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I i took his buddy away from him. Me. How does that sit with me. Im chuck todd and joining me for inside analysis this sunday morning are, the New York Times david brooks. Eugene robinson of the washington post. Pauline cooper of the New York Times and jerry sy of the wall street journal. Welcome to sunday. Its meet the press. From nbc news in washington this is meet the press with chuck todd. Good morning. This is the scene outside the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston South Carolina this morning where the congregation is gathering for the fis selves since First Service since a gunman murdered nine people there. The victims, reverend clementa pinckney, shah rhonda singleton, Tywanza Sanders with be ethyl lance, reverend Daniel Simmons sr. , depain middletondoctor sue si jackson and cynthia hurd. It brings back other memories notorious incidents. Of course those killing of thee civil rights activists in june in 1964 in mississippi. But in charleston the process of healing has already begun. That was shown when family members of the victims showed such remarkable dignity at a hearing for the killer, Dylann Storm Roof on friday. Well hear from the family of one of wednesdays victims in a moment. But first my colleague ron allen is outside mother emanuel this morning. Ron, tell me about the scene out there on what looks like a very nice sunny sunday morning. Reporter it is, chuck, but it is also a very emotional time, a very disturbing time a very powerful moment. There have been people gathering here outside the church throughout the weeks as this horrific incident happens paying their respects so much public mourning, grief and sorrow. This is also a time for healing and to celebrate the lives of those nine souls lost whose names you just read. Theres also a sense of history here because this church has existed, this congregation, for some 200 years. At the other times it was at the forefront of slave international insurrections. Martin luther king jr. Visited and worshipped here. Reverend pinckney stood up for social justice. Charleston is not far from where walter scott was allegedly shot and killed by a North Charleston Police Officer a year ago. Celebrating those today who lost their lives and trying to begin to move this community forward. A real sense that this could be a turning point for this community if not the rest of the nation as well. Ron, charleston has been amazing in all this ron allen, thanks very much. Reverend Daniel Simmons sr. Was one of the victims of the horrific attack on wednesday night at bible study. He not only served parishioners in multiple South Carolina churches, including of course at emanuel a. M. E. He also served this country during the vietnam war. His family who has lost a man described as gentle and humorous joins us now, including along today simmons who faced the man charged with her fathers death in court and told him hate wont win. Thank you, simmons family, for joining us and i joanin in with the entire country in offering condolences. A hate wont win. Why was it important for you to send that message in Court Last Week . Well earlier this week when all of the family spoke, i was actually inspired by some of the other families who immediately forgave the suspect when they had the opportunity to speak to him. And that made me think of how strong love is and, although my grandfather and the other victims died at the hands of the hatred from this man, the love of the community and the love of christ and just the love of all of the families for the victims was so overwhelming that it outweighed the hate that he had for them. Daniel tell me about your dad. My dad was a loving father. He was a great inspirational leader. He cared deeply for his family his community, his faith, and he loved god. What would he say how the community should respond to this horrific attack . What do you think he would say to you if he were here to sort of bring the Community Together . First of all, i would like to thank the city of charleston. How they have come together and shown unity and love he would be so overwhelmed with how everyone has been unified to act on one accord. My grandfather really loved charleston and one of our best memories of him was coming down two summers ago and he took us on this grand tour of charleston. He just kept talking about how great the people of charleston were and we saw that. We saw that this week. Alana, a lot of people want to use this incident to have a bigger conversation, to try to do something, racial reconciliation, guns theres a lot of issues that people want to grab on to. What do you want the country to take away from this and what do you want the country to be having and our political leaders to be having a conversation about . Well we elect not to talk about politics or policies or race issues at this time. At this time we just want to focus on our grand father and the other victims and making sure that the communities and the families heal and move on from this tragedy. Daniel the importance of his faith. The importance of faith to everybody in that room that is mourning your father. Explain it. Its easily explained. Its love. Yeah. Thats a good answer. We love each other. We love our grandfather and the outpour of love from the community and from the officials, from our community in hampton roads, virginia its just been so overwhelming that its given us all of us, i would