Its always fun to see the owners prancing their dogs around. Whats better is they prance them around on a green carpet which makes it very easy for us to use Green Screen Technology to remove the dog. This is what the Westminster Dog Show would look like without the dogs. Makes just as much sense that way though if you think about it. Thats pretty good. Top of the hour. Welcome to morning joe. Mike barnicle and indicatekatie kay are with us. The story on the front page of the New York Times. Theres a big debate on whether its a jobs program, people are diseffected in the middle east and they dont have money, broke, no hope no chances. Thats why they get into isis. New york times shows that again, weve talked about it. Its just not the case in many cases. From a Cairo Private School killing fields this is a great mystery why guys from middle class to even upper middle class families from 9 11 until now with isis like this young man that they profiled decide to go from the middle to upper middle class in private schools to
becoming a terrorist. And were just so stupid in the west when we sit back here oh, if we just get them some jobs theyre going to be better. Im not just im not knocking what was said a couple days ago. Im just saying we hear this around the table all the time. No, this is this is p a deepseeded religious belief. Like the most hard core fundamentalist belief, which is what the Atlantic Monthly brought out so brilliantly this week. We need to understand, theres a class of civilization this isnt a class of west versus islam. This is a clash of i slam versus islam. You understand its not, okay, you stop doing this well give you a jobs program. Thats not the equation the state department is trying to make, the jobs program and education are longterm efforts and perhaps they need to be looked at as we try and stop the rise of isis and other but he was living quite fine before he ran a plane into the twin towers. This young man who went to a private school and lived well in cairo was doing quite well. We find sometimes that it is the middle class and upper middle class that actually take the lead. My god, look at bin laden. His family ran saudi arabia. They were some of the in fact the bin ladens were so rich the king of saudi arabia had to borrow money from them for their government to survive. So youve got that im sorry. Mike . Thats a very compelling story because of what it does within that young mans family. Theres a nineminute documentary on the New York Times website. It fractures the family. We were listening actually yesterday to mikas brother, mark briz ski, who was ambassador to sweden. He came to speak at a swedish here in new york was it
rotterdam . Basically, theres a country in sweden that just is producing more jihadists for isis in sweden than in the entire United States last year. We had that. We had the summit yesterday. The New York Post putting this picture up of the president. Islam terror . I just dont see it. I think thats becoming more and more an ideological debate with more sound and fury. And that it just doesnt make sense. Couple of things out of boston. So this dude is jumping out of the second floor window. We showed videos of this yesterday. The mayor of boston i believe it is, is saying chill out. This is not Loon Mountain stop it. Another thing we read is that boston people do not want the olympics. One person said its like you
know, a lot of women in my life olympics force you to build stuff you dont need. Well, it does do that. In addition to that i think the sentiment is growing in Greater Boston given what has happened to the Transportation System in that city. The mbta. The t is shut down for the month because of snow. The idea that olympics is coming to very narrow streets to begin with, its crazy. Why do people want the olympics . Lets see, did it really make a big difference in l. A. . Did it make a big difference in atlanta . Maybe it was good for beijing. In 68 it may have been good in mexico city. Same thing for tokyo in 60 or 64. Cities emerging as great cities in the world, that makes sense. But boston, no thank you. Were fine. The 84 olympics in l. A. There was a huge amount of terror about it in the city because i was growing up there then and people didnt want it and it came and turned out okay. It didnt do much for the city. It wasnt like later, wow, l. A. Has been trans forred because l. A. Was already l. A. People thought it was going to be horrible so the big sigh of relief at the end of it because it didnt snarl up the city. Basically everybody stayed home. Im taking two weeks off. Im not going anywhere. Im not going to touch the freeways. I was talking to someone you knew in boston a couple weeks ago trapped in the house for however many days its been now. The woman said i hope theyre paying attention at the Olympic Committee because i dont think it here. I was born in atlanta and i always go back to atlanta. After the 96 olympics going back to atlanta and the only thing i noticed different was they had to fountains that the kids could run through because it was great because it was 98 degrees in august. Okay. Run through the fountain. Thats all we got. Right. Its just not worth it. Most cities do lose money. Theyre paying the debts off their olympic stadiums which often tend to sit empty afterwards for years. I remember the london olympics everyone thought it was going to be terrible. It was great. It was great. It does give a sense of city a natural pride. Its a moment where you feel good. I love boston. Lets get to the news. Were going to begin in libya on the rising threat from the everspreading Islamic State. The north africa country is asking United NationsSecurity Council to left an arms embargo so the country can fight isis after the militants beheaded 21 egyptian Coptic Christians in libya. New fierce this morning the lead executioner may be an american. As Nbcs Richard Engel reports the Italian Government is boosting security that italy could be if terror groups next target. Reporter isis is spreading like a virus and months of u. S. Led air strikes dont seem to be containing it. In libya isis has been showing
