 where you saw a lot of different candidates, clark, curry, dean, Joe Lieberman was in the lead for a long time. It comes back to the notion of sequence and dynamics. Come next iowa, its iowa. Its not south carolina. Its iowa. White iowa and Elizabeth Warren seems sort of midwestern in a way, even though shes from massachusetts now. She seems oklahoma a little bit. New hampshire. Goes at home and wins in New Hampshire. Then she goes. Then the africanamerican voter is thinking Elizabeth Warren is doing really well. Am i going to bring kamala into this or am i going to stick . The dynamic changes from 2008, said time and time again, its not a national race. Its a state by state race. The dynamics will change state by state. If she does well in New Hampshire and does well in iowa, i think the africanamerican voters will be looking at her differently in south carolina. Elizabeth warren started out her campaign talking about black talking to black voters, especially talking to black women. Shes smart on this. So i think, you know, there is a lot of time between now and certainly the fall and well, heres a little weirdness. During last thursdays debate, donald trump jr. Weighed in on twitter. He retweeted a post from another person questioning harris ancestry, saying shes not an shes not an american black. He later deleted the tweet. Hmm. Several of harris democratic rivals rallied to her defense, condemning the attack as racist, including biden. The same forces of hatred rooted in birtherism that questioned Barack Obamas american citizenship and even his racial identity are now being used against senator Kamala Harris. Its disgusting and we have to call it out when we see it. Racism has no place in america. Donna . Thats not a winner in the democratic party. You cannot slice and dice. Who is pushing this crap . You know, look, clearly its the right, but you have the president why are they trying to do this . Are they afraid she the winner now . Because they know that its important for them in order for them to win to divide people. They can slice and dice black folk. They can slice and dice black folk. Theyre going to do that. But heres the thing. Any of us who are black, i am, we know our family has a lot of history written all over the map and across, you know, diaspora. This really falls flat and especially among democrats. I was thinking of the fact that her father is from jamaica, still part of the slave trade. He didnt take a vacation to go to jamaica from africa. He was dragged over there. No one questions that sidney was africanamerican. This thing about her father is jamaican. Chris, the game on the trump side aside from trolling for the sake of trolling is that they think its good to force the democrats to talk about race a lot. I think they want that discussion. They want the division. They want it to seem like an argument in the party of minorities. Thats how they think and thats what theyre doing. I dont think im black enough to talk on this issue. Sarcasm. I got to tell you something cornell, dont ever assume people get sarcasm on television. You got to be so careful. Or irony. President trump put out his take on harris debate performance and confrontation with joe biden on saturday at a News Conference in japan. I think she was given too much credit for what she did. It wasnt that outstanding. And i think probably he was hit harder than he should have been hit, biden. Do you think Kamala Harris would be a tough opponent for you, given what you saw in that debate . You never know who is going to be tough. You never know. One that you think is going to be tough turns out to be not much. He is i dont know what to say when he puts on these performances, you know, hes obviously thinking in real time and hes just enjoying the fact that the focus the whole worlds watching him analyze the success of Kamala Harris. Hes playing race. Chris, hes playing race there because hes saying she was given more credit than she deserved. Oh, yeah. And she hit the white guy too hard. Come on. It doesnt take it doesnt take a race translator to see what donald trump is doing. This is what hes done his entire career. But hes afraid of her. Going back to central park five. You name it. Its what he does. Thats how he won, divide and conquer. By the way, on that sad, tragic note, he accused the he said the five kids who were picked up in the central park five accused of rape should be executed for being accused, hes been accused of rape one block from central park. Has anybody thought about that little irony . How much does an ad in the New York Times cost these days . I remember the ad. I think ill put one out. Its a horrible thing to even talk about. Thats hoscrrible. What he was going to do to the kids never convicted. 20plus i think to this point. Rape or sexual assault. Im sure he gives himself really high grades for being donald trump. Thank you, donna edwards. My friend howard, youre seeing through the veil of horror here on trump is pretty good. I didnt catch that. She was being mean to the white guy. It wouldnt be the first time i catch something you didnt. Keep looking, though. Does the presumed, by the way, leader of the free world, im talking about donald trump, know what liberal democracy means . Does he know what the free world means . Trumps bizarre answer when asked about it left many people wondering. This is something you learn in high school, what is liberal democracy. Its not worried about the voting patterns in berkeley, california. What is he talking about. Plus, take your children to work day. Ivanka trump, the diplomat, her awkward encounter with World Leaders goes viral and why she was front and center in the g20 group project. He thinks hes brought a royal family to the world. And from pennsylvania, a nasty bout of partisan politics. Catch this little bout. Im getting mr. President and im working toward my t ged. This is your job. Do your job, mr. President. You are not following the rules of the senate. I am scared of what will happen to me when i dont have money to live anymore. Liberal democracy in action. Anyway, today and tonight on hardball, the democratic lawmaker who stood her ground as a republican colleague tried to shut her down joins us live tonight. That woman, that state senator, much more ahead. Stay with us. Ahead. Stay wh itus you might take something for your heart. Or joints. But do you take something for your brain. With an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in Clinical Trials to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. Keith