like to say, a grace that you know is past understanding. Your family is quite an example for all of us in this country. Reconciliation forgiveness, love faith, unbelievable. Charleston has been a great example to the rest of the country as well. We just really really appreciate how everyone has come together and, like people of all races, all religions, genders, orientations, at the prayer vigil we went to friday night, everyone was there and it was just so overwhelming and just so wonderful to see everyone coming together. Not to bash or to talk about the suspect, but to celebrate the lives and to heal together. Well, its too bad that it took a tragedy like this to make that happen. But perhaps if this is what comes out of it maybe were a Better Society for it. Thank you, simmons family. Thank you. Im joined now by the democratic congressman from South Carolina james clyburn. Of course welcome back to meet the press. Congressman, my condolences. Thank you very much for having me. Thank you very much. These folks were constituents but they were personal friends. Tell me about some of your friendships. Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me. Speaking with his family he and i are the same age. The last time that i did a Morning Service at emanuel, i think he was the pastor there at the time. I have gotten to know his family very very well. Inlaws or constituents. Pinckney. This guy was just absolutely the salt of the earth. I first met him when he was a student here at Allen University in columbia and of course his hometown home church all in my congressional district. Emanuel is just one block outside my congressional district. But he and i had a very close personal relationship. Malcolm graham who has been on various shows this morning, his sister cynthia, is my daughters was one of my daughters best friends. She was a librarian, like my wife. And theres so much. Middleton. Her father. He called himself my a. M. E. Campaign manager. He was just a great guy. So i know all of these people in a very personal way. Congressman, youre from a generation that was in the middle of the civil rights movement. You saw the pain and the protests of the 60s. Some of these attacks that took place in the 60s. Did you think this was at all possible that Something Like this could happen in the 21st century . Unfortunately, chuck, i did. I have been saying for some time now to my friends in the Congressional Black Caucus will tell you i have been saying to them that there is a rightward drift in the country that i think is going too far. People get emboldened by all of this. We hear all this discussion about the confederate battle flag. What is so interesting about that chuck, is that that is not the Confederate Flag. Thats a battle flag that flies in front of the state house. That is a flag of rebellion. We would not be having this discussion if that were the Confederate Flag or the flag of the Confederate States of america because that flag is not a symbol of hate. So when you see the resurrection of this a young man 21 years old, wearing all of these apartheid things on his shirt. Burning the United States flag and glorifying the elongated version of the battle flag certainly you are created this climate that allowed that to happen. Several years ago you led a compromise effort on the flag. Democratic president ial candidates were threatening boycotts and you were trying to be the peacemaker back then of saying lets find a compromise on that flag. Looking back do you wish you had just pushed harder around said you know what . No. Shouldnt have compromised. No sir. If they had followed the compromise, we would not be here. Compromise was to put that flag in front of the Office Building next to the way it happened statue. What happened was when some people rejected the compromise the legislature out of defiance put that flag where it is today in front of the state house. That is not what the compromise was. The compromise was to put it on the back side of the state house out of public view so it would not have any appearance of sovereignty. Thats not what with the legislature did. I wish they would come back. Theyre coming back here to do the budget. They can very well take it up. They keep saying it takes twothirds to bring it down. That may be true but it only takes a simple majority to get rid of that twothirds law. Thats a very interesting way to put it. Ill leave it there. Congressman clyburn, always a pleasure. Thanks for coming on meet the press this morning and again, my condolences. I know it is a rough, rough sunday morning in church today. Thank you so much for having me. The panel is here the New York Times david brooks author of the road to character. Eugene robinson of the washington post, a native of georgeburg, South Carolina. Helene cooper, correspondent for the New York Times. Gene, this is your home. Yeah it is. My whole other side of the family is from charleston. I had a great, great grandfather who had a Blacksmith Shop around the corner from where that Church Stands today so it is personal. Just to what congressman clyburn said just now just very quickly on the flag issue, you know when that flag was first flown at the state house in columbia. 19 this is very important 1961. Not 1861. Exactly. 