Court. Acting persecuted, President Trump, who Robert Mueller clearly did not exonerate, attacked the democrats and called on his party to investigate former president obama. Its a disgrace. We want to find out what happened with the last democrat president. Lets look into obama the way theyve looked at me. From day one, theyve looked into everything weve done. They could look into the book deal that president obama made. Lets subpoena all of his records. Lets subpoena all of the records having to do with Hillary Clinton and all of the nonsense that went on with clinton and her foundation and everything else. We could do that all day long. Frankly, the republicans were gentlemen and women when we had the majority in the house. Sometimes he baffles me again and again. I cant believe it. The book deal . Talk about red herrings. Anyway, during the Obama Administration, the republicancontrolled house launched numerous investigations at president obama and his administration. Unlike President Trump, obama did not try to obstruct those investigations, nor was he investigated for soliciting help from a hostile Foreign Government like trump duly should have been. In a new sign of polarization, a new survey by Morning Consult and politico shows that 41 of americans do not believe mueller exonerated President Trump while 35 believe he did, even though he said he didnt the other day under oath. Public opinion on impeachment remains steady with 46 of voters opening impeachment, 37 supporting it. Thats 46 against impeachment right now, 46 against, 37 for. Meanwhile, the number of democrats supporting impeachment is growing. Heres an uptodate list of the 97 democrats in the house who support launching an impeachment inquiry. Thats quite a list. The number of democrats supporting impeachment has grown from 58 back in december of 2017 when the house voted on impeachment the first time. Since mule areas public testimony, seven additional members of the house have voiced their support for impeachment. As of today, theyre 121 votes short of a required majority, including justin amash who supports putting the president on trial as well. Speaker pelosi has been trying to balance the diverging factions of her party, defended her approach. No, im not trying to run out the clock. Lets get sophisticated about this, okay . Im willing to take whatever heat there is there to say when the decision will be made in a timely fashion. This isnt endless. And when we have the best, strongest possible case. For more im joined by susan page, usa today Washington Bureau chief, and rob reiner, did he ta director and activist. Thank you both for joining us. Susan, i had Jackie Speier on last night, one of the top people loyal to speaker pelosi, and she says september 1 is a good day to look at, because you got to look ahead. It takes six months to do this. You follow the nixon time frame, you cant be doing it right in the middle of the president ial debate season because the voters will say, wait a minute reasonable idea, its coming close to do it or dont do it and stop talking about it. Labor day is probably about that moment that will come after members of congress have spent six weeks mostly back in their districts, listening to voters and hearing whether voters in their district think impeachment ought to be the priority. Or should they be focussing on other things. What do they expect . I think it depends what kind of district youre from. If youre from a solidly democratic district like aoc, youll probably hear a lot of energy for impeachment. But if youre from the swing districts that determines who holds a majority in the house, i suspect members will continue to hear what theyve heard in the past, which is voters care more about issues that affect their own lives Like Health Care and education and the economy. Rob, it seems to be pelosi has operated like most people do based on experience. And she saw her party take over the house in 2018. Last year, with a message that really didnt focus on impeachment. It focused on health care and instead of bread and butter issues. I get the sense, and in the best sense of the word, she knows whats works at the home back home in those districts. And most of them and she wants to hold the 218 that controls the house, certainly on the west side of l. A. Or the west side of new york, there are liberal bastions where youre going to face a primary opponent like jerry nadler is facing already one, a very attractive opponent i hear. Theyre all facing them, richie neal up in western massachusetts, he has a primary opponent, a couple of them. Theyre worried at home about different things. Your thoughts about it. Im going to disagree a little bit with your analysis in that the 2018 election was, yes, there were some Kitchen Table issues, health care and education, jobs and so on. But it was also about holding this president accountable. We heard a lot about taking the majority and having the subpoena power to hold this president accountable. Now that we have it, i think thats whats going to happen. Youre going to see a twotrack approach. Today essentially, if you look carefully, and ive had some conversations since this came out with Laurence Tribe and others, since the filing was made by chairman nadler to the courts to access the grand jury material and access the ability to get don mcgahn to come and testify, if you look at that filing, the word impeachment is used many, many, many, many times. And you can argue about impeachment inquiry or impeachment process or impeachment proceedings, but the fact of the matter is once a judicial body, once the Judiciary Committee becomes a judicial body and talks about impeachment as a mechanism by which theyre going to access documents and compel witnesses, then that speeds up the process. Have been clamoring to get this thing on the road, that in a sense started today. And if you