used to be great to roadtrip with. But since he bought his house. Are you going 45 . Uh, yes. 55 is a suggestion. Its kind of like driving with his dad. What a sign, huh . Terry, can you take a selfie of me . Take a selfie of you . Yeah. Can you make it look like im holding it . He did show us how to bundle home and auto at progressive. Com and save a bunch of money. Oh, a plaque. He later navigated northward, leaving. Progressive cant protect you from becoming your parents. But we can protect your home and auto when you bundle with us. But we can protect your home and auto hey i live on my own now ive got xfinity, because i like to live life in the fast lane. Unlike my parents. You rambling about xfinity again . Youre so cute when you get excited. Anyways. Ive got their app right here, i can troubleshoot. I can schedule a time for them to call me back, its great you have our number programmed in . Ya i dont even know your phone anymore. Excuse me . what . I dont know your phone number. Aw well. He doesnt know our phone number you have our fax number, obviously. Todays xfinity service. Simple. Easy. Awesome. Ill pass. Welcome back to hardball. Fresh off the g20 summit over in japan, donald trump became the first sitting u. S. President to set foot inside north korea. Accompanied by north korean dictator kim jongun, the president stepped over the dmz after proposing an impromptu visit in a tweet a couple of days prior. Well, that photoop was followed by a meeting in which kim agreed to restart the Nuclear Talks that broke down last february. Well, today the president tweeted about chairman kim saying we had a great meeting. He looked really well and very healthy. Our teams will be meeting to work on some solutions to very longterm and persistent problems. No rush. But i am sure we will ultimately get there. Well, this comes as the New York Times reports the administration is weighing whether to accept a deal that would limit north Koreas Nuclear arsenal, limit it. The concept would amount to a nuclear freeze, one that essentially enshrining the status quo and tacitly accepting the north as a Nuclear Power. Something Administration Officials have often said they would never stand for. Trumps National Security adviser john bolton said a freeze had never been discussed by his team. Separately in a revealing exchange peter baker of the New York Times, who is often with us here, asked the president whether he agrees with Vladimir Putins statement that westernstyle liberalism is obsolete. Do you agree with him that westernstyle liberalism as its been defined over the postwar period is now obsolete and no longer relevant to todays world . Well, again, he may feel that way. He sees whats going on, and i guess if you look at whats happening in los angeles where its so sad to look and whats happening in San Francisco and a couple of other cities, which are run by an Extraordinary Group of liberal people, i dont know what theyre thinking. I dont know what he was thinking. We were all told as we grew up there is something called western liberalism, the free world. It means having elections, rights for the citizens of that country. He was talking about voting patterns among the Kamala Harris<\/a>. Also for Elizabeth Warren<\/a>. And bad news for joe biden. The cnn poll found the former Vice President<\/a> maintaining his frontrunner status, but down at 22 . Down ten points since may. California senator harris has evolved to second place, up nine points for her. Senator Elizabeth Warren<\/a> gained in her case eight points to come in third and overtaking senator Bernie Sanders<\/a> who went down four points. Kamala harris rise comes from a breakout challenge to biden for his comments over working with segregationist senators and his opposition to federallymandated bussing back in the 70s. Senator cory booker who also criticized bidens comments took issue with what biden said friday about africanamerican teenagers. Here goes biden again. You got to recognize that kid wearing a hoodie may very well be the next poet laureate and not a gangbanger. As a young black guy in america who was followed and surveilled, faced that indignity and even the danger of that, being perceived to be a threat, again, this is just another example of just conversations or lessons that joe biden shouldnt have to learn. Im joined by donna edwards, former maryland congresswoman and Washington Post<\/a> columnist. And a great one at that. Who am i to say . But you are a great writer. I think im giddy about politics today. Because it shows nights matter, donna. People watch. They pay attention. They make judgements. They change their minds. It shows theres lights at home and people are home and paying attention. Well, thats right. This was the beginning and joe biden got punched hard, and the question now is how hes going to rebound or whether he can. Look, there are two candidates whats your bet . Was it one off for her, one down for him or a trend setting evening . Im not betting, but, look, i think there are two candidates who are rising, Elizabeth Warren<\/a> and Kamala Harris<\/a>, and there are two candidates who are falling, joe biden and Bernie Sanders<\/a>. And now the question is, you know, getting from now to the next debate in the fall who the survivors are. Cornell, lets talk about bernie for having some fun here. He was like Christopher Loyd<\/a> the other night in back to the future. Waving his arms around, talking about revolution. Where were going, we wont need roads. What are we talking about . Whereas biden looked like he was out of his element. To have all this diversity around him. All this competition. All this modern quick talk. He wasnt really ready for it. Well, its surprising that he wasnt really ready for it because i cant believe that he wasnt better prepped because his response to harris hitting him, he looked shocked and he actually raised his voice at her. I was sitting there in the studio and i couldnt believe that a veteran like this wasnt prepared for that. So he completely fumbled and got hit hard. He didnt look at her, by the way. He looked down. He didnt look at her at all. Which is a problem for a woman. He visibly raised his voice. A nono. What you should never do. He sort of lost his cool. She clearly shook him up. Whats interesting here is the numbers have tightened. He still has a, what, 12 or 13point lead among africanamericans and a larger lead amongst seniors. I predict that that number among africanamericans is going to continue to