1961. And why . Well it was essentially where forgive the metaphor but it was a middle finger directed at the federal government. It was flown there as a symbol of massive resistance to racial desegregation. Period. It was all this nonsense about honoring the valor of southern manhood 150 years ago. They didnt have any urge to do that for a century after the civil war. It was only after brown v. Board, after little rock after desegregation began that south carolinians and they put up the flag on the state house that other states in the south adopted the battle flag as part of their state flags. So it was massive resistance. Let me put up the two flags. As youve heard congressman clyburn talk about, that one is not actually the Confederate Flag. The actual flag of the confederacy is the one on the left with the circle, stars. This is what is known as the Confederate Flag today is actually the battle flag of the Northern Virginia army led by robert e. Lee that was sort of adopted as the symbol in the 60s. David brooks you write about character, morality. Your reaction to all this. I guess i didnt think in the 21st century we were going to have racebased massacres. Well there were two sides in the week. The master which was the shocking side but i thought the family a he reaction and what we just saw at the top of the show was an equally newsworthy event. Somebody used the phrase practice grace that surpasses understanding. To see the forgiveness, the natural human reaction is to breed hatred with hatred revenge by revenge. Thats the natural genetic reaction. What we saw in the courtroom and just now was lives transformed by faith, People Living out their faith, people walking the walk and it is an example to the rest of us first of all, those of us in politics there are these petty feuds and here are these families that have forgiven that . Donald trump was the story earlier this week. Could there be anything more opposite of wanting to discuss in america youre absolutely right. I just thought thats an example of beautiful role faith can play in private and public life and just something that should be seared into our minds. This is not part of our nbc news wall street journal poll. We have this online poll we just asked specifically symbolism. Does it symbolize southern pride or racism. Split right down the middle 49 49 . I wonder if there is an education process when it comes to the confederate battle flag. We could be talking about how wonderful charleston has been or we could be talking about the flag. Were talking about the flag. I think people in South Carolina have to really be is asking themselves is that the conversation we want to have or not. That number also reminded me of something weve seen in polling over the years which is that white people tend to like to think that racial issues have been put behind us. Africanamericans do not think that and the split comes out over and over again. Can i just tell you, helene, if josh dubois wrote this in the daily beast about what jerry just brought up. The question now is will we convince ourselves the dilution is that this killer is the only one whos sick or will we examine our National Conscience and finally take steps to become well. One of those steps has to be White Americans having a conversation about white culture. He goes on to say we always say we got to have blacks and whites having a conversation together, blacks need to have a conversation but we never do look at White America to look inward. No, we dont. I thought it was an extraordinary essay. I was glad to see that he wrote that. I think it is something that we probably i dont know that im necessarily the person to be talking about White America having conversations at their dinner table but i think it is something that we as a media dont really call on when we talk about having a conversation about race. We talk about blacks and whites having a conversation about race. I know when i first got lirdhired by the wall street journal and i had not really been very far south before. I remember driving i was hired in the Atlanta Bureau of the wall street journal, driving across the border into georgia and realizing at the time this was 1994 and the Georgia State house had the Confederate Flag on it. A is a black woman i blanched. When which see that battle flag for me it is a symbol of hatred. So it is very hard for me to cross that bridge and try to understand what i understand that a lot of people in the south believe that this is heritage. But its just and im just as a black woman i see that and it is a tough one for me. Were going to pick up this conversation a little bit later in the show. When we come back were also going to pick up the other subject thats been brought up after this massacre and thats guns. This is a unique look though the a the issue of gun violence in america. It is a video of inmates who committed murder talking about their regrets about ever picking up a firearm. And they say to themself if im careful, if im careful then i can reach this good thing as long as nothing bad happens. And then i happened to him. Bennys the oldest dog in the shelter. He needed help all day so i adopted him. When my back pain flared up, we both felt it. I tried tylenol but it was 6 pills a day. With aleve its just two pills, all day. Now im back aleve. All day strong. [ female announcer ] it balances you. It fills you with energy. And it gives you what you are looking for to live a more natural life. 