All right. Welcome to morning joe. Its friday. The lights are off outside. And inside. Yeah. Its october 3rd. Do you feel it outside. I dont. Its sweater weather. You have been on ebay again. I havent been on ebay. A 25 sweater off of ebay. Steve rattner is here. I think you bought it off of alibaba. Com. A lot of stuff going on latino night in sports. Baseball, those orioles the baltimore team. I was just in baltimore at johns hopkin. Orioles just took control of scherzer and the tigers. That was a big surprise. I thought tigers would do better. Tigers are tough they have that batting staff but they got to scherzer early and often. The other game the late game how can you not love the Kansas City Royals. Royals are crazy. They won again in extra innings. This team hasnt been in the playoffs since 1985. Hard not to root for those guys. Really big news out of College Football last night, while we were sleeping, number two team knocked off. Huge implications for the rest of the area. Arizona with Rich Rodriguez left michigan goes out to arizona, turns the program around. Got to say congratulations to the wildcats. Im sick. He was out late last night. I wish. I hope its only a cold. Im joking. Oregon loses how about the weekend in the sec . Alabama at ole miss. Auburn and lsu. Texas a m and Mississippi State all six of those teams undefeated. Crazy weekend. Mika, we know what youre doing this weekend. Im going to a track meet. Youll be watching sec football. Thats what i do. Where is the alabama game. At ole miss. If i were a better, i would take alabama. I bet you a sweater. You taking o. Le miss. Okay. Ill give it to you. Lets get to the news. A fifth american has been infected with the ebola virus and for us here at nbc news it is a story thats now hitting close the home. A freelance journalist working with dr. Nancy snyderman has been diagnosed with the virus. Ashoka mukpo is being flown back from liberia to the u. S. For treatment. His father says that his son worked there for three years and felt compelled to return to liberia to help shed light on the crisis. Dr. Snyderman and the rest of the crew are being monitored. As of now they are showing no symptoms but are being flown back to the u. S. On a private charter and put under quarantine for 21 days. Dr. Nancy says they present zero to minimal risk and yesterday she reported from where Thomas Eric Duncan was parental infected. Reporter this is the front door of mr. Duncans apartment that he was renting in this small hamlet and in the pink
house across the courtyard where the young woman, pregnant and now infected with ebola was calling for help and he responded. So you drove your taxi. Jim was the taxi driver who picked up duncan, the young woman named natalie and her father. Reporter you picked up a sick, pregnant girl but had no idea she was sick with ebola. They were told they were afraid she might miscarry. How did she strike . She was helpless. She was not able to walk by herself. Conditions are terrible. This is what i said yesterday. We keep saying oh, nobody is in a panic. So next to impossible to catch this thing. No. People are picking up this
disease by simply carrying other people by the legs. Im sorry, the standard is not quite as high as the cdc and everybody else says. So if you cant touch somebody, all right, tell us you cant touch somebody with ebola virus without possibly contracting the disease. They need to be straightforward. Im not trying to make anything up. But im reading these articles and yesterday when i brought up the papers come on they must have had sex with somebody. Everybody yesterday no. This the second day in a row we heard stories of people getting ebola by simply touching somebody. Let me help you. Joining us live from london dr. Alexander, an Infectious Disease expert and fellow for the institute of International Humanitarian affairs at Fordham University. Detective tore you heard what joe is concerned about. Is there a disconnect in the communication as to how you can
contract this . So, it is a really difficult issue to understand this, because youre absolutely right. The terrifying thing is that were seeing people contract the disease not only touching people but who are wearing hazmat suits or at least personal protective gear in some gayses. Nevertheless it is important to understand that the conditions in liberia are very different than conditions in america on both in terms of the quantity of bodily fluid around. People are profunnily sick so touching somebody with full fledge ebola is a different business to sitting next to someone on an airplane or subway who is barely symptomatic. I think when we look at this, we do see as it spread through a population it isnt very contagious not very easy to catch. Net and this is the difficult distinction. If you get bodily fluids then youre likely to catch it. Doctor, youre saying people wearing hazmat suits are contracting the virus . So whats very important, thats why were so terrified of this because we see people wearing their personal protective gear and getting ebola. That was the case with ken brantley and the other aid workers. The important thing to say is inside those suits in liberia its 115 degrees. So its very hot. And they are working very, very long shifts. Very understaffed. In that context its easy to have a breach of protocol. The situation would be very, very different in dallas where you have many more doctors. Temperatures arent as high. Its easier to change, the facilities are better and so on. I dont think what were seeing here is a virus that is easy to catch and start an epidemic in america. I really dont think theres any chance of having an epidemic in america. But the cdc needs be all over this case. In dallas they need to be all over future cases because i