its strength. The group beheaded 21 egyptian christians. One of the executioners speaking in english with an american accent. Recently reporter egypt hit back with its own air strikes. Isis says italy will be next. Security is already been beefed up at st. Peters but the biggest advances and reportedly the worst atrocities have come where washington claims to be making the most progress in iraq, which is starting to look like a failed state. In the north, we saw firsthand last week how Kurdish Forces have been under attack near the city of erbil they turned back a major isis assault. Richard engel reporting. Lets talk about strategy for a second and then lets go to the white house summit. Lets talk about battle over tactics. I saw something from yesterday,
the lone survivor, you know the book lone survivor, talked about how he really believed that it would take a limited number of marines to go in there and clear isis out. He said right now they just they just its their playground. Its their terror of playground. And it wouldnt take that much to go in and make a big difference. I dont think thats the case. I dont either. But i havent been over in iraq, so i havent fought in iraq. But i find it hard the only that these guys in datsun trucks could control much territory, if we decided to go in. And were talking john mccain later on this morning who is talking about sending in troops and putting boots on the ground. I think the more americans see of this the more americans are going to say, all right, lets do what colin powell says. Throw everything we have at
them, kill them and come home in a couple of months. Mike . Again, its the cockroach theory. You stamp them out in aleppo and theyre going to recreate and reappear somewhere else. Right. Minute aby minute hour by hour. The problem now look it isis is a group im told and from everything weve read, is a group that depends solely on territory for its strength and they gobble up territory throughout the middle east. They are unlike al qaeda. Where they are now is within urban populations, largely in syria. House to house urban fighting in syria is not something that any american will be in favor of. You looked at what happened in kobani the town the kurds tried to take back. The town has been almost decimated in the center of it. Street to street, house to house fighting where the kurds lost a lot of people in the process. I think people think because we send in big numbers of americans that people are not going to die in the course of those street to
street battles, were kidding ourselves. John kerry has an oped in the wall street jerusalem today. He says that limb nating the terrorists by force today will not protect us from the terrorists of tomorrow. Thats very worth bearing in mind. We can wipe them out today in iraq, possibly even in syria. It doesnt guarantee in two or three years they dont come up again. Listen to what mike just said though and what the Atlantic Monthly writes about. Unlike other terror groups they depend on territory. You can take large swaths of territory, i would guess, away from them very quickly. Urban centers, no. But can you control pipelines that fund them that fund their terror outfit . Can you cut off access down the highways . Can you encircle some of these towns where they are . Yes, you can. I dont know. But what happens a year from now, are you still protect that pipeline . Are you still controlling that territory . Are we still putting in position the operations that will make
sure that syria is not a failed state and that has a government that protects them away from Islamic State . We set the United Nations up in 1945. When the hell is the United Nations going to step forward and do something of note other than hold meetings in new york city. Good luck. Good luck. But again this is a same argument that we made about iraq. How long do we stay in iraq . We left iraq precipitously and we have isis because of it. So the question is will other arab countries, and i think the answer now is yes, will jordan will the uae, will egypt, will saudi arabia provide other peacekeepers to look at those areas, to help the kurds . I think we have a much better chance now than we did three years ago. So at the white house, president obama is trying to get off the defensive by taking on criticizing his criticism for his administration for refusing to call islamic terrorists
islamic terrorists. He jumped into the debate during the second day of a summit on violent extremism. Mr. Obama urged political and religious leaders around the world to come together in effort to prevent young people from joining the Islamic State. And he defended his choice of rhetoric claiming isis is lying when they say the west is at war with islam to gain new muslim recruits. We must never accept the premise that they put forward because it is a lie, nor should we grant these terrorists the religious legitimacy that they seek. They are not religious leaders, theyre terrorists. And we are not at war with islam. We are at war with people who have perverted islam. No religion is responsible for terrorism. People are responsible for violence and terrorism. Meanwhile, press secretary
