Backed by a trusted network of attorneys. So visit us today for legal help you can count on. Legalzoom. Legal help is here. It seems like everyone is affected by the snow. In fact, schools in washington, d. C. Were shut down today after the city received four inches of snow in the first major snowstorm of the season or as boston resident put it. Are you [ bleep ] kidding me . Four inches of snow . I left for work this morning out a 2nd story window. Cowboy up top of the hour Mike Barnacle and catty kay are here in studio. And in walk Jeremy Peters and sam stein. Have you dug out of your place up there yet . Well you can walk around. I always told mica when i lived in upstate new york i dont think she believes this story. They said, we got so much snow in 78 and 79 the blizzards in upstate new york. It was our first year up there. We thought this was normal. You had snowdrift tarp like tenfeet high. We would go to the top of the roof and add a twostory house. We would slide off to 2nd story into this huge snow bank. The campus game. Catty and i were talking about
it early this morning, people jumping out of the dormitory windows into 15 20foot high snow banks. Now the more is saying not such a great idea. I did and look what happened to me. Look if you hit your head. Dont do it. Yesterday, so much news breaking yesterday afternoon, horrifying news about more isis horrors. Now were talking about oregon. The possibility of harvesting oregons so much happening so quickly, the Obama Administration changing on syria. Now funding the rebels. We are talking about now selling drones to other countries. The pace is starting to quicken. It certainly is. That of course will hasten and intensify the conversation if washington. We will begin there morning overseas with the latest reports of barbaric acts by Islamic State militants, two iraqi leaders confirm a Police Chiefs report of isis having burned
nearly four sudden people to death in the town of al baghdadi. Some of the people are believed to be members of iraqs security forces. It comes as iraqs ambassador to the United States says the militants may be harvesting organs amid mounting allegations. They are doing this to finance their terror activity. The u. S. Will begin training a quick moderate options in syria. The u. S. Says they will be fully vetted first and no decision about calling in airstrikes and over in walk a spokes woman for the state department is defending comments that she made on hardball about how the u. S. Can defeat Islamic State militants. We cannot win this war by killing them. We cannot kill our way out of this war. We need in the medium and longer term to go after the root causes that leads people to join these groups. Whether its lack of opportunity
for jobs. Whether we stop in our lifetime or there will always be poor muslims, theyll join. We cant stop that can we . We can work to improve their governance and improve their economy to have Job Opportunities for these people. We can fought kill every terrorist around the world, nor should we try . Look, it might be too much a nuance architect for some. Like i said over the past 24 hours the commentary out there. Its the part is way the democrats, republicans, military commanders, our partners in the arab world think we need to combat. Catty, yesterday, we were talking how the administration is being seen yesterday critics across the political spectrum seemed to bristle at the prospect the state department believes you can beat isis with programs. We will continue this conversation, talk about a lot more as well but there seems to be this growing belief in
officials if washington this administration doesnt understand the root of the problems. Look i think marie has a point this is not a military only solution. You need to get govern fans in the region involved in a campaign that will detoxify some of the sentiment among young people that is pushing them into violent extremism. That is going to be political and Economic Security solutions. It isnt, we have seen just mounting an Airborne Campaign is fought diminishing the appeal of the Islamic State to some young people who think they want its a recruiting tool videos. I think there has to be a broader more comprehensive approach and its going to take a long time. It has to start in schools, in european countries, young kids are billion radicalized. It has to focus in denmark in
european countries, there is a passive mood to jihad. We had muslims in the United Kingdom. Theyre being radicalized. When she talks about jobs so many of these jihadists that actually take lead roles come from middle class families some from upper middle class families. Its not and im sorry, you cant talk to too many people running this war that wont tell you that yes, we are going to have to kill our way out of this situation as well as improving the situation on the ground. I think the point is as well as, look its true. You have a region with 30 disappointment widespread dissatisfaction the government seen as corrupt and governors seen as pro westerners. It feeds into the antiwestern thing, where many sunnis and shias repressed by sunni, so is
sectarian violence as well. There are lots of facets to this. You can fought kill in the sense that as you kill you make more recruits. Mike barnacle we are talking now though about people that are seeing videos of fellow arabs burned alive. Fellow muslims burned alive in the most gruesome way and theyre being attracted attracted to this cause. I just think when we try to apply western values to values people that are attracted to seeing somebody burned alive are 21 christians having their heads cut off, that this is something much deeper something much more vague and we sound sully when we try to apply western values to these people. Joe, i have been told repeatedly by people who know far more about the than i do that the videos employed by isis are a tremendous recruiting tool