shrink. I actually dont have any money, but im betting that harris over the next month or so will, in fact, take the lead here. Thats the norm, howard. Where one person knocks another person down and a third party benefits. Yeah. Thats often the case. And you can tell when the field is this big who ultimately is going to benefit from the shakeup, but there is no doubt, the bottom line in this, and ive watched, i dont know, ive covered maybe 100 debates in my distinguished veteran career with nbc and msnbc. I dont think ive its rare that ive seen one that dramatic, that you could see right in that moment yeah. The politics changing. Yeah. About whether Kamala Harris<\/a> is ultimately the beneficiary, you dont know. But what you do know is that joe biden, if not in freefall is in a slow leak situation here right now, and how he turns that around, i dont know. By the way, getting the endorsement of the black woman mayor of atlanta is impressive, but is not necessarily going to staunch the flow. I dont think. What i liked about the other night was full disclosure, the mayor is my client. Okay. And i think they needed her did they time this for later . Did they hold it back . I think they had to pull her out now to stop the bleeding. What i find great, and i hope the audience watching this right now live likes about it, what we thought was going on in the spin room, what we thought was going on covering it down there, what we saw at close range, what the candidates seemed to know, what this major main bar reporters like dan ball at the Washington Post<\/a> all saw the same thing. This poll shows the people at home saw exactly the same thing. So were all on one page. This thing about fake news is bs because the polls reflected exactly what the best straight reporters and the opinion People Like Us<\/a> saw with biden had a terrible night. Kamala came on like gangbusters. Ill go back to don on this. She had destroyed brett kavanaugh. Took apart bill barr, who is one tough customer. Why didnt biden see he was the third strike . Why didnt he know she was going to do exactly the same thing to him . You know what . I think a lot of people watched before, the wednesday night debate. The civil night. The civil night debate and maybe they thought it was going to be the same thing, everyone traveling in their lane and just answering questions, wrong, wrong, and wrong. I think in the debate coming up, someones going to want to distinguish themselves and theyre going to try to figure out how to do it. Now Kamala Harris<\/a> has to demonstrate not just that she can give a punch but she can take one. We havent seen that yet. How do you go after someone who is really only a firstterm senator. Do you go at her from the left or the right . You go after her record. None of these campaigns are paying me, so i shouldnt be giving this advice. You go after her record. Theyre going to have to do some inoculating on her record. Joe almost went at it on stage because hes a defender, shes a prosecutor. There is a lot to go after in a prosecution office, especially when youre talking about a liberal progressive base of the party. People to her left would have to do it. Who is to her left . I think a lot of them actually are to her left. On criminal justice . On criminal justice issues. I think her weakness will be criminal justice, on the criminal justice. I think the argument, youve put away a lot of young black men in jail and how do you how do you, you know, account for that . Right. Thats the possibility. Everybodys worrying about the blowback. I dont see any blowback yet on Kamala Harris<\/a>. Okay. But youre right. It could be on that by the way, out in california, the people ive been talking to out there, her record as attorney general is mixed, not only on race but in general on getting things done. The rap on her out there was great on tv, not necessarily getting stuff done. Well, look for Elizabeth Warren<\/a> in this because there will you see somebody who slides up and who has had a steady progress, you know, week by week. Look for Elizabeth Warren<\/a>. I think this is 2004 where you saw a lot of different candidates, clark, curry, dean, Joe Lieberman<\/a> was in the lead for a long time. It comes back to the notion of sequence and dynamics. Come next iowa, its iowa. Its not south carolina. Its iowa. White iowa and Elizabeth Warren<\/a> seems sort of midwestern in a way, even though shes from massachusetts now. She seems oklahoma a little bit. New hampshire. Goes at home and wins in New Hampshire<\/a>. Then she goes. Then the africanamerican voter is thinking Elizabeth Warren<\/a> is doing really well. Am i going to bring kamala into this or am i going to stick . The dynamic changes from 2008, said time and time again, its not a national race. Its a state by state race. The dynamics will change state by state. If she does well in New Hampshire<\/a> and does well in iowa, i think the africanamerican voters will be looking at her differently in south carolina. Elizabeth warren started out her campaign talking about black talking to black voters, especially talking to black women. Shes smart on this. So i think, you know, there is a lot of time between now and certainly the fall and well, heres a little weirdness. During last thursdays debate, donald trump jr. Weighed in on twitter. He retweeted a post from another person questioning harris ancestry, saying shes not an shes not an american black. He later deleted the tweet. Hmm. Several of harris democratic rivals rallied to her defense, condemning the attack as racist, including biden. The same forces of hatred rooted in birtherism that questioned Barack Obamas<\/a> american citizenship and even his racial identity are now being used against senator Kamala Harris<\/a>. Its disgusting and we have to call it out when we see it. Racism has no place in america. Donna . Thats not a winner in the democratic party. You cannot slice and dice. Who is pushing this crap . You know, look, clearly its the right, but you have the president why are they trying to do this . Are they afraid she the winner now . Because they know that its important for them in order for them to win to divide people. They can slice and dice black folk. They can slice and dice black folk. Theyre going to do that. But heres the thing. Any of us who are black, i am, we know our family has a lot of history written all over the map and across, you know, diaspora. This really falls flat and especially among democrats. I was thinking of the fact that her father is from