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Our nbc producer volunteered to do a video on his own. The circumstances you are about to see are very different from the racist violence in charleston. In this case the inmates are africanamerican that youre going to hear from. But their lessons remain important. We simply ask you to look at this via colorblind issue thats about just simply gun violence. Dan slepian put these folks alone in a room with a camera and asked them to do something unique, talk to their 12yearold selves what would they say now that would have made them put down a gun that ended a life and landed them in prison. My name is tyrone abraham. Im 40 years old. I made a choice. A gun. That i held in my hands. A gun when i first held one gave me a sense of power. It made me feel strong. Made me feel like i was invincible. You could be the bad thing that happens to somebody with think about that. Right . There could be a family. Theres a child. And a father and theres a mother and theres a family. They come here from africa to build a better life and they say to themself if im careful, if im careful, then i can reach this good thing as long as nothing bad happens. And then i happened to him. You want to be the bad . You want to be the bad . When i was 17 one of my friends suggested to me why dont you carry a gun . You need this. So i took up a gun. I held it. And then this gun became my security. The bullets shot into the crowd were real last night at a premier of the movie godfather 3. I head to the Movie Theater with a group of friends. Then another group of teens came in, yelling. Pretty soon an argument erupted between my group and that group. One of them pulled out a gun and fired it. I returned fire. Reporter Police Rushed in to find four innocent victims wounded in the cross fire two of them teenagers, including tramaine hall. I didnt think i was going to hit anybody. But i did it anyway. A little boy was shot. He died that night. And its that fast and its over and its done and you dont even know what you did. And by the time you understand it is too late. When i think of that i think of what happened at my trial. His father got on the stand. His father called this kid his buddy. That was his buddy. I took his buddy away from him. Me. How does that sit with me . David, you write a lot about character and culture in general and it is usually always when you do it is one of the most passed around things. This is a different way to have a conversation on guns. First, thanks for coming to me first. That was tough. That was powerful. I think what comes out of it you got so many young men who feel psychologically weak and then the gun is the source of power. It is all they got. In some cases they dont have educations dont have jobs, underprivileged. Then the gun becomes the power source. We even saw this with the charleston kids photo of him with the guns. The psychological thing. The security he felt holding it. Thats a powerful look inside the mind of who carries a gun. It is almost as if using the gun will be the thing thats going to be my expression of how i make a difference in the world. Thats a disturbing cultural effect of just the physical presence of a gun in the hands of someone who feels he has nothing else. Gene it does seem youre not going to the mind set youre not changing a law, passing a law isnt going to change the culture. No. But, passing a law that were, frankly, not going to pass would take a lot of guns out of circulation, would make the gun not the normal thing one reaches for when one wants to aggrandize ones selfesteem. One i thought that was a very powerful piece. One small thing i would mention, because i havent seen the whole piece is there wasnt a terribly diverse set of people who were talking. Right now were talking about a horrific crime committed by a white male. Were talking about the search for two escaped murders, more white men. We should point out this is not just an africanamerican problem. No, no no no. And it wasnt intended to be that way. Helene, the guns in our culture, thats what makes it politically so difficult. Yes that is what makes it politically so difficult. We seem in this country to be very whetted to them. Ive heard so many Different Reasons for why. People say that this gun control cant pass in congress and that taking it on asis political suicide. The first thing i thought when charleston happened was that this isnt going to change the debate because if new. Town town connecticut isnt going to change the debate, were not going to do anything about people going into an Elementary School and shooting up a bunch of kindergartners were certainly not going to do anything because a lun timatic walked into a black church and shot nine people. Thats a cynical position on my part but i think that says a lot about sort of giving up hope about any sort of change or any real attempt to address gun control in this country and i think that says a lot about the media and how we approach it that the first thing we say is its not going to be done so forget it. Thats true. But its interesting, years all washington creatures here. We think what are politicians and the government going to do. Weve used the term conversation here several time. In nothing else happens there are conversations going on in society. Thats not nothing. Thats kind of the reaction i have to that video and to watching the families in charleston. By the way, that inmate video is being shown to young people by, among others the new York City Police department. You can see the entire video on our website. Mete mete meetthepress. Nbc. Com. When we come back, republican president ial candidate Mike Huckabee joins me. Every Auto Insurance policy has a number. 