as catty just indicated. There are hundreds of thousands of young hopeless muslims in europe, in foreign africa. We cant cater to them. As a matter of fact, we are having difficulty figuring out what to call them. We know one thing today, this morning, the horrific example of what took place yesterday with four sudden people burned to death. That occurred less than 50 kilometers, 50 miles from a military base in iraq where there were 300 United States marines. This could be a pivot point in the short term for how deeply are we going to get engaged . We can fought do it as a country in the United States. It has to have an arab face on it. The confrontation with isis has to have a narrow face. And on jobs and education, having a hard time doing that in our country. So it certainly is a huge task to take on the world. Having said that it is a part of the administration. Its like global warming. Its completely long term. I think its very difficult to have an argument about combating isis with jobs. Its not an argument. When you talk about them being radicalized, we had joe klein yesterday from Time Magazine talking about it. The saudis our socalled allies that have played a massive role over the past two decades into radicalization by funding schools that promote the most radical form of islam. Bhuto said she used to walk aside in her jeans and she couldnt anymore. He asked why, she said because of the saudis. The saudis are funding this radicalism across the globe and unfortunately, a lot of people a lot of sunni, a lot of shia a lot of christians across the region are paying for that. When you speak with people
who have a tremendous amount of knowledge, both on the ground knowledge as well as contemporary only in of what is going on in the world right now especially with regard to this. With regard to isis its so complex, tribal wars lack of govern fans hopelessness governance hopelessness about 19 years ofably you want so set your hair on fire. It is complex about who is joining isis there are some wealthy people attracted. There are a lot of europeans from middle class to upper middle class homes that are joining isis as well. I think you need to remember you dont need very big footballs of people to join this crazy barbaric radical Violent Group to cause a lot of damage. Right. So what you need to do is address the people who have a tendency to want to join them and stop them from going there. You can do that i would
suggest instead of chasing down the hornets all over your farm you go to the hornets nest and you bash the hornets nest. So there isnt a place for them to go. As long as isis holds as much in iraq and in syria, there is a magnet. There is a place for people from denmark. Yes, i am. Sunni boots. It has to happen. Sunni boots on the ground and there are already shia boots on the ground. We can pretend we dont want iran there. Iran is probably the reason why baghdad hasnt fallen. Yes, there are already u. S. Boots on the ground and there will be more u. S. Boots on the ground. If you want to bash the hornets nests, it is going to have to be. You understand what im saying tow . I do. Instead of going to copenhagen and going into schools and saying hey, stay in school, jihads bad. Love jesus, love allow. I can do both. You got to get a message out in the slums north of paris, where theyre being radicalized and you have to deal with isis on the ground. I totally agree. At the same time people will not leave their homes in paris in copenhagen in stockholm, to go to syria or iraq if the force theyre going to in iraq is a loser. The problem is isis is on the march. Isis is putting these videos up. They look likitative got the winds at their back and history on their side. Thats got to be stopped and, yes, the United States of america has to wake up. Calm it what it is and start getting aggressive. The fact that three years later, we are now talking about possibly arming Syrian Rebels shows how asleep at the switch this president and this administration and this country
has been. All right, there is a Big Development of one of the top tools used against isis. The Obama Administration approved u. S. Drones to allies. So far they have sold armed drones to the United Kingdom t. Sales will be approved on a case by case basis with the assurance drones will only be used for official purposes. The u. S. Says it will give the u. S. Greater control over how and where drones are used. Less than two years ago, president obama said the u. S. Would reduce its use of drones amid criticism and americans already targeted without due process. A big clang on the u. S. Policy on drones one that obviously shows, again the pace is quickening. We are realizing we cant take this on our own shoulders. Jeremy peters you had an interesting report on capitol hill how a new influx of veterans and military men and women on the hill is impacting how they view the fight against isis and pay impact the debate. Reporter yes, i think thats right. One of the turning points in this debate is can the United States actually try to affect a political solution a governmental solution to this so its not just us sending more troops over there, that we are working in concert with these local governments to help create some stability on the ground there and i think that unless you see that on the Obama Administration unless members of congress can be convinced thats the case it will be very difficult to get from congress the type of war authorization that he wants. Sam stein, there are obviously the members of the house and the senate are back in their districts right now Holding Town Hall meetings going to the grocery store, going out to eat at applebees on friday night with their families. I know of what i speak, people come up to them say things to them. I think it is far more likely what they are hearing sitting in