jamaica, still part of the slave trade. He didnt take a vacation to go to jamaica from africa. He was dragged over there. No one questions that sidney was africanamerican. This thing about her father is jamaican. Chris, the game on the trump side aside from trolling for the sake of trolling is that they think its good to force the democrats to talk about race a lot. I think they want that discussion. They want the division. They want it to seem like an argument in the party of minorities. Thats how they think and thats what theyre doing. I dont think im black enough to talk on this issue. Sarcasm. I got to tell you something cornell, dont ever assume people get sarcasm on television. You got to be so careful. Or irony. President trump put out his take on harris debate performance and confrontation with joe biden on saturday at a News Conference<\/a> in japan. I think she was given too much credit for what she did. It wasnt that outstanding. And i think probably he was hit harder than he should have been hit, biden. Do you think Kamala Harris<\/a> would be a tough opponent for you, given what you saw in that debate . You never know who is going to be tough. You never know. One that you think is going to be tough turns out to be not much. He is i dont know what to say when he puts on these performances, you know, hes obviously thinking in real time and hes just enjoying the fact that the focus the whole worlds watching him analyze the success of Kamala Harris<\/a>. Hes playing race. Chris, hes playing race there because hes saying she was given more credit than she deserved. Oh, yeah. And she hit the white guy too hard. Come on. It doesnt take it doesnt take a race translator to see what donald trump is doing. This is what hes done his entire career. But hes afraid of her. Going back to central park five. You name it. Its what he does. Thats how he won, divide and conquer. By the way, on that sad, tragic note, he accused the he said the five kids who were picked up in the central park five accused of rape should be executed for being accused, hes been accused of rape one block from central park. Has anybody thought about that little irony . How much does an ad in the New York Times<\/a> cost these days . I remember the ad. I think ill put one out. Its a horrible thing to even talk about. Thats hoscrrible. What he was going to do to the kids never convicted. 20plus i think to this point. Rape or sexual assault. Im sure he gives himself really high grades for being donald trump. Thank you, donna edwards. My friend howard, youre seeing through the veil of horror here on trump is pretty good. I didnt catch that. She was being mean to the white guy. It wouldnt be the first time i catch something you didnt. Keep looking, though. Does the presumed, by the way, leader of the free world, im talking about donald trump, know what liberal democracy means . Does he know what the free world means . Trumps bizarre answer when asked about it left many people wondering. This is something you learn in high school, what is liberal democracy. Its not worried about the voting patterns in berkeley, california. What is he talking about. Plus, take your children to work day. Ivanka trump, the diplomat, her awkward encounter with World Leaders<\/a> goes viral and why she was front and center in the g20 group project. He thinks hes brought a royal family to the world. And from pennsylvania, a nasty bout of partisan politics. Catch this little bout. Im getting mr. President and im working toward my t ged. This is your job. Do your job, mr. President. You are not following the rules of the senate. I am scared of what will happen to me when i dont have money to live anymore. Liberal democracy in action. Anyway, today and tonight on hardball, the democratic lawmaker who stood her ground as a republican colleague tried to shut her down joins us live tonight. That woman, that state senator, much more ahead. Stay with us. Ahead. Stay wh itus you might take something for your heart. Or joints. But do you take something for your brain. With an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in Clinical Trials<\/a> to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. Keith used to be great to roadtrip with. But since he bought his house. Are you going 45 . Uh, yes. 55 is a suggestion. Its kind of like driving with his dad. What a sign, huh . Terry, can you take a selfie of me . Take a selfie of you . Yeah. Can you make it look like im holding it . He did show us how to bundle home and auto at progressive. Com and save a bunch of money. Oh, a plaque. He later navigated northward, leaving. Progressive cant protect you from becoming your parents. But we can protect your home and auto when you bundle with us. But we can protect your home and auto hey i live on my own now ive got xfinity, because i like to live life in the fast lane. Unlike my parents. You rambling about xfinity again . Youre so cute when you get excited. Anyways. Ive got their app right here, i can troubleshoot. I can schedule a time for them to call me back, its great you have our number programmed in . Ya i dont even know your phone anymore. Excuse me . what . I dont know your phone number. Aw well. He doesnt know our phone number you have our fax number, obviously. Todays xfinity service. Simple. Easy. Awesome. Ill pass. Welcome back to hardball. Fresh off the g20 summit over in japan, donald trump became the first sitting u. S. President to set foot inside north korea. Accompanied by north korean dictator kim jongun, the president stepped over the dmz after proposing an impromptu visit in a tweet a couple of days prior. Well, that photoop was followed by a meeting in which kim agreed to restart the Nuclear Talks<\/a> that broke down last february. Well, today the president tweeted about chairman kim saying we had a great meeting. He looked really well and very healthy. Our teams will be meeting to work on some solutions to very longterm and persistent problems. No rush. But i am sure we will ultimately get there. Well, this comes as the New York Times<\/a> reports the administration is weighing whether to accept a deal that would limit north Koreas Nuclear<\/a> arsenal, limit it. The concept would amount to a nuclear freeze, one that essentially enshrining the status quo and tacitly accepting the north as a Nuclear Power<\/a>. Something Administration Officials<\/a> have often said they would never stand for. Trumps National Security<\/a> adviser john bolton said a freeze had never been discussed by his team. Separately in a