Im free free falling if the public official used their Office Equipment to engage in the kind of pasttime that Anthony Weiners been involved in in the last couple years would you fire them . I think the answer is yes. If you had to vote for mayor right now, who would you vote for . I would vote but its a great question answer the question. Show youre different. Show youre different than most politicians. Youre not going to vote for Anthony Weiner. You dont think he should be mayor of new york . Fair point. That is correct. He should not be mayor of new york . That is correct. All righty. Good morning, everyone. It is tuesday, july 30th. Welcome to morning joe. With us on set, we have the chairman of deutsch incorporated, Donny Deutsch, New York Times reporter Jeremy Peters on the set with us in new york, nice to see you, msnbcs thomas roberts, i feel like its been forever. Its been a while. Youve been on vacation some. On safari. Nice someone gets a vacation . Washington, nbc chief Foreign Affairs correspondent and host of Andrea Mitchell reports, she never takes a vacation. Whats a vacation . Andrea mitchell. Joining joe and me, good to have you on board with us today. I never take a vacation either but things will change in august. Going to relax a little bit. Exactly. What do we got today . What do we have going on today . We just had the pot meeting the kettle. Yes. Thank you, thomas. Thats a good one. And now were going to move on with the impact of Anthony Weiners sexing scandal. A new quinn pack poll finds support for weiner has dropped substantially since the second round of elicit messages found it ways into the national spotlight. The former congressman now in fourth place with 16 support, down ten points from last week. New York City Council speaker Christine Quinn leads all Democratic Candidates following by a surging bill deblass yo. 53 of new yorkers think weiner should droup out of the race. Voters are split on whether the former congressmans behavior disqualifies him from elected office. Do you think he can come back from this some. No. Absolutely not. The second time is going to finish him off. Theres still the thought there may be more out there, but whats most fascinating right now is finally, after months of clinton world staying away, you look at the top of politico, theyre now starting to get very concerned and, of course, andrea talked about this, is talking about this and reported on this as well. Yeah. Id like to ask andrea about that, because huma and hillary are reportedly very good friends. So it would be interesting to see if they separated themselves, distanced themselves from them. Weiner is insisting hell stay in the race and thats raising concern for supporters of Hillary Clinton because huma has served as a top aide for Hillary Clinton for years as well as being friends. Andr andrea, youve been following this quite some time. I dont see any signs of them distancing themselves from huma. Friends of the clintons and longtime members of the circle are concerned about a possible effect on Hillary Clinton in the future on 2016 and could have been top of mind and certainly might be as Hillary Clinton today has breakfast later this morning at the Vice President s residence with joe biden. And this is after a very highprofiled lunch at the white house yesterday. Hillary clinton arrived for lunch with the president on a springlike day over salad, grilled chicken and pasta, aides said they were catching up. Did they talk about the mayhem in cairo, how to handle Vladimir Putin . 2016 politics or Anthony Weiner . Nobody was saying. Weiner has become a tabloid nightmare for his wife huma abedin, Hillary Clintons aide, for the clintons resurrecting embarrassing flashbacks they had hoped were long forgotten. Weiner said he isnt going away. I dont take my cues from the headline writers in the newspapers. Those are the same people that didnt want me to run. Reporter even though his Campaign Manager quit over the weekend and in Staten Island he got a scolding from teacher peg. I conducted myself in the a manner in which you conducted yours my job would have been gone. Reporter he told a local Staten Island paper. My wife has given me a Second Chance. Shes a partner. A partner through thick and thin and shes been amazingly supportive and enthusiastic about this campaign. Reporter when the paper asked what he would tell his son some day about the scandal weiner joked, first of all, the kid is going to grow up in gracie mansion, so im going to say, kid, dont complain. But others are complaining including the governor. This is summer political theater in new york. We laugh because if we didnt laugh we would cry. Right . And there could be a lot of crying as this continues because hes going to be out on the campaign trail today. A number of events scheduled. Huma abedin was with Hillary Clinton in washington as clinton continues her meetings today. As i said, breakfast with the Vice President. Donny. Donny deutsch, at some point, the clintons are going to do what barack obama did throughout his campaign and the clintons have done it in the past, theyre going to start throwing people under the bus. They started with Anthony Weiner, a back and forth there. Weiner, the guy is finished. Now that i say that, of course, hell win. But the clintons are finished with him. When are we going to start hearing about his wife going back to him saying you know what, there are bigger forces in play, youre not going to win, its time to get out of the sfras. I think were going to see that talk about the huma brand. She obviously is completely loved across the board and has a bright future. Every day she stays with weiner or stays in this race with him she