applebees on a friday night with tear family, someone is fought going to come up and say, hey, we need to go over and kick isis [ bleep ]. What theyre hearing is keep our sons and daughters home. Its their fight, not ours. Thats going to make it harder when they come back to take an assertive stance in yet another war in the middle east. Well quite a different conversation than the one taking place at chilis. So you got to make sure you have the right restaurant. Theyre warmongers at chilis. Friday night at chilis the near con convention. I think you are right. We went through a fivetoten year period where people were tired of this war footing of the post 11 mentality. They want to disengage from the war a little bit. I think ill doing the sort of an next dotal point here. That mountainset has changed and the proliferation of these
videos. They use the social media to get out the atrocities theyve committed. Can i can you this sam, about those videos . Yes. There is a part of me that cant feel like we will look back ten years from now and say, my god, i cant believe how stupid we are. We allowed isis to play us the way they did. They put these people in orange jump suits. They do the most horrific things to them. We give them a disproportionate amount of Network Coverage and that, its 24 hours a day. You look at the news channels. Its 24 hours a day, across the world and what does that do . That recruits for isis. Yeah. That sort of gets to what our last conversation was, right, which was, do we want to be drawn in purely militarily into this conflict . Does it make sense, for instance to put american boots on the ground in syria to commit more arms to the fight, to throw
more arms behind syrian moderate rebels. All these things you have to look at the shortterm benefits and longterm benefits to engagement. Its a complex situation. Its what were suggesting. I agree with you. I think a lot of this is a complete pr tactic by isis to try to draw foreign governments into syria to try to draw foreign governments into iraq and, you know we are not asking the question about whether we are being played like you said. I think it is a remarkable remarkable on an epic historic scale, a remarkable Public Relations campaign that is putting a desperate fighting force spread the out over two countries on the ground if the United States dont wipe out in a couple of weeks, but putting them on the front pages of newspapers and on news broadcast and cable news 24
hours a day. General hayden will be with us shortly. I would bet you that he would agree with the following premise that isis principle goal their principle goal before establishment is to draw the United States back into the middle east in a war. That is the goal. And jordan and the uae and the sunnis that they see mica and egypt that they see as muslims that are inadequately pure. You talk about wiping out isis in a couple of weeks. Americans can do that if they put sufficient boots on the ground. Their war making ability. We defeated al qaeda in iraq in Anbar Province. We went in there. We wiped them out. They were gone. For about three years. And then we pleft. Then they came back again. Then we left too quickly. And we left too quickly. Because there was no interest in staying in perpetuity to make
sure this organization didnt come back again. Thats a question and theyre back. I think people at this table argue we dont want to be we have our own problems. But you are confronted in the pentagon what they call the cockroach affect. No matter what you do no matter how many you kill they will come back like cockroaches. We will get one more story in. At least one more. We have more to cover and a lot more in the world of politics. First, Benjamin Netanyahu is facing a spending scandal with two weeks to go before the countrys elections, a report by israels state comptroller, accuses them of official spending at the residence and his private home when netanyahu took office in 2009 the expenses were about 500,000. It doubled two years later. That included more than 122,000 on hospitality, expenses and 24 hour,000 on takeout food even though there is an inhouse chef t. Report found nearly 75,000 was spent over two years on person grooming. Meanwhile, a new poll found 63 of americans believe it was wrong for House Speaker john ban tore invite netanyahu to address Congress Without notifying president obama first. All right. Then we move on to president obamas immigration action. Today thousands of undocumented immigrants were going to be applying for Legal Protection instead the white house has been forced to postpone the launch indefinitely. On monday, a judge in texaco insided with the president s executive action and now Administration Officials say they have no choice but to comply with the order. President obama in the oval office on tuesday says he plans to appeal. With respect to the ruling, i disagree with it. I think the laws are on our side and history is on our side and we are going to appeal it and we will be prepared to implement this fully as soon as the legal issues get resolved. Meanwhile, jeb bush, a likely 2016 president ial contendered and longtime advocate of Immigration Reform used the ruling to take a swing at the president in a facebook post. It reads, quote, last 82er the president oversteppedis combektive authority and in turn hurt the effort twoorts common sense immigration solution. Thats not leadership. We have a lot of ahead of us. Jeremy peters if you can stay ahead of us we greatly appreciate it. Also, you will be talking more about rand palm and his plan to run for president. Still ahead of morning joe this morning, an awful lot. We are talking to senator dig
blumenthal and peter king. And larry king and tom colichio joins the table. Up next, a. Rod looks to smooth things over with yankee fans and a handwritten apology. Did he also apologize for a 61ple contract. Plus a driver in wisconsin runs into trouble nine different times and why the police were okay with this . They were okay with this. Oh. Morning joe will be right back woman its been a journey t