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The flag debate was something you were a part of in 2008. I want to play what you said when you last ran for president when the issue came up during the South Carolina primary. You dont like people from outside the state coming down and telling you what to do with your flag. If someone came to arkansas and told us what to do with the flag wed tell them where to put the pole. Thats what wed do. Governor how do you feel this morning . I still think its not an issue for a person running for president. The question underlying all of this is, were asking, is South Carolina a racist state because of the flag that flies on their Capitol Grounds . Heres what i can tell you as a frequent visitor to South Carolina. This is a state that largely white people elected a female governor of indian decent and the first ever africanamerican United States senator from the south. They have more diversity in the people they have elected to statewide office than new york, connecticut or massachusetts. Theres 4. 8 Million People in South Carolina. I dont think you could say that the presence of one lunatic racist, who everybody in this country feels contempt for, and no one is defending, is somehow evidence of the people of South Carolina. I think weve seen the people of South Carolina and their character by what you saw in charleston with people of all races, democrats, republicans, from every perspective, hugging, praying. Nobody was burning down their community. They werent breaking windows. They werent beating up on cops. They were exhibiting a true christian spirit that is really, i think, exemplary to the rest of the country. I guess the question is should government be sanctioning a symbol that a large chunk of residents believe is a symbol of racism . Well, it depends on which level of government. If the State Government of South Carolina wishes to address an issue in their state, thats fine. But, chuck, if you can point me to an article and section of the constitution in which a United States president ought to weigh in on what states use as symbols, please refresh my memory on that. But for those of us running for president , everyones being baited with this question as if somehow that has anything to do whatsoever with running for president. My position is, it most certainly does not. Would you ever fly the flag . Would you as president youre focused on the economy, keeping america safe. Some really big issues for the nation. I dont think they want us to weigh in on every little issue in all 50 states that might be an important issue to the people of that state but not on the desk of the president. Let me just ask you this personally. Are you comfortable displaying the confederate battle flag in public . I dont personally display it anywhere. Thats not an issue for me. Thats an issue for the people of South Carolina. Do you display it . I doubt it. Does anyone on the Panel Display it . I doubt it. For us its not an issue. Lets move on to the larger debate about Race Relations in america. If you were president of the United States today and you look you have this raciallymotivated massacre that took place in charleston, but weve had social unrest as well, this trust issue between africanamericans and Law Enforcement officials, how would you be addressing this today if you were president . I think the best way to address it is the way that we have seen from the church members. There at Emanuel Ame Church. If you look at the pastor, the pastor who was murdered, it occurs to me that here is a shepherd who laid down his life for his sheep. The greatest example of biblical love, of christian spirit. When you hear the family members, as we heard on that very powerful interview earlier, it reminds us that christianity is not this cartoonish, contemptible, laughable faith that people today try to marginalize. It is a powerful force of healing and reconciliation. And while i know there are many people in our culture who dont want people to bring faith into the discussion, chuck, after watching that family and seeing the members of this church in court the other day, i would say that most americans stand back in awe and maybe would understand that it is precisely faith that would help this country have true racial reconciliation. Let me just add this personally. When i was a young pastor in my 20s, i stood in front of what had been an allwhite church. This was well over 30 years ago. And i welcomed the first africanamerican member to that church. I had death threats. There were people who said they would leave the church. But instead i held my ground. I said, if he goes, i go. The result was, our church grew exponentially. Even though people said they would cut off their giving. The very next month we had a record level of giving in that church. Sometimes it just takes courage to stand up and call out something to be evil and to express the reason its evil, because its a defiance and defilement of gods grace. Weve seen gods grace in the Emanuel Ame Church and its members a great testimony to the leadership of that pastor who instilled such a faith in his members that when they were faced with the greatest crisis of their experience they reflected all that he had taught them. That, i believe, is the greatest witness we could hope for. Let me go to the question that i introduced this topic on, and that is what