Or perhaps its time to seize the day. Dont just see opportunity, seize it applause no sleep to brooklyn its true that now that the spotlight is pretty bright here in new york some things have been said. Can you name one decision she made as senator that shows she favored banks because of the money she received . [ applause ] he can not come up with any example because there is no example. I stood up against the behaviors of the banks when i was a senator. I called them out on their mortgage behavior. Secretary clinton called them out. Oh, my goodness. They must have been really crushed by this. And was that before or after you received huge sums of money by giving speaking engagements . Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Thats not accurate. I have stood on the debate stage with senator sanders eight prior times. I have said the exact same thing senator, please. If we can do in the los angeles or new york or seattle, lets do it. I put it out excuse me, i think im responding. Please go ahead. I love being in brooklyn. This is great. Whoa. What a night in brooklyn last night. I think Bernie Sanders gave Hillary Clinton a run for her
speech money. The crowd loved him but they were going at it. It got rough and it was it stuck to the issues but they both went at each other and slightly personal. Lot of big political stories going on this morning, the New York Post endorsing donald trump. They say he electrified the public, inspired people whod given up on ever having a candidate that would fight for them. Thats the New York Post. Prosecutors in that case against corey lewandowski, remember the reporter Michelle Fields who claims she was assaulted and lots of women journalists signed a petition behind her because they felt something horrific had happened. Listen to what florida officials who were investigating the case say about what really happened. Well get to that. I think a lot of people were blinded by their hate for trump and that is finally come to pass. Sam, well have to talk. I was prepared for this. So weve got sam stein here. Good morning, everybody, its friday. April 15, joe will be here in just a little while. With us on set we have legendary columnist in and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. Thank you. Senior Political Editor and White House Correspondent for the Huffington Post, sam stein. Legendary. Mini legend. Managing editor of Bloomberg Politics and coherself of with all duty respect Mark Halperin. And Donny Deutsch. Can i get a nice word . No. Were going to get to the debate because it was insane, it was incredible, but muscle and fitness magazine . What . They did a spread on me. Its the truth. I kid you not. I swear to god. [ laughter ] what year did they do it in . We had a shoot the other day. Ew oh, no come on its 6 03 in the morning. Stop that what is that face youre making . You are so unselfaware. Im promoting mens health. Nobody wants to see that. Its a magazine. Nobody wants to see that. People havent had breakfast. Were promoting mens health. We need to get healthier in the country. Donny, thats not healthy. Dont be hating. Dont hate the player. Thats not healthy. Donnie is going to live forever. I just threw up a little bit. Im going to be trumps vice president. Who needs a border wall when you have that . Geez. You guys all watched this . It was like watching a chapter of the bickersons. The mutual contempt these two have for each other at this stage is off the charts. I agree that it was bernie east last stand and he had to go tough and he did but he made some good it will be very
difficult for her to navigate trying to keep his supporters if she continues on the winning streak she appears to be on. I dont know what his path is but, boy he pounded serious issues last night. If you were a hillary supporter, you loved what you heard and if you were a burny supporter there was not one vote that changed last night. I thought he would be weaker on Foreign Policy and weaker on some issues and there would be more of a difference between them. They both were tough. Just days ahead of the New York Primary, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders faced often in a fiery debate last night in brooklyn. Miles away from the center of the financial universe, the issue of wall street took center stage. Things got heated when senator Sanders Sanders was asked to name one decision secretary clinton made as senator that showed she favored the banks and clinton was asked why she wont release the transcripts of the paid speeches and put the issue
to rest. Look, there are certain expectations when you run for president. This is a new one and ive said if everybody agrees do it, because there are speeches for money on the other side, i know that. [ boos ] but i will tell you this, there is a long standing expectation that everybody running release their tax returns and you can go to my web site and see eight years of tax returns and ive released 30 years of tax returns and i think every candidate, including senator sanders and donald trump should do the same. Youre running for the democratic nomination. Right. And its your democratic opponent and many democratic voters who want to see those transcripts. Its not about the republicans. [ cheers and applause ] lets set the same standard
for everybody. When everybody does italy do it. But lets expect the same standard on tax returns. Everybody does it and then we move forward. So shell do it when ted cruz releases her speeches . That was that is just not you guys, come on. I just think im going say it again. This speech thing is so irrelevant. People give speeches, when youre in an audience you somehow engage that audience and say i love wall street. You do that . Thats what you do . If you gave a speech right now your raison detre is womens rights and all that stuff. If you gave a speech to a group of 500 men well, youd be screaming at them. Thats a bad example. But youd say im so happy to be with you guys thats just speech its such a nonissue. Thats not true. I was brought into talk about my book know your value to a