revealing exchange peter baker of the New York Times<\/a>, who is often with us here, asked the president whether he agrees with Vladimir Putins<\/a> statement that westernstyle liberalism is obsolete. Do you agree with him that westernstyle liberalism as its been defined over the postwar period is now obsolete and no longer relevant to todays world . Well, again, he may feel that way. He sees whats going on, and i guess if you look at whats happening in los angeles where its so sad to look and whats happening in San Francisco<\/a> and a couple of other cities, which are run by an Extraordinary Group<\/a> of liberal people, i dont know what theyre thinking. I dont know what he was thinking. We were all told as we grew up there is something called western liberalism, the free world. It means having elections, rights for the citizens of that country. He was talking about voting patterns among the Democratic Liberal Party<\/a> in california. The problem is that putins statement and bakers question were not referring to the west coast of the u. S. In some partisan way, but to the western countries of north america and europe. Likewise, putin wasnt talking about liberal people. He was criticizing the historic tradition of classical liberalism that gave rise to democratic forms of government. Im joined now by my panel. Gene, i was floored by that. Mmmhmm. And maybe went to wharton and studied statistics and accounting courses, but he didnt ever learn that liberalism, refers to democratic liberalism, the whole tradition going back to the enlightenment. No, he skipped poli sci 101 apparently. He slept through that. Why did he think Vladimir Putin<\/a> was talking about the voting patterns in berkeley . Because trump. You know, what do we know about him . We know he doesnt read. We know he doesnt know history. And this is just maybe the most glaring example of that. But im not sure we should be that surprised anymore. It was a stunning thing for a president of the United States<\/a> to say, to not get in that setting. But he didnt get it. Totally didnt get it. Jill, we often take pride, i still do, the idea of the leader of the free world. Still setting the standard for freedom, all our freedoms under the constitution and the bill of rights. Thats who we are at our best, were the standard. He doesnt seem to understand the leader of the free world means leader of freedom, of liberal governments. You know, he is a very unusual american president. As we saw him on the world stage there with fellow leaders of the g20, who is he standing next to in that big photograph . Justin trudeau from canada is there. Theresa may is there, Angela Merkel<\/a> is there. Who is the president hobnobbing with . Its Vladimir Putin<\/a>. Its, you know, the crown prince of saudi arabia. Refusing to answer questions about jamal khashoggi. Those are the people that he feels the strongest ties to on that stage. Yes . You know, i thought it was America First<\/a> and we always sort of choose americas side. I guess its really russia first. Have we seen the situation where donald trump sides against Vladimir Putin<\/a> . Not yet. Western liberalism hes on the same partisan side as Vladimir Putin<\/a>. Anyway, in touting his relationship with kim jongun on the other hand, President Trump<\/a> said the Obama Administration<\/a> had sought meetings with the north Korean Leader<\/a> but were rebuffed. President obama wanted to meet and chairman kim would not meet him. The Obama Administration<\/a> was begging for a meeting. They were begging for meetings constantly. And chairman kim would not meet with him. Well, several obama Administration Officials<\/a> have since denied trumps claim right there, including former National Security<\/a> adviser susan rice who said at the risk of stating the obvious, this is horse blank. Let me ask you about this, john, first of all, i dont know my view is im a worst, ambiguous in my thinking and ambivalent. As churchill would say, jawjaw is better than warwar. Its always good to be talking to the other guy. We want to be careful here. There is nothing wrong in trying to engage in a diplomatic effort with north korea. We want to stop their Nuclear Weapons<\/a> program. Theyre still building Nuclear Weapons<\/a> and ballistic missiles. Theyre building the capability to hit other countries right now. Including us. They havent stopped that for a minute while Donald Trumps<\/a> been president. I dont fault him for wanting to engage north korea. I fault him for giving away all u. S. Prestige and getting nothing to show for it. When the last dictator of east germany, i found out later like we all found out later, his greatest dream was to be accepted the the white house. As much as they saw on their side of the world against our side, they looked up to our side. They knew west germany was better than east germany and america was better than russia. They were sure as hell about that. Its a chilling thing for a leader to go in that door. Does kim want acceptance in the world by coming in the white house doors . He wants legitimacy. He wants to be seen as equal among the Nuclear Power<\/a>s. Hes not just going for south korea. He wants to see the other Nuclear Weapon<\/a> states, china, russia, the United States<\/a>. For what . So he can intimidate the south . Or is he willing to walk through the door, jill, world trade agreements. Is he going to start trading in the world, joining the world . I think those are all important questions to ask. If he does then its a break for us because he really wants something that is worthwhile for the world. The president doesnt seem to understand the very fact of meeting with him. He extended an invitation standing next to kim. Why not have you come to the white house. Giving away all the marbles. Well, hes giving away that. Its, you know, this is the one area in which i actually think that trump Foreign Policy<\/a> has been more realistic. Yeah. In that it takes as an unstated given that north korea is a Nuclear Power<\/a> now. Yeah. It is. I dont want it to be. I hate the fact that it is. But theyre not going to give up their Nuclear Weapons<\/a>. Maybe you can negotiate a freeze and some sort of cap on it. But were not negotiating a freeze with north korea. The administration is negotiating amongst itself. Absolutely. John bolton saying all up front. Donald trump digitering back and forth. I think we got to continue this conversation. This is a really good question whether we can get anything done from this guy. Anyway, the president s daughter