the pope said about Climate Change. Whats interesting is the way he based his position on Climate Change is actually very similar to the way you have based your position in the past. You have said this back in 2007. Whether there is or isnt, it doesnt release us from the responsibility to be good stewards of the environment. It is a spiritual issue. The earth belongs to god. I have no right to destroy it. It sounds like you agree with the pope as sort of a faithbased focus on dealing with Climate Change. Do you still believe that . Ive always believed the earth is the lords and the fullness thereof. I believe that im not the owner of the natural resources. Im just a manager, a steward. I get to use them but i dont get to abuse them. I think what the pope has done is to help us to help us Start Talking about our stewardship. Let me be very clear. I think one of the ways we would really help a lot of people, is to use the energy we have until we develop energy that right now is not that economically viable. I would also say to the pope, if we could get the prices of energy down and make it more affordable, the difference between 5 a gallon gasoline and 2 a gallon of gasoline is a pay raise to a single mom strapping a couple of kids into car seats taking them to daycare, then on her way to work. Lower Energy Prices means that 84yearold woman in south arkansas can turn her air conditioning on in the hottest day of a 100degree sweltering august sun. Those are real true moral and Economic Issues for a lot of people. Our goal is not just to say, lets not use the resources. Lets use them in a way that empowers people to live the best life they can possibly live. I understand that. Go to the key point of Climate Change. A, do you believe its manmade . B, do you think that if youre elected president , this has to be on your agenda. Whether its manmade or not, i know that when i was in college i was being taught that if we didnt act very quickly, that we were going to be entering a global freezing. And, you know, go back and look at the covers of time and newsweek from the early 70s and we were told if we didnt do something by 1980, we would be popsicles. Now were all told were burning up. Science not as settled on that. I find it interesting. The left has completely embraced the popes message on Climate Change, but the pope in that very same incyclical talked about the science of life and how theres no justification of taking the life of an innocent person when we know the science is settled on the biology of the human life coming into being at the point of conception. So, lets embrace all of the popes message. And im waiting for the folks on the left who love this part about Climate Change, im waiting for them to also agree with him on the sanctity of every human life and theres no such thing as disposable human being. If youre president , Climate Change is not on the top of your agenda . Climate change is maybe the wrong question. Good, stable Energy Prices and making america an exporter of energy, not just for economic reasons but, quite frankly, to disrupt the balance of power with russia, iran and the saudis. This is a gamechanger and America Needs to use the resources that it has, use them responsibly. But for heavens sakes, use them to empower americans, help poverty and also change the global balance. I have to leave it there. We had a lengthy conversation about the horrific news of the past week. I hope to have you on to talk about spending, foreign policy, a lot of other things. Its a long campaign. Be safe on the trail, sir. Yes, it is. Thank you very much, chuck. Up next, just out this morning, the latest nbc news wall street news poll on two names that have been with us for a long time, bush and clinton. Stay with us. singing you wouldnt haul a load without checking your clearance. So why would you invest without checking brokercheck . Check your broker with brokercheck. Ive smoked a lot and quit a lot but ended up nowhere. Now i use this. The nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release Technology Helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. I want this time to be my last time. Thats why i choose nicoderm cq. Yoplait greek 100. 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In this weeks nerdscreen we have brand new nbc news wall street journal poll results. The big headline, america is not all that concerned about jeb or hillarys last names. In fact, we asked people to tell us what their top concerns about the upcoming president ial race. We gave them a list of choices. Heres what came out on top. Ready for this . 33 were concerned that wealthy people and companies will have too much influence, that was number one. Number two issue, with 25 , was the idea there will be more negativity in the campaign instead of actual debate about solutions to problems. That was a big surprise, that both issues were process issues the country was concerned about. Only 4 chose too many people from the same families running for president as their top concern. Conventional wisdom has been the names bush and clinton are an issue to voters, but our poll shows people are much more worried about how the campaigns will be conducted and paid for, not whos running. Speaking of these famous last names, theres actually more good news from our polls for jeb bush. In march 49 of Republican Voters said they could picture themselves supporting jeb bush eventually as the nominee. Well, guess what. After his announcement, that number is now 75 . A huge jump for him and a big noteworthy point post president ial announcement. As for the other guy that got into the race last week donald trump. 