bunch of ceos and i believe a lot of them in the Banking Industry or whatever talking about how women navigate and i talked about how much i liked Elizabeth Warren and i got booed. Youre not going to find a different me in that room. Its not a different me. You frame a speech, its just grown up stuff. No, actually. She knew she was going to run for president and needed felt the need to make the money but let us see the speeches. Lets go to ring side. These two guys were at ring side last night. Mark halperin, your take. On the question of the speech transcripts, minimum wage, Social Security, she gave answers last night that Bernie Sanders if he were a skilled debater could take advantage of. Hes proven to be a great candidate building crowds, raising money, giving a speech that fires up a crowd, appealing and energizing young people. Hes not proven after nine contests to be a good debater. A skilled debater would have
taken advantage of many openings she left last night and she did. For instance . Her answer on Social Security was waffling. Her answer on whether she supported 15 minimum wage was waffling. Didnt pin her down. Better one. She asked him specifically to name one instance where she had been compromised by contributions and he notably failed to do it. But weve played a videotape of one of those instances on this show that involves Elizabeth Warren talking about a bankruptcy bill that Hillary Clinton did flip on, a skilled politician, to marks point, would have had them the back of his memory and put it out there in the moment. For some reason he whiffed on that. I think bernie had the better debate. He got at her on a number of fronts but i dont think it was the type of debate that moved the dial in a way to overcome the question. The audience was with him and she kept at it, she kept herself together and moving forward. Lets step back for a second
and the truth is if you look entirely at this campaign, no one would have had imagined bernie would be at this point when he launched his race a year ago. This is a remarkable achievement. He will come through new york. Hes not going away. Hes a skilled politician. But hes not skilled at this. I hear what youre saying but it was i watched the very end. I couldnt stop. It was pretty riveting and unlike what weve seen on the republican side you knew you were going to learn a lot about two these people two people are and where they stand on certain issues and maybe you might mold your opinion on why its important. Do we have more . Theres an argument about judgment versus qualifications . Lets look at that. Does secretary clinton have the experience and the intelligence to be a president . Of course she does. [ cheers and applause ] but i do question her judgment. A question a judgment which voted for the war in iraq. [ cheers and applause ] the worst Foreign Policy blunder in the history of this country. Voted for virtually every disastrous trade agreement which cost us millions of decentpaying jobs and i question her judgment about running super pacs which are collecting tens of millions of dollars from special interests, including 15 million from wall street. I dont believe that that is the kind of judgment we need to be the kind of president we need. Now that the spotlight is pretty bright here in new york, some things have been said and senator sanders did call me unqualified. Ive been called a lot of things in my life. That was the first. And then he did say he had to question my judgment. Well, the people of new york
voted for me twice to be their senator from new york. [ cheers and applause ] and president obama trusted my judgment enough to ask me to be secretary of state of the United States. I actually think a theme of it was hillary several times did the pragmatic thing. Youre very good, mr. Sanders about talking about the problems but we need grown up solutions. And every time it was lets let a half million prisoners out and well pay for them, well have the banks pay for colleges it was pie in the sky nonanswers. I thought his answers on education and how splomehow oth countries in the united statfig out. And in the United States theyre strapped with debt. But hes not giving one intelligible pragmatic solution. Is that true, Mark Halperin . Name a policy hes proposed
that much different than hers thats concrete and specific that youre confident he would enact as president. He has been a fantastic candidate for what he believes in in defining the problems and inspiring people to say we need change. But when the daily news Editorial Board was mentioned several times last night for a reason which is she can say it was perfect, it kicked off the new York Campaign and it said in effect i care a lot about change but i havent thought through specifics about how to make change. Even on my signature issues. Im not sure thats completely fear. There was a little more nuance to that daily news interview. The stuff on doddfrank, there are provisions in it that you can break up the big banks, you have to tell them how to get certain sizes and his position is let them decide. Front page of the New York Times yesterday, banks are still too big. Its not totally divorced in reality of legislation. The Bigger Picture is how much the Democratic Party has moved in the past 10, 20 years. 94 crime bill completely abandoned . What about the last eight months, how far hes pushed her to the left. And two years ago we were talking about a minimum wage legislation that would raise it to 10. 10. Were debating to whether to go to 12 or 15. So hes affected the party. Hes affected the tone and for better or worse depending on your perceptions but hes going affect the next presidency. I think hes found a way which i think is fascinating and important and the impact still remains to be seen but there will be one is how he has been able to on a number of issues intellectually connect with the voters. Emotionally thats my whole point. Its pure thats exactly my point and what mark was saying. I dont think he has the the intellectual argument would be heres how were going to pay for college for everyone, heres how we educate a half million prisoners. Not just we got a problem and