think were likely to see this happen again. What would you say to anyone who was on any of the three planes that mr. Duncan took as he made his way to the United States through brussels, to washington dulles and on to dallas. They were told theres not much risk. But you look at the number of people he came into contact with, which is about 100. If youre on that plane what should you be thinking right now . Look, as far as we know to the very best of our knowledge he was not symptomatic on the plane and therefore not contagious. So what i would say to those people dont worry youll be okay. But this is a new virus. Weve only known about this virus since 1976. We havent had very many cases world wide. Its very hard to study. Only a fulabs where you could
study this virus. If i was a regular passenger on that plane i would want to be reassured and know results were avail valuable to help me. At any point cdc to really be on top of getting those manifests and phoning everyone because what you want is people at the cdc who are good at doing that. So far they have dropped the ball twice and im worried they will drop it again. Dr. Alexander, thank you so much. Come back please and update us. We have a lot going on. You want to move on to politics. Another thing, and you were looking at it, we need to talk to the cdc. We have this virus enterovirus 68. Heres the way the New York Times puts it. Its unlike any previous outbreak of the disease Public Health officials have ever seen. Its frightening. Well talk about that next block as well. Lets go to politics quickly. You know what willie and i do we have a very set day. We get up and do jumping jacks and a lot of toe touches. This is really important. Gets the blood going up to the brain and everything. You get. Grumpy. But anyway we do that. Then we sit down, right, and we have our skin block day. We listen to npr because thats what we do. Yeah. Yesterday were listening to npr. You know, laying out the porridge for the kids. Most incredible thing. They list the money that spent the most money this year in politics. The p. A. C. S. Because weve been hearing all year this is interesting because its confirmation of what harry reid has told us. Harry reid has been speaking out against the evils of big money in politics all year. We hate big money in politics,
right, mika yeah, theres some big money bags. Bad for politics. You know its bad for america. Senator reid believes so strongly in this crusade that hes attacked the Koch Brothers repeatedly for their sins against democracy. He calls them sins against democracy. In fact he even called the Koch Brothers unamerican. Lets get the best of harry reid. Koch are shrewd businessmen. Whats unamerican is when shadowy billionaires pour Unlimited Money into our democracy to rig the system. The Koch Brothers are willing to invest billions to buy that america. Senator republicans are addicted to koch. You see when you make billions of dollars a year you can be as immoral and as dishonest as your money allows you to be. Its too bad they are trying to buy america and time that the American People spoke out against this terrible dishonesty of these two brothers who are about as unamerican as anyone i
can imagine. Speak out against unAmerican People that spend a lot of money. He says they are immoral, deceptive. Senator reid accused the Koch Brothers pulling strings more than anybody else behind every crucial race in the country. Koch plan on spending 300 million. Headlines go on and on. So im listening to npr, right. The kids go is that my porridge. Yes. Are they british . We have some british kids here. Their parents came over here, you know, to go skiing and abandoned them. So, yes, they are they are brit. British. Should have done a few more. So i asked who are the biggest spenders in america as im listening to america. Number five guess who is number five. Koch brothers. No. Its actually the nera. Who is four . Koch brothers. No. Tom to stayer. Who is three . One of the Koch Brothers. Maybe charles or david. Charles is very generous. Its karl rove, american crossroads gps. Which means the Koch Brothers have to be number one or two. Who is number two. You think david koch. No its the u. S. Chamber of commerce. So we all know, we all know the number one evil unamerican what else did harry reid say, unamerican evil immoral lying sack of poopoo whatever hes called them, Number One Group according to npr and independent groups are is it the Koch Brothers . Lets look at an ad and see who it is. I learned tillis supports a plan to end medicare and raise premiums. Tillis is bad news grandma. I know. Arkansas is agriculture. Tom cotton voted against the farm bill. He wondered if the guys being influenced by outside interests. Your whole world torn apart. For congressman gardner make it harder pushing to outlaw a womans right to choose. 