66 of republicans said they could not see supporting him. Thats by far the highest on the list of cant support among republicans of all the candidates we tested. But guess what. The good news for trump, it was a better showing than in march when it was 74 . Here are the top five republicans who have the most potential support in the primary. Jeb bush, marco rubio, Mike Huckabee, scott walker and rick perry. There is your top five among the republicans that say they could see themselves supporting as the nominee. 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You know, the heres one thing it teaches is, you know, we have to be conscious of the way we talk about race and we ought to do it more often. If we did it more often and it were part of the general conversation, then it wouldnt be so striking and noticeable to so many people when you do gun violence and only black people in it. Lets keep the dialogue going and lets broaden it as well. David, look, the reason to bring up gun violence is we looked up these statistics. 50 americans since 9 11 have been killed in terrorist attacks. Were up to nearly 400,000 people since 9 11 have been killed by firearms. Right. But the way the news events have happened with ferguson and this and a bunch baltimore, a lot have had racial huge racial components. Then the conversation slips over into poverty and things like that. Weve overly intermixed race and poverty. Most poor people in america is white. The family breakdown crosses racial lines, High School Dropout issues. But because of the flow of events with all the racial component, weve sometimes confused racial issues with other issues which are transracial. This is the challenge for political leaders. It may go to the fact that the president is he went guns not race in his immediate aftermath. I talked to people close to him. The president is selfaware, when he talks about race he thinks it polarizes the conversation and therefore it defeats the purpose that he wants to have. This is the irony in the first africanamerican president. In some ways he finds it harder to talk about race because he carries his own background into it obviously. Hes not seen necessarily as a neutral observer. Hes not having much effect. I think you see the frustration when he talks about these things on either front, the racial front or guns front. You can tell that bothers him. Helene, i had long conversations with aides, why guns, not race . They just said well guns is believe it or not, less polarizing. Yeah, it is sort of ironic. I dont necessarily think obama has problems talking about race. I think he has been jumped on a lot whenever he has. I remember the skip gates things back in the beginning of the first term where he said the Cambridge Police behaved stupidly for arresting Henry Louis Gates for trying to go into his own house. I remember sitting at the press conference and thought, thats what i thought. That kind of made sense to me. I remember writing a story and the next day came the backlash and everybody was going, why is he going after the Cambridge Police . These are Police Officers. That was very much that has dogged him for years ever since then. He gives his initial reaction and then that ends up being polarizing because of who he is and he is a black man. When he has spoken about race in a real issue, he can be great on it. He can be awesome. His symbolism may be more powerful than anything else. Gene, to go back to the gun video that we showed, it is a reminder that and in fact on Law Enforcement that white people do not see this issue the same because ive never been pulled over because of the color of my skin. By a Police Officer. And white parents dont sister to have that talk with their sons about how to act when when youre approached by police and dont make any sudden movements and keep your hands, you know, visible and that sort of thing. Look, we could talk about this all day. We can talk about mass incarceration. We can talk about disparities in drug sentencing. A lot of things. I want to point out that at the conference of mayors the other day, Hillary Clinton gave a very tough speech on race where she really went into the issue in a very tough way. And also president obama on the second day yes, he did. In fact, did get into race in a more substantial way than he did the first day. Hillary clinton was very tough. Its fathers day, a heavy day for a lot of americans having these conversations but i want to wish a happy fathers day to all the dads and grandads out there. Well be back next week. If its sunday, its meet the press. Here. Well be back next sunday. Fitz sunday, its meet the press. Defying the rules. Theres no greater adrenaline rush. Theres something wrong with me. Defying the odds. It is just in my dna. I have a lot of fun and take a lot of physical abuse at the same time. Even defying gravity. Well, i think i would jump out of an airplane. When i do a big jump, anything can happen. It is all in a days work for the extreme athlete. What we are doing is really a different sport altogether. It is extreme and it is dangerous. And in sports like these, you cant reach such extremes without risking your very life. It is not as glamorous as it looks. I do get hurt a lot. It is huge, like, 6foot wall, solid wall of snow just