distances herself from Hillary Clinton. But more importantly she distances herself from the voting public. I know i felt when she stood up there and some mika, you thought she was amazing and wonderful, i reacted the other way. To me i saw an opportunist, i saw her, something that was disengine win, not somebody standing by her man, somebody standing by her political wish to bes the first lady of new york. I dont think women or men look at that as brave. Theyre kind of disgusted by the whole thing. I thought it was amazing and extraordinary. Wonderful is not a word i would use. The whole thing was painful. Did you respect her for that . I mean once again i thought she was really brave. And i dont think its my place to say whether or not she deserves respect or judgment. Let me but youre not alone. Heres what sally quinn writes in the Washington Post. Blaming huma abedin. Though her friends say she is strong and resolute and defiant, sadly she makes all women look weak and helpless victims. She was not standing there in a position of strength. It was such a setback for women everywhere. She says she is standing by weiner for her family and her child. Does she really think her son will benefit from looking back on his mothers excruciating display of lack of selfrespect . Does she believe that the fact that she is essentially condoning weiners behavior sets a good example for her son . She clearly has no line weiner cant cross. He seems pretty sure he can keep getting away with it, and why shouldnt he be . Thats pretty painful, joe. Mika, whats your take on that . My i i go back to the famous line in to kill a mocking bird unless you walk a mile in somebodys shoes you dont judge that person. I think shes smart enough to figure out he will not become the next mayor but he will always be a father to her child. I dont know. What do you think . I think thats overly harsh . My take, i definitely think its harsh, but i think a lot of women feel that way. I think it was i think theres a real lack of understanding or sort of theres even a generational thing with online relationships versus whatever. I dont get it. I guess wait. If i can finish. I think with relationships, you just dont really know whats going on, so were sitting here judging only im not judging her as a woman. Political ambition she has a right, obviously, and to joes point, we dont stand in her shoes, this is not a judgment of her as a wife, this is a judgment of her as a future Political Force insulting a new york public, basically saying this doesnt matter, this man can lead, and to me i felt she lost credibility with her own brand. This is not about stay with your husband or dont stay with your husband. Who knows what their relationship is. I mean, their definition of monogamy in their marriage, no iphone has brought home chlamydia yet. Thank god. Thats a new ad campaign for apple. There it is. Talk about this. Look, no one around this table is a puritan, is a saint, or watching this tv show is a saint at home either. We dont know what goes on with them. Its selfdestructive behavior time and again that questions his leadership ability and exposes an achilles heel over and over. What they have exposed is a naked political ambition together theyre stronger than apart. But they also have to if they want a future, go play possum for about ten years, raise your child, get out of the limelight, have a strong marriage, and come back and do all the things that youre expecting us to do which is show compassion to you. Hes not showing compassion to himself. Joe, entitlement actually. Hubris and he has a really distorted selfsexual respect thats pretty banged up. He needs to go aawand deal with that and maybe in five or ten years he can be the leader he is telling everybody he is today but hes not. Part of the problem is his asking for redemption he doesnt have much in the way of political accomplishments to point to. I dont know what going away for ten years is going to do. If hes not in elected office, building up a resume of achievements in Public Service its going to be hard to come back and say forgive me. I agree with mika, some of the sniping is extraordinarily presumptive, to say that we know whats going on inside humas head, to say there is obviously no line that she wont allow him to cross. I dont know how anybody can know that but huma herself. Yeah. I respected what happened and respected that i didnt know everything, but that she was trying she was incredibly brave. That was tough. You know, mika, what i say, you know what ive always said please. Yeah. I have a friend in italy who repeated it yesterday, who am i to judge . Dont do that. Seriously . Who am i to judge. Your friend in italy. Im not so sure the pope wasnt also talking about gay priests and Anthony Weiner together. Who knows. Stop. But the golden rule. Go by the golden rule. The golden theres a golden rule, i dont think thats it, but it should be the golden rule. Lets talk about this story on on the pope, it was remarkable. Remarkable declaration. It was. Okay. Were going to skip the mayor who wants his legal fees paid for. Lets skip the mayor. Well get to it later. Its delicious and i heres the deal. Filler in wants the city council to pay for his defense and sexually harassing allegedly women all across the greater san diego metro area. And theres that story. Now lets go hes an idiot. Lets go on and talk about the pope. Its a man thing. Im sorry. Theyre so unbelievably entitled and confident and ridiculously selfaware. Can i say that, jeremy . Not looking at me which you are. Oh, dear. Cant believe that turned into im so happy. You can look that way. Lovingly in the eye and say pope francis is back at the vatican after his first