ivanka trump took on a very public role on the trip to the east. One g20 video has gone viral showing trumps daughter with british Prime Minister<\/a> theresa may, emma control, Justin Trudeau<\/a> and the director of the International Monetary<\/a> fund christi Christine Christine<\/a> leguard. A lot of people start listening who wouldnt otherwise listen. And the same on the defense side in terms of the whole sort of its been very male dominant. Did you ever go to a party where everybody else knew each other and you feel out of it . The Washington Post<\/a> described it as lagardes impatient sideeye as ivanka trump interjects in what appears to have been a back and forth between macron and may the presumptionness of that family i blame on him. He seems to tell his son, his two sons and his daughter that they are somehow part of this power well, they are. In the world. Ivanka trump went on to the summit. Shes in the group photo. Its astonishing. She has no qualification to do any of this. And accordingly but there she is. Look. Right out there. You see how she was treated by the other World Leaders<\/a>. As if what the hell is she doing here . What is this, anastasia . Is this the lost rom roam she did try to duel her way into that conversation. God forbid you should actually be an expert. Aoc went after her today on the democratic progressive left. Saw it and said this is ridiculous. What was interesting is she had actually been inviting to that little talking point thing that happened before a summit that she had been invited to, which shows you the extent the other leaders recognize the way the president wants his children to be treated and used as a tool. All fits together. A monarchist notion he has of the american presidency. It was an accusation. When he won in the electoral college, he owns it now. He can share it any way he wants, with his kids, like a monarch. The president does have the right to choose his advisers, hes just chosen advisers who arent very good at their jobs. Arent you kind . We want a little tough. Anyway, i think its ridiculous and ive been calling it that since the day he started giving jobs to his kids. Its been a problem from the beginning. It will always be a problem. Thats why nepotism is bad. Thank you. I had to give you the one about western democracy. Anyway, thank you. 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So, maybe its time to unthink what you think you think about premium fuel. Shell vpower nitro premium gasoline. Its fuel for thought. Welcome back to hardball. The Trump Administration<\/a> has called reports of poor conditions for migrants at border facilities unsubstantiated. But now nbc news has exclusively obtained internal reports from the office of the Inspector General<\/a> for the department of Homeland Security<\/a> warning about the consequence of those terrible conditions at an el paso border station. There it is. Those documents from nearly a month ago raised concerns about overcrowding, pronged detentions, high incidents of illness and concerns that rising tensions could turn violent. In one report documented 155 adults being confined in a cell built for 35. Additionally, detainees had limited access to showers and were wearing soiled clothing for weeks. Last week the act the secretary of Homeland Security<\/a> pushed back on reports made by several lawyers that customs and Border Protection<\/a> facilities were leaving children in similarly inhuman decisions in an overcrowded detention facility in clint, texas. Lets look. Unsubstantiated allegations last week regarding a sickle Border Patrol<\/a> facility in clint, texas, created a sensation. Contrary to the reporting, children in custody at the border are receiving access to key supplies, including toothbrushes, appropriate meals, blankets, showers as soon as they can be provided and medical screening. Well, more than a dozen democratic members of the u. S. Congress visited el paso and clint, texas to investigate the condition of some of those facilities. Here are some of them. We came today and we saw that the system is still broken. That the peoples human rights are still being abused. I will never forget the image of being in a cell and seeing 15 women, tears coming down their faces, as they talked about being separated from their children. We need a system that works, that is humane and that is compassionate and that keeps families together. With more, im joined by the nbc correspondent who broke the story of the internal dhs reports. The reports from inside the Inspector General<\/a> of Homeland Security<\/a>. So are they lying to the public what they know is the truth . Theyre covering it up . Well, it its a good question. What we good was through a foia request. Freedom of information. Yes, thats inside baseball. Freedom of information. Where they turned this over. But this was not something that was supposed to be made public. These are from initial visits where investigators went to different facilities run by Border Patrol<\/a> in the el paso sector. One of those, of course, would be the clint facility that dediscussed last week and they found these terrible conditions. Some of them were so bad, as you mentioned, they thought they might have hunger strikes or riots. They had four showers, chris, for nearly 800 immigrants. When you hear acting secretary mcaleenan saying, look, these children are getting showers as soon as we can get them, how soon is that when you have four showers . These arent just people coming for a better job and life, these are people coming from hellholes where there is no law and order. Theyre seeking asylum and theyre Central America<\/a>ns. They said the morale is dropping among border acts. Why do we have to keep locking these people up when theyre coming here legally and turning themselves in to claim asylum . Why do we have to continue to lock them up . Now, one shred of optimism in all of this is the border bill that passed last week that would give 4. 