look very carefully, that is what started today. But, rob, i dont believe that. I believe were looking at a process of just one more thing. Oh, were going get mueller, his report. Weve got muellers report. Then we got mueller in person. Oh, he is going to dramatize and televise the whole thing that didnt work. And mcgahn is going to turn everybody around. These numbers dont look good. They dont look good, and theyve been pretty consistent. Even though most americans have said they dont believe President Trump was exonerated and that muellers credibility has gone up, including among republicans, that has not increased the overall number of americans who support impeachment. Now most democrats support impeachment. But if you look at the overall number, you dont get to majority, and in fact you get predominance of americans saying they do not support the idea of impeachment. And what chairman nadler did today in the Court Filings is he tries to have it both ways. Tries to say youre doing an impeachment investigation without actually forcing the house to take an impeachment vote. And i dont know how persuasive thats going to be. Rob, you know the situation. You know as well as i, you followed these events for years, as i have. It seems to me the advantage, the real hammer comes when you begin an impeachment proceeding, when you actually get the house to vote for an impeachment proceeding. That opens up a lot of doors with the courts. Apparently that puts a lot more pressure on people to play ball, except subpoenas, turn over the documents, like with nixon. It says were having a trial now and were the prosecutors. Were no longer fishing around. Were serious now. You think well, let me ask you this. Bottom line, how late can they put this off before they start a formal impeachment proceeding . How long can they put it off between now and then . I think it has to happen at the beginning of september, as youve mentioned. But make no mistake. What theyve filed today does expedite things. And thats what needs to happen. You need to get all that grand jury material. You ask anybody who adjudicated watergate, they needed the grand jury material in order to start the understanding of how to form articles of impeachment. So that is happening now, and i take exception. We look at polls now. And, you know, everybody makes this argument. Polls dont mean anything. They change, whatever. When people come on television, that changes peoples opinion. Were never going to get that 40 . That 40 will always be there. And that represents, you know, the Republican Party, essentially. But think about this. And chris, you remember this as well as anybody. First of all, you had mueller come on, and everybody talked about his performance, and it was bad show business and all that. But the reality is a record was created and there was no question about it, the president committed crimes. I agree. Worked with the russians to try to win the election. Thats out there. But remember, chris, when fawn hall took the stand during iran contra, do you remember that . Sure. It was ollie norths secretary. She was very beautiful. She was sexy. The ratings were off the charts when she took the stand. When hope hicks comes or even don mcgahn, when they come and the cameras are on them, its going to start slowly changing it. And those poll numbers will slowly shift. Were never going get that hardcore cemented 35 to 40 , but it doesnt have to be that. Congress has a responsibility to hold this president accountable, and if they dont do it, you can say no one is above the law all you want, but if you dont hold this guy accountable, essentially he is above the law. We have a member of congress joining us right now. We all know the democrats retook the house of representatives by flapping good number of formerly republican suburban seats back last year. Congressman Jefferson Van drew who flipped one of the seats in south jersey does not support impeachment. Telling the New York Times, if we just let this overshadow all these other issues for a longer period of time, too long a period of time we are really endangering the election for the democrats. He joins us now. Congressman, thank you. Congratulations on winning where i grew up, ocean city, new jersey. Why are you opposed to action like rob reiner is calling for right now to get this train rolling and have a vote eventually on impeachment . Unless we find something new or different that we didnt see before, it seems that this just continuing. So first it was going to be the Mueller Report was really going to give us the information, and it did. I read it from the first page to the last page, and it gave some information. And certainly there are some distasteful sections and parts of that that really are concerning, but not high crimes and misdemeanors, at least in my opinion. And obviously in other peoples opinions as well. And then it was going to be once he testified, it will come to life and it would bring the whole issue to life, and then we would move forward with impeachment. And of course, again, it didnt. So now were trying a different tack. I understand that and i want to may need make sure everything is as it should be. Why didnt we do that earlier . It keeps dragging on and on and on. And here is my issue. Here is what i believe, and im talking politics now and maybe a little bit government as well. We have lots of big issues. I had somebody email me today and said a Record Number of individuals passed over this last week from drug overdoses. And she says, you know, its more important that we start really dealing with that issue rather than keep letting this just overwhelm everything. Or infrastructure or how about health care . How about the cost of prescription drugs . How about the way our veterans are treated in veterans homes. Are we really going to be able to shore up medicare and are we going to be