foreign trip as pontiff but the flight back to europe that is making headlines. During an airborne News Conference on route from brazil the pope spoke with reporters for over an hour delivering candid responses to questions related to some of the churchs most polarizing policies. News correspondent Anne Thompson has the story. Reporter from the mass attended by more than 3 million on the beach, to more personal encounters, spectacular images mark pope frances trip to braz brazil. Most dramatic moments came on the flight home. A no holds barred press conference, something no pope has done in years. Animated, relaxed and funny, the 76yearold pontiff took questions for an hour and 20 minutes. Asked about the socalled gay lobby inside the vatican, the pope gave an answer no one expected. If a person is gay and seeks the lord and has good will, who am i to judge that person . It sends a strong message from the head of the Catholic Church that gay people should not be marginalized, should not be discriminated against, should be he wants to be inclusive and welcoming to them. Reporter frances said no on women priests, explaining the church had spoke on that. For his predecessor and neighbor at vatican, Pope Benedict, frances likened him to a wise grandfather. He doesnt live in the papal apartments because theyre too big. He cannot live alone for psychological reasons. Frances likes to have people around him. Thats why he likes having less security around him so he can meet people. He knows there could be a crazy person in the crowd, but says theres also the lord. Asked whats in his black briefcase the pope joked its not the keys to the atomic bomb. Just a razor and some books. The pope, with a common touch, showing compassion with actions and words. Im so excited about this pope. That was nbcs Anne Thompson reporting, joe. Yeah. You know, the fact is, that so many people saw this as a remarkable statement yesterday. Its remarkable in and of itself. You know, jesus on the sermon of the mount, pair phrasing jesus, who said, judge not, less he be judged, and standard by which you judge others youll be judged and jesus goes on and says, why are you looking at the spec in another persons eyes when you a plank in your own. This has always been at the center of jesus teaching, leave the judging to god. Ands the fact that some people get so angry that the pope was just paraphrasing what jesus christ said in his ministry, i think is pretty remarkable. But it is a really positive statement and not on the policy of gay priests. I mean lets face it, the Washington Post had a story several years back talking about the fact that the catholic ranks were filled with gay priests and seminaries filled with gay men wanting to become priests. So this is already the reality in the Catholic Church. This has been the reality in the Catholic Church. And mika, i think this statement goes not only to gay priests in the Catholic Church, but much larger world view that this pope is willing to express, which also, Andrea Mitchell, happens to be what the world view of jesus christ was, which this church is supposed to be built upon, the teachings of jesus christ, and just the statement, who am i to judge, is an unassailable statement because again, be it comes straight out of matthew. You know, joe, i was so struck by this, i thought it was the most remarkable event of the day and the last couple of days. The popes visit, him going to brazil, speaking about the poor, despite the security concerns, which were very real among the security officials, he was so enthusiastic about mixing with the people and then what he said on that flight home and i talked to Anne Thompson about it yesterday who was on the entire trip, one time when i really felt if i could have been in her shoes, but she with her history and connection to the church and her relationship with notre dame and i just was so happy for her to have had that experience of talking an hour and 20 minutes he answered questions. You can argue it was historic. Argue about his position on some of the issues, women in the clergy, i know there are some who would want him to go farther, but this is such a big change, just in his attitude. Absolutely. Yeah. So Donny Deutsch, you just you were talking about branding, actually there are people in the Catholic Church that worry about branding, certainly not the pope, but what a remarkable new face for the Catholic Church. Just remarkable. Remarkable, politics aside, what is interesting, we saw this week and last week with the royal couple, is what i call a new level of accessibility, populism with the Authority Figures that maybe some of our leaders in our country can learn. Real breakthroughs, less significant as far as when they presented the baby, how they did it, driving away themselves. This pope is a man of the people. Todays empowered consumer with our technology are going to demand this type of accessibility, this type of realism versus you take our president who in a lot of ways is very aloof, very disconnected from the people, and i think these two events if the last two weeks to me are blueprints of how leaders of the future are going to have to connect with people. Something that was so interesting about this exchange, i found so striking, is the language that he chose to use. He used the word gay. The english word gay. He was speaking in italian. And thats a word that even some of our own Supreme Court justices wont use because they find that its almost they get too squeamish about it and they say the word a lot of gay people consider to be a pejorative which is homosexual. He phrased this if you listen to how people often talk about homosexuality and whether or not its sinful, they ta