josh earnest was asked to explain why a white house statement did not identify the isis victims in libya as christians but did mention religion in the murder of three College Students in North Carolina. Why didnt you say 21 christians were killed . Well, ed i tried to be clear here. I cant account for that specific line in the statement, but weve been clear there that we condemn this murder. Is there North Carolina case, they were targeted because they were muslim . This is something because of a parking space. We dont know. Its a local Law Enforcement investigation, as you say. Why were their faith invoked in the president s statement . Ed i think its important for the president , in this case as he has in many others to articulate a pretty clear principle. I think its the kind of principle that the vast majority of americans should be able to support, which is that people should not regardless of their faith, be targeted because of what their last name is, what they look like or how they
worship. We dont know they were targeted because of their last name or faith. Ed i think thats acknowledged in the statement as well. And we have also acknowledged that this is an issue under investigation in North Carolina. John we have a poll out that 8 believe that its the top issue. What do you make of all of this . I showed the New York Post before, is this much ado about nothing or is this a resonance about that about a president that doesnt get the nature of the threat . I think its a little bit of much ado about nothing. I dont know if you discussed this on the show in the last couple of days but there was another president who refused to use this terminology, also george w. Bush there are reasons why. Complicated diplomatic reasons why the administration doesnt want to do this. Its not that they dont recognize this is where terrorists is coming from islamic a splinter of islam, but there are there is an
argument that theres radical there are radical islamists in the world who are not terrorists. Part of the problem in the region is that you need to have others who are radical who are radical part of radical islam and the only way you can describe them but dont believe in the tactics of terror. You need to have those people on your side as allies in the region. Thats why the Bush Administration explained, talked to people george w. Bush never used tra phrase. Quickly, mike. It gets down to what is the mosts a stron fish most astonishing tool to us . The media. Theyve done that effectively. Why give them what they want . They want the president of the United States this is purely about tactics. Whats the most effective tactic to keep the country safe. Lets move on to politics. Former Florida Governor jeb bush is beginning to layout hisForeign Policy view. Yesterday in chicago he tow adel indicate line trying to show hes his own man while talking about his brother and his fathers legacy. Msnbcs Political Correspondent kasie hunt reports. Im so proud of my brother. Reporter the last time there was a republican president not named bush george w. Bushs daughter fit on his shoulders. Jeb bush sounds like he wants to be next but hes grappling with how to be different. Starting with a Foreign Policy speech in chicago yesterday. I love my brother. I love my dad. But im my own man and my views are shaped by my own thinking and my own experiences. On my orders Coalition Forces have begin striking selected targets of military importance. Reporter george w. Bushs unpopular war in iraq helped elect president barack obama. There were mistakes made in iraq for sure using the intelligence capability that everybody embraced about weapons
of mass destruction was not turns out nobody to be accurate. Reporter now bushs campaign in waiting is signing up more than a dozen of his brothers advisers including Paul Wolfowitz. The region is in chaos and the Islamic State is concurring territory that americans fought and died to protect. Jeb bush blames president obama. My brothers administration through the surge which was one of the most heroic acts of courage politically that any president has done. Created a stability that when the new president came in he could have built on. Reporter in his speech yesterday bush talked tough but he didnt say whether he would support putting american boots on the ground to fight isis. Restrain them tighten the noose, and then taking them out is the strategy. Reporter on the whole, polls show republicans are willing to support bush. But Many Americans say his last name makes them less likely to vote for him. A lesser problem for hillary
clinton. When it comes to iraq she has a problem of her own. Her vote to give bush the authority to go to war in the first place. This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision ive ever had to make. Reporter seven years ago that decision helped president obama. But this time it could help jeb bush. We just have to start acting like it again. So the new bush cabinet would have no difficulty . Thats a 15yard penalty and loss of down. Wow. Kasie hunt joins us from chicago no. Lets just take a quick look at a new poll from cnn which asks which candidates represent the past and which represent the future. Look at joe biden and jeb bush at the bottom. Theyre both seen as creatures of the past by a 30point differential. We want to hit on a point you touched on in your piece, this diagram showing Foreign Policyadvisers and staff to reagan bush 41 bush 43 and jeb. Lot of overlap there. Almost all overlap. Its unbelievable. Almost all overlap. I will say that people close to bush point out that alums of the romney and mccain administrations were unavailable to consult with him. And they do this does fit overall with his sort of shock and awe formation of the campaign. This is really a list of a lot of republican establishment Foreign Policy heavyweights that seems in some ways over wheming to personally for other candidates. But i think if you listen closely to that speech while the headlines were the fact that he talked about how mistakes were made in iraq and he says hes his own man the vision