able to take air of Social Security . And i can go on and on and on. Those are the issues that at the end of the day, blue collar, average democrats that we used to have and still do, but they really care about. And so there are folks let me wrap up with this. Youre wrapped already. We got to get rob a chance here. Rob reiner, you heard the case. What do you say . I couldnt disagree more with the congressman, because all of the issues that he talked about of course are critical. None of them will ever, ever pass when we dont have the white house and ultimately the senate. We passed a million bills already, and they lay dormant at Mitch Mcconnells feet. Thats not going to do anything, and if it didnt thats because we are so involved. We are so involved with this only, or at least the perception of this only. No, no, no. Look, im there every day. Let me finish for a second. Congressman, do you think the seats like yours are in danger if the democrats move toward impeachment . Absolutely. I dont even know that mine. I was fortunate. I won by a good number more votes than many of the other ones did. Folks have to realize it was middle democrats, middle of the road democrats that created the majority. And that their voice counts too, and we have to and by the way, if Something Really new comes up, Something Big that we didnt have before that really shows an impeachable offense, absolutely. Any president. I want to hit you with two possibilities and then rob. I want to make one point. This is fundamental. I think its the main point. If this president gets away with this, whether he gets reelected or not, he gets away with saying i can play ball with the russians or any foreign adversary, any enemy of the United States, i can play ball with, he said that again the other day. He said im going to do what happen next time. They have dirt for me, ill use it again. He also said a president can do anything he wants. There cant be an obstruction of justice case made against the president under article 2 of the constitution because under article 2 according to trump, he can do anything he wants with the executive. He can tell the judiciary to do anything he wants. He can tell a special counsel to do anything he wants. What happens if he gets away with that, congressman . First of all, nobody agrees with that, and he says many things that many folks find very disheartening. That isnt the point. What happens if we literally get to election time and we get out there, and were going to be out in the street a lot, and thats something i do, and you know, that because you know my area, and thats how i got elected numerous times. And the bottom line is what were going to say to people, well, we presided over a failed impeachment. Thats our major accomplishment in two years, thats why you flipped districts. Thats why you changed the majority. I dont think that does the job. Now, if there is Something Real there, brandnew that comes up now, i dont know why now the russian issue all of the sudden became a bigger issue than it was a week ago, a month ago, six months ago, a year ago. It seems like were constantly trying to move on to do something else, and the bottom line is i want us to do good stuff, and we can. One of the reasons were not getting certain things done with the other side is because were always attacking them. Okay. Let me go back, first of all, congressman, we talked about the russian issue every single night here for two years. This isnt a newbie for us. Rob, your last thought here. First of all, you dont know what the polling is going to be. You dont know. If i make the case it would be great politics for the democrats to stand up and hold this guy accountable. Secondly of all, you need more to see . There were five hard examples of obstruction of justice laid out in the Mueller Report. What else do you need . The guys working with the russians. He says he is going to continue working with the russians. The russians are already playing. Weve seen the Senate Intelligence committee tell us that theyre playing right now and theyre working hard to defeat us. Are we now saying that were just going to give ourselves over to the russians . We beat them in the cold war, and theyre beating us now in the cyber war. And if we dont stand up to them, it could be the end of our democracy. And im sorry if you lose your seat, but weve got to stand up for democracy. We absolutely need to stand up to the russians. Susan . Here is the debate going on in the democratic party. How do you hold the president accountable . Do you hold him accountable by impeaching him or defeating him in next years election . Is that the better way . Beau,. Both, both, both. Thank you. Youre on the front lines. I appreciate you coming on. I know your district is going to be a tough one either way. I know about that district. It is not a left wing district by any means. Thank you. Thank you. Susan page, rob reiner, youre a great citizen. Thank you. You know your stuff. I think you know what everyone on the show knows. You know what our producers know. You know it all. I know your opinions and you are a passionate american. Thank you, sir. Thank you. The russians targeted election systems in all 50 states its turned out, as rob said, and the fbi director says its still going on. 50 states. Theyre probing and probing for weaknesses. Theyre casing our joint. How exactly are the russians infiltrating our elections . Where is the outrage on the republican side . They dont seem to care. Former cia director john brennan will be here with me. Plus, new polls show joe biden is not just the democratic frontrunner, she is in the best position to beat President Trump up by ten points in the fox poll. That still be the case after next weeks debate . Well see when his rivals try to knock him down like Kamala Harris did last time. 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