5 billion for more detention space so this overcrowding doesnt occur, but i dont know are they going to put more they talk about cages for kids. Are they going to build larger, more humane facilities with all these money. Theyre not supposed to be held in the cages or facilities were describing. Theyre supposed to go to health and Human Services<\/a> if theyre a child or a single adult, they go to i. C. E. What i was struck by was the reporting. Think its in your reporting that some of the Border Patrol<\/a> people have actually dipped into their own pockets to pay for peoples food. Yeah, it wasnt clear whether or not they were getting reimbursed just based on the report, but it said that they were using credit cards that werent supposed to be for that purpose and buying 10,000 of food a day. So i think what we have to ask at the end of all of this is, even if you expand the space, even if you get more money to increase detention into infinity, have you actually learned lessons of how to manage a population, how to get food, hygiene, basic things well, its never going to stop as long as those parts of Central America<\/a> are not fit to live in and you have, you know, hel 11 00 on earth there. Theyre going to keep finding a letter life up there. That asylum situation aint gonna change. Its been an issue since 2014 with the Obama Administration<\/a>. Some would say we have pull factors but there are certainly push factors as people try to escape violence and poverty. Thanks to you we know whats going on and not the government. Julia ainsley, they were keeping a secret, their own Inspector General<\/a> report, about how bad things were. Their pr operation is a total 180. A dramatic confrontation up in pennsylvania, up in harrisburg, as a republican lawmaker tries to shout down a democratic colleague. That democratic lawmaker, that state senator is coming here next. By the way, she looks really good in that picture. She makes her point. Shes got the guts to keep talking. The republicans, whatever the parliamentary situation, look terrible. Le if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, Little Things<\/a> can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. With otezla, 75 clearer skin is achievable. Dont use if youre allergic to otezla. It may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. Otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. Tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. Some people taking otezla reported weight loss. Your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. 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Chaos erupted on the floor of the Pennsylvania State<\/a> Senate Last Week<\/a> as senators were debating a bill that would end a program that keeps what helps the states poorest people. Id like to rise to offer an official statement to put on the record mr. President , point of order. For mr. John boyd. Mr. John boyd, im here to express my gratitude and ask for the support and general assistance. Im alive today because general assistance debate comes to an end, mr. President. You need to do your job, mr. President. Well, there you saw Democratic State<\/a> senator katie muth trying to read a letter from a former homeless man who benefitted from the state program, calling it a Second Chance<\/a> at life. Who you didnt see but clearly heard was the Republican Senate<\/a> majority leader jake corman. His yelling continued during her entire statement. Mr. President was homeless, living in shelters mr. President , you need to follow the rules. Point of order, mr. President. My point of order needs to be listened to. Point of order, mr. President. Point of order. Im getting my Health Together<\/a> and im working toward my ged. This is your job. Do your job, mr. President. To end as early as august the 1st. If general assistance this is about the operation of this senate, which we all voted unanimously to support these rules where will i get quarters to do my laundry if i dont have general assistance . Youre ignoring the rules, mr. President. Both parties, republican and democrat, accused the other of trying to hijack the process. Eventually order was regained and the pennsylvania senator approved eliminating that program by a 2524 vote, even with two republicans siding with the democrats. And the democratic governor of pennsylvania, tom wolf, signed the measure as part of the budget last week. As the philadelphia enquirer reports, into a bill that wolf was hardpressed to veto and provides medicaid dollars to philadelphia hospitals. 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Point of order, mr. President , point of order, mr. President. Mr. President , start following the rules. Welcome back to hardball. That was delicate Pennsylvania State<\/a> senator katie muth last week in a video that has gained a lot of national attention. You can hear the Republican Senate<\/a> leader there jay corman shouting her down continually. While senator muth was making the case against a measure that would end a state Assistance Program<\/a> for some of the states poorest people. Even though the measure was approved, muth has said she will continue to fight to revive the program from its elimination. The freshman state senator tweeted i wont go down to bullies, i wont back down to them or those who try and harm others. Shame on those elected officials who tried to strip away these vital resources. The video caught the eye of at least one 2020 democratic candidate, massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren<\/a>, shared the video online writing keep persisting, senator muth. Im joined by Pennsylvania State<\/a> senator katie muth. Why was the republican he sounded like he was being dismembered, he sounded like he was fighting for his life. What was the hysteria about . It was awful. Why didnt he say point of order in he disagreed with the parliamentary situation . I didnt get it. Your thoughts about that experience. I think its a very good point to bring up. He sounded like he was in tremendous distress for someone who makes over 120,000 a year was actually shouting at a story about a man who was homeless for 25 years, benefitting from a program that helped him stay on his feet, so it is the irony of the situation. It definitely turned into something that i didnt expect, but i was prepared to tell mr. Boyds story and it was important for me to get through the whole thing. So backing down was never really an option. You know, its important to have everybody hear this story and why this Program Helps<\/a> so many pennsylvanians, over 11,000 pennsylvanians, whether theyre veterans, permanently disabled, temporarily disabled people coming out of the hospital, people with cancer, you know, people that have ptsd issues, Domestic Violence<\/a> victims that dont have financial security. Yeah. To leave. Often that money is what allows them to leave. So its a program that is truly impactful and as i said, its shameful that it was voted to be eliminated. Its 200 for people, for public assistance who cant work, is that what it basically is . Yes, it is. And its a temporary Assistance Program<\/a>. Many of the people end up going on permanent disability or temporary disability, so its just to make ends meet. It can help pay utility bills, buy soap, deodorant, items that food stamps or Something Else<\/a> wouldnt speed limit for. They use it for bus fare, medical copays. This is money if theyre eventually put on disability, and mr. Boyd has been waiting himself for two years to be put on disability, the federal government refunds the state for this money, so, again, its one of these programs that really is the extra helping hand and often is the difference between a roof over your head or not. Weve spent a lot of time you hear a lot about San Francisco<\/a> and places like that that have a big homeless situation. I havent seen it as much as i hear people talk about it all the time. This is an effort to get people out of homelessness, right . Explain how this fella, mr. Boyd, was able to get out of homelessness and is he still vulnerable to being out there on the street . So he had been homeless for 25 years, going in and out of shelters and soup kitchens, and because of this program hes able hes now in an apartment. You know, hes able to make ends meet. Hes getting his ged. He does have ptsd and he discussed that as i read in the story and how to go how this helped him pay for therapy and psychiatric and doctor visits. So he is a great example of someone really if youve been homeless for that long, its almost a statistical anomaly to be able to survive that long. So, you know, people do rely on this lift up to get them to the next phase, and so to have a meaningful life, and i think, you know, its its, again, its something that eliminating it is it is august 1st, people are left out in the dust. Were trying to replace this with something very similar in the interim of having it passed for a long term. Myself and three other newly elected senators dropped a memo today for a bill to come out late this week for a emergency relief plan to help, hopefully, compensate. Im always fascinated with Political Mission<\/a> and why people go into public life and take all the risks that go with it. What was it that got you, as somebody from a suburban county, mainly Chester County<\/a> to get interested in something that so often affects the streets and in big cities. For psychiatric reasons or bad luck end up without a place to live. You know, thats a really good point in that, you know, general assistant recipients are in all 67 counties of our commonwealth. So there is no county that doesnt, you know, have people relying on this. While my Senate District<\/a> has parts of three different counties, chester, montgomery and burks, there are, you know, over 300some people which i represent that are relying on this resource. So, yes, it is higher in more citylike areas, pittsburgh or philadelphia, but, you know, these are still people that need to be heard and represented and mr. Boyd is not my constituent, but after i met him on monday, he had come up to the capitol the day we had our Committee Hearing<\/a> for this bill, and he spoke exactly what i read at the press conference we had on monday, and obviously not everyone attends that. And after hearing him and meeting him and seeing him stand in a building that has goldplated chandeliers and marble floors and this, you know, hes telling the story of survival and how this really impacted him and, you know, for me its there wasnt another option other than to tell make sure he had an opportunity to have his heard his story heard by more than just that press conference. And if people wanted to vote on this program to be eliminated, i it was imperative to have his voice heard before that vote. Senator, keep at it. I love politicians like you that get out there and take a lot of heat and get their points across. The stupid republicans in this case, theyre not always stupid, obviously, but making a cause celeb out of this have given you the statement to make that you just did. Thank you so much senator. Honoring the sacrifice of a 9 11 First Responder<\/a> who died this weekend. He was the one with jon stewart when jon stewart made his impassioned statement. Youre watching hardball. And. Thats your basic threepoint turn. [ scoffs ] if you say so. Im sorry . What teach here isnt telling you is that snapshot rewards safe drivers with discounts on car insurance. What . Or maybe he didnt know. [ chuckles ] im done with this class. Youre not even enrolled in this class. I know. Im supposed to be in ceramics. Do you know room 303. Oh. Thank you. Yeah. Good luck, everybody. Oh. Thank you. Yeah. On a john deere x300 series mower. Because Seasons Change<\/a> but true character doesnt. Wow, youve outdone yourself this time. Hey, whatre neighbors for . Its beautiful. Run with us. 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It is my goal and it is my legacy to see that you do the right thing for all 9 11 responders. We were there with one mission, and we left after completing that mission. I have been to many places in this world. Excuse me. And done many things. But i can tell you that i did not want to be anywhere else but ground zero when i was there. We were part of showing the world that we would never back down from terrorism, and that we could all work together. No races, no colors, no politics. You all said you would never forget. Well, im here to make sure that you dont. Well, the House Judiciary Committee<\/a> voted later to extend the fund. The full house will vote on it later this month. Last week Senate Majority<\/a> leader Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> said that the senate will work to pass the needed measure by august. For this, luis alvarez deserves our gratitude and, of course, our admiration. And thats hardball for now. Thanks for being with us. All in with chris hayes starts right now. Tonight on all in they should be given water. They should be given basic access to human rights. Horrific conditions in detention camps amid new reporting on a secret Border Patrol<\/a> group joking about migrant deaths. There are many within cbp who become desensitized to the point of being dangerous to the migrants in their care. My guests tonight, the reporter who broke that story and one of the members of congress who actually tore detention facilities today. Then you hear the power of that voice, nobodys heard that voice before. He doesnt do News Conference<\/a>s, in case you havent heard. 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