were going to do it. Hes going to increase the deficit by 15 trillion if you go on the math. Name one candidate on both sides right now who really talks about a certain issue whether its the problems or solutions where people go wild when they hear about that issue. Theyre not going wild thats emotion. Thats my point. Its emotion. Thats exactly they go wild but its right brain. Married to a president for years and is internationally known. Its literally the issues heres why i think its partly intellectual. Because his critique of whats wrong with america appeals to tens of millions of americans. The intellectual argument would have a solution to it. Intellectual critique, not a proposal. Okay, thats well put. Lets show the backandforth on Social Security because it led sanders once again labelling Hillary Clinton as part of the establishment. Take a look. Maybe im a little bit confused. Are you or are you not supporting legislation to lift the cap on taxable income and
extend Social Security for 58 years and increase benefits . Yes or no. I have said yes. We are going to pick the best way or combination. Or combination of ways. [ boos ] its always a little bit challenging because if senator sanders doesnt agree with how you are approaching something, then you are a member of the establishment. From a reader of the New York Daily News you are a member of the establishment. Let me ask the two of you, constant followers of this campaign, a question that i think a lot of people are interested in. On a scale of 110, the loathsome scale, 10 being bunsen burner hot. How much do these two candidates and their Campaign December spies one another at this point . I think its a little overstated when it comes to
candidates. The sanders supporters dont like her very much. Im struck every time i go to a sanders event. Oh, my god, yeah. Her supporters i dont think loathe him all that much. I think they will forgive each other pretty quickly but im not sure how much shed be willing to give up to get him to come her way. Theres a stubbornness there. But i dont think compared to those previous campaigns i dont think i was going to say that. If you remember the Obama Clinton loathing, that was far more intense than this. I do get an increasing sense that the clinton officials, the people in the campaign, find this to be going on a bit too long. Thats what her face is telling me. Are you freaking kidding me . That they would like to make that pivot and focus on the general election. But theyre realistic, he keeps winning. Whats going on . I think what happened was they looked at eight years ago where obama effectively used in the context of the campaign a math argument and said this is done, youll never catch up with me, i have the pledged delegate lead, lets get on with it. And the press by and large bought it and shes in an arguably better position in terms of pledged and this contest is still going on. Shes wondering why shes not being heres exactly why. Shes qualified. Shes got it all. Zhoek this job, everyone knows that and the question is do you want to go with that and go with what you know youre going to get, which is probably not a lot of change but not a lot of massive screw ups or do you want to go with someone who believes in what you believe the problems are and take a chance on that person . Everybody agrees on the problems. Why has there been an 11point shift in the last month against hillary towards bernie . Theres been a dramatic shift in women. Whats happening . Well, its not yuan form everywhere. Where are you seeing the shift . I just made it up. [ laughter ] senator sanders challenged clinton on minimum wage after she said she would sign a bill to raise it to 15 an hour. If a Democratic Congress put
a 15 minimum wage bill on your desk, would you sign it . Well, of course i would. [ cheers and applause ] and i have supported the fight for 15, i am proud to have the endorsement of most of the un n unions that have led the fight 1235r. I am sure a lot of people are very surprised to learn that you supported raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. [ cheers and applause ] wait a minute. Wait a minute. Thats not accurate. I have stood on the debate stage with senator sanders eight prior times. I have said the exact same thing. Senator, please if we can raise in the new york or los angeles or seattle lets do it. If youre both screaming at each other, the viewers wont be able to hear either of you. When this campaign began, i said that weve got to end this starvation minimum wage of 7. 25, raise it to 15. Secretary clinton said lets raise it to 12. Theres a difference. And by the way, what has happened is history has outpaced
secretary clinton because all over this country people are standing up and theyre saying 12 is not good enough, we need 15 an hour. Mark halperin, off your earlier comment about senator sanders deficiencies in his debating skills, what about that exchange . He she opened the door to these kind of answers and that was probably the one that was the most left to the most vulnerable. I think if donald trump face s Hillary Clinton in the general election and she gives answers like that he will be more effective as saying that is a business as usual answer, that answer makes no sense to an ordinary person, is she for 15 or 12 . And Bernie Sanders