30 years later Mitch Mcconnell is still in washington and kentucky is still near the bottom in jobs. The Koch Brothers are spending millions to support joni ernsts campaign. Who is number one . What . The number one big spender, willie, i just spit some of my oatmeal out, its harry reids own Senate Majority p. A. C. Im sorry. What happened . What happened, mika . Weve been hearing on and on how evil the Koch Brothers are. Harry reid goes on the floor lets bring in a guy that knows a little bit about big money. Do you have charts on the hypocrisy. The guy thats been using this and calling other people unamerican has spent more than anybody else in american politics in 2014. Whats also interesting about this and i assume true and certainly contrary to the narrative out there is that the Koch Brothers havent even spent 10 million during this cycle which is incredible to me. Because harry reid has called them unamerican. The thing is everybody, you know, people that have tv shows every night, Koch Brothers, Koch Brothers, Koch Brothers, Koch Brothers. Its like they gin themselves up and if they keep repeating it people will believe them even if
theyre not telling truth. Harry reid is the number one spender and outspending republicans. Harold, i dont know. We talked about david koch and what hes done for new york city. And weve also talked about how this narrative is insanity. Harry reid should apologize to the American People for using the senate floor and being such a hypocrite. Look, theres too much money in politics. Those who complain about the other side spending money should probably stop especially if they are going to do the same. Harry reid lets be very specific. Harry reid said the Koch Brothers were unamerican. Harry reid said the Koch Brothers were immoral. He said they were deceptive. And yet talk about deceptive heres a guy thats raised and spent more money than anybody else in this entire athletics cycle. Is there outrage . Should democrats and republicans
not come out and condemn this man . Look, hell have to answer the question about whether or not theres a hypocrisy. I appreciate what the kochs have done here in new york city and elsewhere. Is the harry reid being hypocritical. He called the Koch Brothers for unamerican for doing things hes done more. Its wrong to refer to anyone as unamerican for participating in the political system. You shouldnt refer to people who are out to influence political system legally as you are as well as being unamerican or deceptive. That being said theres too much money in politics. Harry reid should address that. You shouldnt attack someone because they spend their money or raise money in order to influence the political system. Maybe they spent 10 million
so far this cycle. Harry reid is spending hell, hes spent 9 million in North Carolina alone. The Koch Brothers have spent more. Whats interesting, the Democratic Senate campaign which is not the big super p. A. C. Types but just the people who give smaller amounts have outraised the republican Senate Campaign during this cycle. Theres more money thats behind the democrats right now than behind the republicans. All right. Were going to continue this conversation. Unbelievable. By the way thats from National Public radio. Thats from, i think center for responsible politics, people who track nonpartisan groups. Opensecrets. Org if you want to know who is spending money. Rattner has charts coming up on richest americans and obamas
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prevention, dr. Tom friedman. Thank you for being with us. Heres what were saying around the set. Im guessing people at home are saying it too. Were hearing these stories about people picking up ebola from carrying other people. And we wonder whether you, whether doctors, whether Health Organizations really have their arms completely around how you contract this virus. If it may in fact be more simple to contract than what were hearing right now. Really there are two things that you have to keep in mind about how you can catch ebola from someone else. The first is how sick that person is and the second is the nature of the contact. When someone doesnt have symptoms they are not infectious. The sicker they get the more infectious they are. If someone is so sick they have to be carried they might have a lot of virus in their secretions. That contact needs direct with
them or their body fluids. Thats really important. Ebola doesnt spread like flu or the common cold and thats really how we can help stop it. We have two cases were looking at specifically, one which is an nbc news freelance cameraman and the second is a situation in dallas where the hospital had issues in terms of communication and that leads twlornt were prepar to whether or not were prepared to contain it. When you work in the foreign country one thing they are not doing is touching things. They are observing. Im still not we dont want to be sensationalistic about this but are we certain about how this is contracted . Well, you know, we have more than 40 years of experience f